BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference

[narch]

in all honesty, i have a bigger problem with a sport like lacrosse, and possibly even golf than i do with baseball...at least the monarchs have a legit chance to play their way in, with 6 remaining games (perhaps 7 if the b'water game that was postponed earlier is played - i haven't heard anything about that being a possibility, though)

gc lacrosse has no shot at getting in the ncaa tournament other than the conference tournament...i'm not sure how likely it is that any other golf team from the usasac gets an at-large bid (although it would be odd seeing a national tournament without gc)...i think everyone would agree that the pressure of performing with an entire season in the balance is part of what is special about conference tournaments...that 15-11 cnu lax win over gc earlier in the year was just for the #1 seed and regular season championship...

i commend the folks running the softball and tennis tournaments for having the foresight to make every effort to have a completed tournament (made easy for tennis with an indoor facility...too bad burlington doesn't have a domed baseball field )...too bad the others didn't do the same

p.s. - spence...what's up with the negative karma?  you must be a different person on the other boards...every time i give you a plus point, it seems 2 give you negatives

[Eh-You]

last i checked this was a double elimination tournament...or did i miss something?  double elimination means that you have to lose twice to be eliminated...

Well I think losing once is a little closer to losing twice than NOT LOSING is.

read my post from yesterday...my solution, for ALL of the tournaments that were cancelled, would be to play them today on the higher seeded teams home field (armstrong-shelley field will no question be playable today)...

You can't be serious - "Congrads MC, you got drug by Ferrum yesterday but you did win a tiebreaker to get the #1 seed and Ferrum hasn't lost in the tourney - but we'll play the championship round at your place" which leads nicely into the theory

please, share...what is the "Methodist conspiricy theory"...i'd love to hear this

Those of us who don't see everything with green and gold lenses tend to think that MC gets a little more respect (news releases, rankings, etc.) in the USA South b/c their location happens to be the same as the conference headquarters. I'll bet Tom didn't even get Rita a cup of coffee this morning.



Falcon - NCWC's chance came against Averett Thursday.

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

I am mad for every team that had to be told well because of mother nature,  You LOSE, Good luck next year. There are seniors that worked hard and have to miss out on chance to play for a title.  I can't imagine the teams affected how they can go about it.  Some of these teams have games until the NCAA tournament. 

As for Golf, I hope GC can still make it.  It is a rare sight then.  Narch do you know the selection criteria for Golf.  I heard it changed this year.  I am not really familar with college golf.

[Ralph Turner]

Please check out the Golf Handbook.

[Falcon2720]

Eh-You

AU happened to throw the USA south pitcher of the year against NCWC.
Shelton happened to go undefeated and throw a complete game 4 hitter against Ferrum a week early.

So I guess it was NCWC fault that they ran into the best pitcher in the conference.  I'm sure Shelton would have shut Ferrum down again if they met in the tournament. 

BTW

NCWC crushed Ferrum the second time they met in the tournament

[Eh-You]

Eh-You
I'm sure Shelton would have shut Ferrum down again if they met in the tournament. 

BTW

NCWC crushed Ferrum the second time they met in the tournament

I agree 100% about Shelton. Good point. I guess if NCWC would have defeated MC on Saturday that would have been much more unfortunate - I guess unfair. And I'm assuming you mean that NCWC crushed Averett not Ferrum.

[Falcon2720]

Eh-You

Sorry about that.  I did mean AU instead of Ferrum.

[narch]

we're going to have to agree to disagree on a number of issues, but the bottom line is this...ferrum is the usasac baseball champ, methodist is the golf champ and the cnu women are the lax champs because the conference won't allow tournament play beyond sunday and nothing was done to try to fit full tournaments in earlier in the week...it is what it is, like it or not

Those of us who don't see everything with green and gold lenses tend to think that MC gets a little more respect (news releases, rankings, etc.) in the USA South b/c their location happens to be the same as the conference headquarters.

this is a laugher...you know as well as i do that the conference has NOTHING to do with rankings...those things are voted on by the coaches and sid's, and to imply that the conference office location has anything to do with rankings is ignorant - if you know rita wiggs, i think that accusing her of special treatment for ANY conference school would be the last thing you would do...

as for press releases, could it be that the monarchs have teams that actually warrant the coverage?  other than cnu, there isn't an overall athletic department in the conference that has acheived what mu has, this year or any other - if baseball makes the ncaa tournament, that will make 7 monarch teams that participate in the ncaa's this year...there are probably schools in the conference that haven't had a TOTAL of 7 ncaa appearances in their history...should the conference sid ignore the press releases that the mu sid sends?  are you aware of situations where an sid from another conference school has had their press release ignored by the conference sid?

[Eh-You]

The whole reason this came up was because I said they squashed the conspiricy theory. I was saying that stuff jokingly - I'm not making any accusations. It sure did stir a heck of a response out of you though :-)

[narch]

I was saying that stuff jokingly

i agreed that your statement was laughable....it wasn't humorous, but it was laughable

I'm not making any accusations.

so when you said "those of us", you weren't including yourself?

and i don't appreciate being called a mule

[narch]

here is a wrap-up of the spring tournaments from the fayetteville observer...interesting to see coach austin's thoughts on the rain-out situation...also interesting to understand how difficult it will be for teams to make the national golf tournament with just 3 at-large bids...i actually think this will weaken the field

[Spence]

It will. Automatic bids weaken the field; the more, the worse. But it's what the presidents want so that they can win their crappy conferences and feign competitiveness.

What kind of revision of policy would he be thinking? If you're paying for the use of the field, you kind of have to have that budgeted in or get the money from somewhere to keep it an extra day.

You could have the tournament at campus sites, but with a 7 team tournament you've got another set of problems there, plus if Greensboro were to win the league you'd be right back where you started.

Not that easy. I guess the best solution would be to just budget for an extra day from the start and then be happy if you don't have to use it and carry it over to the next year or something. But then that would be cutting something else for something that is probably fairly unlikely to happen.

[Ralph Turner]

here is a wrap-up of the spring tournaments from the fayetteville observer...interesting to see coach austin's thoughts on the rain-out situation...also interesting to understand how difficult it will be for teams to make the national golf tournament with just 3 at-large bids...i actually think this will weaken the field

But a quick count of D3 schools sponsoring Men's golf shows that it increased from about 255 to about 275 from 2004 to 2007 with the knowledge by the Presidents that conference AQ's would get a bid.

More opportunity.

As for the field, we in the South can smugly bemoan all of the golf teams in basketball land getting "undeserved" golf AQs when good Southern golf teams are staying home!   

[Falcon2720]

Spence,

If they did not use the field on Sunday, why would they have to pay for it.  The way I see it, if a day is cancelled and you play the next day, it should not cost you any extra money.

Other than possible hotel expenses and meal money it should not be much extra money.  Methodist and Ferrum are both an hour and a half away and.  They could take a bus and save hotel money if they wanted

Anyway, it not like the Burlington Royals are using it any time soon.

[Falcon2720]

It looks like Methodist turned Sunday 4/22 game against Lynchburg into a double-header.