BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference

[NCWC]

Show the tiebreaker that put methodist at #1, Ferrum #2, and NCWC #3.  If they cancelled the tournament it should revert back to methodist as the auto. seed.  Here is another conspiracy theory...how did ncwc get averett first round (the only team that swept ncwc), tiebreaker? They should eliminate the last place team from the regular season from the tournament. Should be no bye.

[Falcon2720]

NCWC

If GC was eliminated from the tournament since they finished in last place it would be 1 vs 6
2 vs. 5
3 vs. 4
NCWC would still have to play AU in the first round.

I personally like the play in game format of the 2005 tournament.  The 6 and 7 seed would play a game with the loser being eliminated

[allsky7]

     I have been following the conver somewhat loosely about the USA South baseball tourn. I may not have all the details straight but it seems to me that anything short of a hurricane or some extreme event, the finals should be played. I am a Ferrum alum and am tickled they are in the NCAA tourn but can certainly understand MC being upset about not having the opportunity to play. Ferrum was in the drivers seat for sure but MC winning two is certainly within the realm of possibility too. Maybe there are logistics involved here that I don't understand but do they not have some built in margin for rain?  

[Spence]

Spence,

If they did not use the field on Sunday, why would they have to pay for it.  The way I see it, if a day is cancelled and you play the next day, it should not cost you any extra money.

Other than possible hotel expenses and meal money it should not be much extra money.  Methodist and Ferrum are both an hour and a half away and.  They could take a bus and save hotel money if they wanted

Anyway, it not like the Burlington Royals are using it any time soon.

OK well I'm now very confused. I suspected that Averett's academic calendar might have had something to do with this, but it doesn't, at least not anymore. It used to be cited as the primary reason this was the first tournament in the country. Now their graduation weekend isn't until the first of May.

As for your point about not using the field Sunday, they still had reservations on it. I don't know the details of the agreement, though.

Obviously another factor is the desire to get students back in class Monday.

You can't make up rules on the spot, so the proximity of Fayetteville and Ferrum are irrelevant, not to mention that you are hauling some major booty if you get from Methodist to Burlington in 90 mins, especially in a bus. It's 120 miles by interstate, probably shorter going up 87 but maybe not quicker.

But you would have to think in terms of if Shenandoah and Christopher Newport were in the championship because you don't know at the beginning of the year who's going to be in it.

[Pat Coleman]

It would seem that with four weeks until playoff selections that it should be possible to find another neutral site somewhere to play a final game or two if weather prevents the games from being played on the weekend scheduled.

[Spence]

IMO you can't do that if there's no provision for it already in place.

And if they didn't meet on the first available day, then you totally change the dynamic of tournament baseball.

[h-sc bball]

Just received the call from my son...Methodist defeated H-SC 9-6..the score was 6-6 heading into the 7th and Methodist benefited from 11 walks and puts some hits together and put it away in the 8th and 9th...I'll follow up with more details on the ODAC forum once I receive them....B Ward started and pitched 5 and West and Toledano finshed.

[Falcon2720]

Spence,

Ferrum had a game on Monday at E&H at 3:00 before it was called off due to snow. Ferrum is 2 1/2 hours away.  I sure they were worried about missing class

[Spence]

Look, no need to get all wisecracky about it.

It's done, over. No conference in the world is going to make up rules on the spot that weren't in place at the beginning of the season.

I see Ferrum's still beefing up the non-conference schedule with the heavyweights of the Appalachian Mountain chain.

[Falcon2720]

Spence,

You asked about what policy revisions Tom Austin could be talking about.
All I was trying to point out is that it would not be that hard to change policy and to make up the games.  They need to due something just in case this situation occurs in the future.

[SU97]

I am mad for every team that had to be told well because of mother nature,  You LOSE, Good luck next year. There are seniors that worked hard and have to miss out on chance to play for a title.  I can't imagine the teams affected how they can go about it.  Some of these teams have games until the NCAA tournament. 

As for Golf, I hope GC can still make it.  It is a rare sight then.  Narch do you know the selection criteria for Golf.  I heard it changed this year.  I am not really familar with college golf.

Not to beat a dead horse here, but I agree that these tourney championship games should have been played (or at least the conf. should consider making adjustments to the rules to allow for this option in the future).   For what it's worth GC Lax, MU Baseball and GC golf got hosed...  just a couple of thoughts from Winchester.

[narch]

mu/hsc game story and box...1 down, 6 to go

[narch]

Show the tiebreaker that put methodist at #1, Ferrum #2, and NCWC #3.  If they cancelled the tournament it should revert back to methodist as the auto. seed.  Here is another conspiracy theory...how did ncwc get averett first round (the only team that swept ncwc), tiebreaker? They should eliminate the last place team from the regular season from the tournament. Should be no bye.

here ya go

here's how the tie-break worked out

mu, fc and ncwc were all 2-2 vs. the other teams tied for 1st, so there was no breaking the tie with head-to-head among the 3 teams

au and cnu were tied for 2nd, and head-to-head records were compared
ncwc went 1-3 vs. cnu & au
fc went 2-2 vs. cnu & au
mu went 3-1 vs. cnu & au

mu #1 seed, fc #2 seed, ncwc #3 seed

au and cnu were seeded according to their records against the top 3 (since they were 1-1 vs. each other) - au was 4-2 vs. ncwc/fc/mu while cnu was 2-4

au #4 seed, cnu #5 seed

su is #6 because they were 5-7 in conference and gc is #7 because they were 4-8 in conference

easy enough?  no conspiracy needed, just simple understanding of standard tie-breaking procedures

[George Foster]

NC Wesleyan went 2-2 versus Averett and Christopher Newport.

[Spence]

Spence,

You asked about what policy revisions Tom Austin could be talking about.
All I was trying to point out is that it would not be that hard to change policy and to make up the games.  They need to due something just in case this situation occurs in the future.

No, all you're doing is trying to poke holes in the possibilities I offer for why things were the way they were. I never said they were reasons why they couldn't be changed. but the people who claimthat Ferrum and Methodist should be allowed ot just meet somewhere and finish it are off their rockers. You can't just make up rules like that. And my post was trying to explain the reasoning for why this rule might have been the way it was, and you bring up something that is not at all related. Whether Ferrum plays a road game during the week is immaterial. Players would have already missed Thursday and Friday for the tournament, and I'm guessing that the prospect ofthem missing Monday as well was at least in the thought process.