BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference

[NCWC]

i think  langrange, hunt., and piedmont would be to far, football would be fine but not baseball, usas could trade shenadoah for a team to be named later (vwc)

Why not absorb the GSAC?  For baseball this would be a 10 team league.

Would it strengthen the overall play of the conference?  Or would it just add more teams?   

[Jim Dixon]

i think  langrange, hunt., and piedmont would be to far, football would be fine but not baseball, usas could trade shenadoah for a team to be named later (vwc)

Why not absorb the GSAC?  For baseball this would be a 10 team league.

Would it strengthen the overall play of the conference?  Or would it just add more teams?   

I think it would strengthen the play.  The GSAC has always had a fair number of good players.  The benefit to the GSAC would be access to an automatic bid.

The teams were a combined 96-75 last year.  Only Piedmont (19 -23) had a losing record

[NCWC]

what would be the benefit to the baseball teams in the usas?

why does the USAS have an auto bid but not the GSAC?

It also seems like it would be more of a  financial burden to  those GSAC schools compared to the USAS schools throughout the course of the season.

I have always felt d1 football for the greater good of the ncaa should have a playoff like 1aa, d2, d3.  And I think d3 baseball should follow the d1 format, super regional's

[Jim Dixon]

what would be the benefit to the baseball teams in the usas?

why does the USAS have an auto bid but not the GSAC?

If Shenandoah leaves, it leaves the USAS with 6 teams.  A conference needs 7 teams to get an automatic bid (pool A).  The USAS is stong enough that it might get more bids as a Pool B conference (see how well the CAC has done in the past) but the main benefit is that the USAS will maintain their automatic bid.

To state the obvious, the GSAC, with four teams, has no pool A bid.

[Ralph Turner]

sometines, Pool b can be fickle.

The Northwest Conference, two of whose members have won Stagg Bowls in the last decade, did not get a Pool b bid this year.

I think that Shenandoah's leaving is only a matter of time.

Moving to a 10-team USA South is a wise choice, IMHO.

[NCWC]

If it went into action tomorrow, how long do you think it would take for the merger to actually happen.

[Ralph Turner]

If it went into action tomorrow, how long do you think it would take for the merger to actually happen.

Shenandoah is on hold by the ODAC.  I think that the ODAC is awaiting the Future of D-III "stuff" that is voted in January 2008 and then studied in 2008 for a final vote in January 2009.  We have probably seen the delay of any actions by the ODAC until Spring 2009.  Shenandoah might not get any traction until Fall 2009, unless the ODAC needed Shenandoah to help swing the D-III/D-IV decision one way or another.  We might be Fall 2011 before Shenandoah competes for the ODAC.

Huntingdon and LaGrange are committed to the SLIAC for football, and the SLIAC will get a Pool A bid in 2010.  I would not want to commit to that adminstrative effort for anything less than a 4-year commitment from HC and LG, thru the Fall of 2011 as I see it.  The presidents could consider permitting Shenandoah leave to the ODAC, keeping Murvul in football and permitting HC and LG to fulfill their contract to the SLIAC.  The USASouth would still have 7 football members and would be loaning HC and LG to the SLIAC.  Comparative mileages and comparative conference strengths might just allow the Presidents to leave the schools where they are in football.

If HC and LG are winning more football games in the SLIAC than they likely would in the USASouth,

and CNU stays put in the USASouth, instead of going to the football-playing Capital,

and the USASouth presidents in VA and NC can get 10 games without driving to LG or HC for a conference game,

then we might see HC and LG competing in the SLIAC, while the 7-member USASouth rolls along as is.

The remainder of the GSAC fits nicely as the Southern Division for the USA South in all other sports.  Getting access to the playoffs thru the USASAC is a plus for any AL, TN or GA team that wants to move to D-3.

I see the decisions about USA South membership being driven by the "Mid-Atlantic Shuffle".  There is a whole 'nother Daily Dose or two on that topic.  (Please remember that a conference has 2 years to get back to 7 teams to keep the AQ.)

[hokieone]

Hasn't the NCAA put a freeze on any further schools moving to D I and adding any additional schools to NCAA D III?   

[Spence]

If it went into action tomorrow, how long do you think it would take for the merger to actually happen.

Shenandoah is on hold by the ODAC.  I think that the ODAC is awaiting the Future of D-III "stuff" that is voted in January 2008 and then studied in 2008 for a final vote in January 2009.  We have probably seen the delay of any actions by the ODAC until Spring 2009.  Shenandoah might not get any traction until Fall 2009, unless the ODAC needed Shenandoah to help swing the D-III/D-IV decision one way or another.  We might be Fall 2011 before Shenandoah competes for the ODAC.

Huntingdon and LaGrange are committed to the SLIAC for football, and the SLIAC will get a Pool A bid in 2010.  I would not want to commit to that adminstrative effort for anything less than a 4-year commitment from HC and LG, thru the Fall of 2011 as I see it.  The presidents could consider permitting Shenandoah leave to the ODAC, keeping Murvul in football and permitting HC and LG to fulfill their contract to the SLIAC.  The USASouth would still have 7 football members and would be loaning HC and LG to the SLIAC.  Comparative mileages and comparative conference strengths might just allow the Presidents to leave the schools where they are in football.

If HC and LG are winning more football games in the SLIAC than they likely would in the USASouth,

and CNU stays put in the USASouth, instead of going to the football-playing Capital,

and the USASouth presidents in VA and NC can get 10 games without driving to LG or HC for a conference game,

then we might see HC and LG competing in the SLIAC, while the 7-member USASouth rolls along as is.

The remainder of the GSAC fits nicely as the Southern Division for the USA South in all other sports.  Getting access to the playoffs thru the USASAC is a plus for any AL, TN or GA team that wants to move to D-3.

I see the decisions about USA South membership being driven by the "Mid-Atlantic Shuffle".  There is a whole 'nother Daily Dose or two on that topic.  (Please remember that a conference has 2 years to get back to 7 teams to keep the AQ.)

If Huntingdon and LaGrange can get in an all-sports conference situation, why would they stay in the SLIAC? I can't see that fit working for all sports.

I'm wondering if we're not getting close to seeing a "Deep South" conference. Some combination of the current GSAC, Birmingham Southern, Sewanee, Oglethorpe, Emory, Maryville. Obviously not all of them will work and which ones might end up getting together is hard to say, but I see it as not really making sense that they all go here, there and everywhere.

If the D-III/IV issue ends up resolving as I think it will, I think D-II schools will see the more competitive division (whatever number it's given) as attractive relative to what they doing now (paying scholarships). It may all but finish NAIA. It's in the interest of Division III IMO to have conference choices available for southern D-II schools that might consider a switch.

It wouldn't be good for athletes looking for a free ride to school off their skills, but it would be great for institutions that currently pay people to play sports for them to have people paying for the privilege instead.

[Ralph Turner]

Hasn't the NCAA put a freeze on any further schools moving to D I and adding any additional schools to NCAA D III?   

Yes, the D-III Moratorium is scheduled to expire after the convention in Jan08.

With respect to the SCAC and the other conferences in the south, I think that the SCAC is about as close to set as it can be.  Those schools are members of the Associated Colleges of the South.

[NCWC]

The USAS should look for another baseball team even if shenadoah does or doesn't leave


Ben Moore and Kyle Robertson will be named in the Mitchell report

[NCWC]

Has there been any transfers in the USAS this year?  Wesleyan lost a pretty solid 3b in tyler goarck, who transferred back home to pacific lutheran.  And from what I have heard they also lost Luke Williford to ECU.


2008 NCWC Schedule

February
6 Wed. at Mount Olive College 2:00 p.m. Mt. Olive, NC
9 SAT. EASTERN MENNONITE (DH) 11:00 A.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
10 SUN. EASTERN MENNONITE 2:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
12 Tues. at Univ. of Mary Washington 3:00 p.m. Fredericksburg, VA
15 FRI. LYNCHBURG COLLEGE 2:30 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
16 SAT. PIEDMONT COLLEGE 1:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
17 SUN. PIEDMONT COLLEGE 1:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
22 FRI. CORTLAND STATE 3:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
23 SAT. SUNY OLD WESTBURY (DH) 11:00 A.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
24 SUN. SUNY OLD WESTBURY 12:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
27 WED. CAPITAL UNIVERSITY 3:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
28 THURS. CAPITAL UNIVERSITY 3:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
March
1 Sat. * at Christopher Newport Univ. 10:00 a.m. Newport News, VA
1 Sat. at CNU vs. Ramapo 2:00 p.m. Newport News, VA
2 Sun. * at Christopher Newport Univ. 1:00 p.m. Newport News, VA
3 Mon. at Virginia Wesleyan College 3:00 p.m. Virginia Beach, VA
7 Fri. at Lynchburg College (DH) 12:00 p.m. Lynchburg, VA
8 Sat. * at Greensboro College 1:00 p.m. Greensboro, NC
9 Sun. * at Greensboro College 1:00 p.m. Greensboro, NC
11 TUES. HAMPDEN-SYDNEY COLLEGE 3:30 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
15 SAT. * METHODIST UNIVERSITY 1:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
16 SUN. * METHODIST UNIVERSITY 2:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
18 TUES. VIRGINIA WESLEYAN COLLEGE 3:30 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
20 THURS. TUFTS UNIVERSITY 3:30 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
21 FRI. * FERRUM COLLEGE 3:30 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
22 SAT. * FERRUM COLLEGE 1:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
24 Mon. at Hampden-Sydney College 3:30 p.m. Hampden-Sydney, VA
29 Sat. * at Averett University 1:00 p.m. Danville, VA
30 Sun. * at Averett University 1:00 p.m. Danville, VA
April
1 TUES. LAGRANGE COLLEGE 4:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
2 WED. LAGRANGE COLLEGE 4:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
3 Thurs. at Bridgewater College 4:00 p.m. Bridgewater, VA
5 SAT. * SHENANDOAH UNIVERSITY 1:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
6 SUN. * SHENANDOAH UNIVERSITY 2:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
13 Sun. at York University 1:00 p.m. York, PA
17-20 Th.-Sun. at USA South Conference Tournament TBA Burlington, NC
May
3 SAT. UNIV. OF MARY WASHINGTON 3:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
 
Bold and ALLCAPS denotes home contest
* USA South Conference Game


24 home games and 15 away

[Catfishncwc]

Has there been any transfers in the USAS this year?  Wesleyan lost a pretty solid 3b in tyler goarck, who transferred back home to pacific lutheran.  And from what I have heard they also lost Luke Williford to ECU.

I am not sure if Luke went to ECU, but he is not on the 2008 Roster. 

[NCWC]

Im about 100 percent sure he went to ECU in the fall, as far as baseball I wouldnt be suprised to see him back at wesleyan in the spring.

[NCWC]

im goin to go out on a limb and say ncwc will have the best bats in the usas and averett will have the best pitching staff...