NE Region General Questions

[GC Oldtimer]

Just released...

Northeast Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Williams 17-0 19-1
2. MIT 17-1 18-2
3. Colby 13-1 15-2
4. Middlebury 13-2 17-2
5. Brandeis 14-3 14-3
6. Bridgewater State 12-3 13-5
7. Gordon 14-3 15-3
8. Western Conn. St. 12-4 13-4
9. Mass.-Dartmouth 13-6 13-6
10. Rhode Island College 13-6 13-6
11. Eastern Connecticut State 13-6 13-6

Lots to talk about here, I'm sure...

[Hugenerd]

Just released...

Northeast Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Williams 17-0 19-1
2. MIT 17-1 18-2
3. Colby 13-1 15-2
4. Middlebury 13-2 17-2
5. Brandeis 14-3 14-3
6. Bridgewater State 12-3 13-5
7. Gordon 14-3 15-3
8. Western Conn. St. 12-4 13-4
9. Mass.-Dartmouth 13-6 13-6
10. Rhode Island College 13-6 13-6
11. Eastern Connecticut State 13-6 13-6

Lots to talk about here, I'm sure...

This was released yesterday, look on page 4 of this thread.

[GC Oldtimer]

My bad

[Hugenerd]

According to the national top 25, here is how the northeast looks, same format as last week:

1. Williams (2, 586, +15)
2. Middlebury (7, 432, +41)
3. MIT (11, 370, +22)
4. Brandeis (21, 98, -98)
5. Colby (ORV 32, 6, -38)
6. Bridgewater (ORV 37, 3,  +3)
7. Gordon (ORV 38, 2, +2)
    West Conn (ORV 38, 2, +2)

Late posting this update this week.  All 3 new NE ORV teams have already lost this week.  Colby is almost out after their two losses by large margins to the top two NESCAC teams.  MIT and Middlebury each move up a spot, while Brandeis loses half their points with their loss to CWRU last week.

[Pat Coleman]

Those are from last week. Here's this week:

http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2010/02/10/2010-regional-rankings-week-2/

[scout]

Gordon lost to up and down Colby-Sawyer last night. I'm curious what this will do to their Regional Ranking.

They will lose their two lone votes in the Top 25, but I'm still interested in their Pool C chances.

Most likely, they won't run the table the rest of the way... but what if they did and made it to the conference tourney. Let's say they lose the game by 3 and it was close the whole way.

Do they have a Pool C shot? That would put them at 24-5 including the conference tourney (I think). Certainly nothing to sneeze at, but just wondering what the chance would be.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Sorry I messed that up.  The link said week 2 rankings then I didn't double check on the page.  Inexcusable.

[Hugenerd]

Here are this week's:

Northeast Region	In-Region Record	Overall Record
1. Williams	19-0	21-1
2. MIT	18-1	19-2
3. Middlebury	15-2	19-2
4. Bridgewater State	14-3	15-5
5. Colby	14-3	16-4
6. Brandeis	15-4	15-4
7. Western Connecticut State	15-4	16-4
8. Mass.-Dartmouth	15-6	15-6
9. Albertus Magnus	17-3	17-4
10. Gordon	16-3	17-3
11. WPI	14-5	15-5
Note that games are through Feb. 6, so it does not take into account results from this week (Bridgewater, West Conn., Albertus and Gordon have all lost already).

[Hugenerd]

It is interesting that Brandeis is still stuck behind Colby.  It will be interesting what happens at the end of the seaosn, with Colby likely picking up another loss in the NESCAC tourney.  Brandeis will likely also drop at least another game, as they have a pretty tough schedule.  If Brandeis wins out, it would definitely put them ahead of Colby, but if they drop a game or two and are stuck behind Colby in the Pool C discussion, that could seriously hurt their chances at an at-large bid.

With WPI being ranked this week, MIT now has 3 wins against regionally ranked teams (they are 3-0), the most of any team ranked.  In the Top 3, Williams has 2 (2-0) and Midd has 1 (1-1). 

Something else that is interesting (at least to me), is that Wheaton (MA) has 3 wins against unique ranked opponents (MIT, Bridgewater, and WPI), despite only having 7 wins overall.  They have had a lot of injuries this year and are better than their record suggests when they have their entire team.  Their best player has been out much of the year.

[pjunito]

Does anyone know how many at-large bids are available in the Northeast region?

[Mr. Ypsi]

Does anyone know how many at-large bids are available in the Northeast region?

No, because they are not allotted by region.  Teams compete for at large berths nationally (but based on in-region criteria - which is absurd).

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Does anyone know how many at-large bids are available in the Northeast region?

It's not done by region.  Once all the conference tournaments are out of the way and the automatic qualifiers are selected.  The committee selects Pool B teams (teams without an automatic bid available to them).  Once this process is done, the at-large teams are selected (Pool C).

The way this is done is that each regional committee submits a final regional ranking, like the one's we see every Wednesday.  There's rumor that the final ranking will be public this year, but we'll have to wait and see. These rankings go to the national committee (I believe comprised of the chairs of each regional committee).

They take the rankings and remove every team that has already qualified for the tournament.  Then they consider the top team left in each region together as a group.

They choose the team most worthy of those eight and give them a Pool C bid.  Then the next team on the list from that region joins the table and those eight are considered.

They continue this process until all Pool C bids are filled.

What this means is that no region is guaranteed any at-large selections.  Teams are chosen nationally, using regional criteria.  It's why the NE region has the advantage of having so many bad teams with good records which the better teams can use to pad their records.

The number of spots available for the NE region will depend greatly on upsets in conference tournaments around the country.  Teams with questionable records need to root for the top seeds.

[pjunito]

Thanks!! That was very informative.

[Hugenerd]

According to the national top 25, here is how the northeast looks, same format as last week:

1. Williams (2, 603, +17)
2. Middlebury (6, 449, +17)
3. MIT (11, 370, +8)
4. Brandeis (ORV 26, 45, -43)
5. Gordon (ORV 33, 4, +2)


Only 3 ranked teams and only 5 receiving votes this week.  No real big gainers.  Williams, Midd, and MIT all with modest gains in votes.  Brandeis loses half their votes to drop out of the poll after a loss to the #1 team in the country?!?

[Hugenerd]

According to the national top 25, here is how the northeast looks, same format as last week:

1. Williams (2, 605, +2)
2. Middlebury (6, 479, +30)
3. MIT (13, 13, -57)
4. Gordon (ORV 31, 10, +6)
5. Brandeis (ORV 33, 5, -40)
6. Colby (ORV 37, 2, +2)