NE Region General Questions

[lildave678]

Too many numbers, not enough eye balls for the regional rankings. How can the 6th team in a national poll be 10th in their own region?

(I'm talking/typing out loud. I know WHY, it's just dumb )

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Too many numbers, not enough eye balls for the regional rankings. How can the 6th team in a national poll be 10th in their own region?

(I'm talking/typing out loud. I know WHY, it's just dumb )

There are no eye balls.  It's designed that way.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Because the national pollsters use whatever criteria they want... and the NCAA committees use specific criteria.

A couple of items per AMC that should be known:
- Their SOS is pretty low
- Their only game of significance (due to bad luck with a couple of other teams) is a loss
- Their conference isn't helping them
- Their vRRO (starting next week) isn't going to help them either
- If they continue to win, they will move up the rankings (because you know a number of the teams ahead of them are going to lose)
- Mitch Oliver is on the Northeast RAC - while he can't take part in discussions about his team... he probably understands what is going on.

I honestly think AMC will move into the Top 5, as long as they keep winning, but the end of the three weeks of rankings - they may be starting a little low, but better to be low and move up then to try and readjust a maybe too lofty a ranking.

Also keep in mind, the rankings are reset each week. Where a team was in the first week has no bearing on where they will be next week. The committees will take a fresh look at everyone and that will only benefit AMC if they keep winning.

[Ferraro13]

Do you think thru are the 10th best team in New England Dave?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

That doesn't matter... and isn't part of the criteria... that is the key here. You have to go by the criteria and what I "think" isn't part of that. They have to do something to improve their SOS and we have been saying it for years.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Just looked up the NE Region Committee - Oliver from Albertus Magnus and Bartley from WPI are both on the committee.  I doubt a coach can stay in the room while their team is being evaluated, but I'm guessing both teams got all the support possible.  It's a numbers game and it went pretty much as it should.

[Ferraro13]

Criteria sucks, Albertus will do what they have to do in March

[lildave678]

What were we last season in the last visible rankings, 8th? Do you really think we'll move up to top 5?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

No... can't participate in the call when your team is being discussed. Doesn't mean you can't vote later... but you can't discuss (lobby).

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

What were we last season in the last visible rankings, 8th? Do you really think we'll move up to top 5?

Keep winning with the fact those above you lose... yes.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Just for comparison - Husson, Lasell, Curry, Elms, Regis, Mitchell, Salem, and Westfield all managed SOS numbers above .500 despite being in weaker conferences.  In all fairness, Albertus did have some better teams scheduled who didn't pan out, but if the school isn't willing to travel (and a lot of small new england schools aren't), then they just have to prove it on the floor.

If they win out, even if they lose in the GNAC final, I think they're still going to get in.  There are more rankings to come and they'll move up if  they keep winning.

[lildave678]

I'm sure this has been asked a bajillion times before but you seem active at the moment Dave haha, has their been discussion of including the Top 25 AT ALL in determining the bracket/Pool C? I get why they don't want "eye balls" in the discussion. The way D3 is constructed you simply don't see enough, if any of every team. But it's not like the national pollsters are a bunch of random schmucks. They were given a vote for a reason (though I know, not FROM the NCAA directly).

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Top 25 is not part of the criteria - of course they are aware of it - but even in D1 the Top 25 has no bearing on the NCAA criteria. In fact, not one NCAA championship in any sport in any division has a Top 25 as criteria (though, something tells me there is something in D2 where it does play a roll).

[lildave678]

Yeah you're right...I just know in D1 it's rare that a top 25 team misses the tournament whereas the reality seems much more possible in D3, I guess that's more of what I'm getting at. I know it's happened recently to Utah State and a couple MVC teams though.

I guess the Missouri Valley is the GNAC

[D3HoopJunkie]

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