NE Region General Questions

[D3ball1845]

http://www.ecacsports.com/documents/2017/2/17//2017_Men_s_Basketball_Declared_Teams5.pdf

These were the declared teams posted as of today on the ECAC site. To access the actual site just google 'ECAC mens basketball' and select the first link. Click on the 'Championships' headline and you should be able to figure it out from there. Doesn't look like the Northeast has received many bids this year.

[WPI89]

Yikes - thanks guys

[AllStar]

http://www.ecacsports.com/documents/2017/2/17//2017_Men_s_Basketball_Declared_Teams5.pdf

These were the declared teams posted as of today on the ECAC site. To access the actual site just google 'ECAC mens basketball' and select the first link. Click on the 'Championships' headline and you should be able to figure it out from there. Doesn't look like the Northeast has received many bids this year.

Yes, so only two teams even put their name in.  Husson won the NAC, so they aren't in.  The ECAC has obviously declined significantly in popularity.

[AllStar]

Yikes - thanks guys

I'm sorry that WPI didn't get in...but hopefully next year they can get back in.  It's very odd to not see them in the field.

[D3ball1845]

Would've been good to see some good non-conference games in this tourney. I was hoping that Roger Williams was going to put in a bid, but it seems like this tournament has lost essentially all its appeal in the NE.

[WPI89]

Yeah its funny - seems to me NE is so much deeper than 10 years ago - when the ECAC was quite popular.  I could put together 4 very interesting games with teams left out of the big tourney that would be fun to watch.  Oh well - there is always next year.  Clearly WPI was outside looking in this year - but their women's team got robbed I believe.  They had a great year.

Hopefully Bartley and crew have a great class coming in next year and can get the 20-win streak started up again.  Good luck to all New England teams in the big dance!

Looking forward to Keene St v Amherst, MIT vs. Eastern, and potentially Wes vs Magnus.

[AllStar]

Yeah its funny - seems to me NE is so much deeper than 10 years ago - when the ECAC was quite popular.  I could put together 4 very interesting games with teams left out of the big tourney that would be fun to watch.  Oh well - there is always next year.  Clearly WPI was outside looking in this year - but their women's team got robbed I believe.  They had a great year.

Hopefully Bartley and crew have a great class coming in next year and can get the 20-win streak started up again.  Good luck to all New England teams in the big dance!

Looking forward to Keene St v Amherst, MIT vs. Eastern, and potentially Wes vs Magnus.

Well at least you can still root for a WPI grad in the tournament.   

[D3ball1845]

Still baffled how Keene State got in....I guess the SOS really helped them out.

[AllStar]

Still baffled how Keene State got in....I guess the SOS really helped them out.

Endicott got in too (was #10 in last regional ranking), so I guess the line was drawn between 10 and 11 in the region, as UMass-Dartmouth did not get in.

[WPI89]

Thank goodness for Amherst's (deserved) reputation - I thought they may be a big ole block at 7 in the NE rankings.

[D3ball1845]

I understand that Endicott was ranked behind them and that it appeared that the committee just took the top 10 from the NE. I think the fact that Keene State was ranked regionally is just as baffling. I understand that their conference is viewed as stronger than the CCC but I have made comparisons in the past with teams such as Roger Williams to make my case. I'm a bit biased as a RWU fan and certainly do not think they deserved a bid with their disappointing end of the season.

Comparatively, Keene State was below .680 WP, with a .576 SOS, in a questionable 2 bid conference, and was 3-4 vRRO. I won't dive in to the common opponents faced by both teams, in which the record heavily favors RWU. Then there is RWU who was .730 WP, a few points below .500 SOS, in a historically one bid conference, and 2-1 vRRO. Hence, my comment about how much pull the SOS must have had in the selection process this year. Again, this isn't me complaining that RWU wasn't selected, rather an attempt to demonstrate why I'm confused why Keene State was selected regionally and for the NCAAs.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I understand that Endicott was ranked behind them and that it appeared that the committee just took the top 10 from the NE. I think the fact that Keene State was ranked regionally is just as baffling. I understand that their conference is viewed as stronger than the CCC but I have made comparisons in the past with teams such as Roger Williams to make my case. I'm a bit biased as a RWU fan and certainly do not think they deserved a bid with their disappointing end of the season.

Comparatively, Keene State was below .680 WP, with a .576 SOS, in a questionable 2 bid conference, and was 3-4 vRRO. I won't dive in to the common opponents faced by both teams, in which the record heavily favors RWU. Then there is RWU who was .730 WP, a few points below .500 SOS, in a historically one bid conference, and 2-1 vRRO. Hence, my comment about how much pull the SOS must have had in the selection process this year. Again, this isn't me complaining that RWU wasn't selected, rather an attempt to demonstrate why I'm confused why Keene State was selected regionally and for the NCAAs.

You're arguing Roger Williams?  Keene's SOS was dominant.  If your SOS is below .500, you can't have more than 2 losses to get ranked in the NE.  A few years back Albertus was 27-1, I think, and 8th in the region.  SOS matters a lot.  Below .500 is just unacceptable for national contention.

[Falcons 25]

SOS matters a lot- yes indeed! What is a team to do LIKE ALBERTUS, when everyone is afraid to play them?

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

SOS matters a lot- yes indeed! What is a team to do LIKE ALBERTUS, when everyone is afraid to play them?

People are not afraid of Albertus; they are afraid of the terrible SOS in the GNAC.  Playing Albertus doesn't help good teams in terms of criteria.

[Mr. Ypsi]

SOS matters a lot- yes indeed! What is a team to do LIKE ALBERTUS, when everyone is afraid to play them?

People are not afraid of Albertus; they are afraid of the terrible SOS in the GNAC.  Playing Albertus doesn't help good teams in terms of criteria.

But SoS is 2/3 OWP and only 1/3 OOWP.  Playing a team like Albertus (almost guaranteed a great WP due to a terrible conference) is EXACTLY who a team trying to 'game the system' wants to play.  IF you are fearful of a loss, then it is a toss-up; but it is a no-brainer in terms of SoS.