MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[ecdubb420]

Good luck to Augie in the tournament. 
Show the rest of the country that this conference deserves more than ONE bid!!!!

[diehardfan]

Elmhurst out... UNBELIEVABLE.  I'd like to argue this is the top team every to be left out!  What is the highest ranked D3Hoops.com top 25 team to NOT make a tourney?

It may be UW-Oshkosh, #7 right now in the current Top 25 poll.

[David Collinge]

Prior to tonight, it was Capital #14 in the final regular season poll 2001-02.  They were 23-5 with 3 close losses to Otterbein.  Ott. won the national title, and Cap. ended up #8 in the final poll, despite not playing in the NCAAs.

[rknuppel]

Elmhurst out... UNBELIEVABLE.  I'd like to argue this is the top team every to be left out!  What is the highest ranked D3Hoops.com top 25 team to NOT make a tourney?

It may be UW-Oshkosh, #7 right now in the current Top 25 poll.

Wow!  You're probably right.  No Pool C teams from the CCIW or the WIAC.  So much for being the top 2 conferences in the nation.

Good luck to augie!  Go win this whole thing! 

[diehardfan]

Prior to tonight, it was Capital #14 in the final regular season poll 2001-02.  They were 23-5 with 3 close losses to Otterbein.  Ott. won the national title, and Cap. ended up #8 in the final poll, despite not playing in the NCAAs.

Are you sure? When Wheaton's team with Kolmodin tragically missed the tourney... what were they ranked? I thought it was higher than that.

Elmhurst out... UNBELIEVABLE.  I'd like to argue this is the top team every to be left out!  What is the highest ranked D3Hoops.com top 25 team to NOT make a tourney?

It may be UW-Oshkosh, #7 right now in the current Top 25 poll.

Wow!  You're probably right.  No Pool C teams from the CCIW or the WIAC.  So much for being the top 2 conferences in the nation.

Good luck to augie!  Go win this whole thing! 

Ryan, I've been on the Elmhurst bandwagon all season. I'm sure they could have made some noise. I'm just sorry they don't get a chance.

Come on Augustana, win it all and make the NCAA look ridiculous for picking only one of us. For some reason they've already forgot that it was our #2 Pool C that made it to Salem last year. 

It's about time for the CCIW to cut down the nets in Salem. Let's make it this year!

[Mr. Ypsi]

79j,

There is a projected field by d3hoops.com on the front page.  I wouldn't presume to try to outguess them (though I'm not so sure about BOTH Oshkosh and LaCrosse getting in - perhaps Guilford in one of those spots).

Well, I get half-credit for picking against d3hoops.com - I didn't expect NEITHER 'skosh or LaX to make it, but I got Guilford.

One-and-a-half cheers for me!

Having NO pool Cs from either the CCIW or WIAC just reinforces my criticism of the current selection criteria above.  Having an in-region-only QOWI (with no consideration of opponents' opponents records) is just plain dumb.  Fortunately it is apparently dead after this season, though too late for Elmhurst.

[David Collinge]

Prior to tonight, it was Capital #14 in the final regular season poll 2001-02.  They were 23-5 with 3 close losses to Otterbein.  Ott. won the national title, and Cap. ended up #8 in the final poll, despite not playing in the NCAAs.

Are you sure? When Wheaton's team with Kolmodin tragically missed the tourney... what were they ranked? I thought it was higher than that.

Well, it's the answer Pat gave to the identical question earlier this week.  If you tell me what year it was, I'll be happy to look it up for you. 

[sac]

Prior to tonight, it was Capital #14 in the final regular season poll 2001-02.  They were 23-5 with 3 close losses to Otterbein.  Ott. won the national title, and Cap. ended up #8 in the final poll, despite not playing in the NCAAs.

Are you sure? When Wheaton's team with Kolmodin tragically missed the tourney... what were they ranked? I thought it was higher than that.

Well, it's the answer Pat gave to the identical question earlier this week.  If you tell me what year it was, I'll be happy to look it up for you. 

2004 Wheaton was ranked #11 in the final poll before the tournament.

[Mr. Ypsi]

David,

By my count, 6 teams from the current top 25 did not make the tourney.  I would think that has got to be a record - does your data allow an easy check on that?

[Greek Tragedy]

Atlantic Region
1. (44) Stevens 21-6 21-6 (LOST in Skyline Semis) POOL C
2. (13) Ramapo 21-7 20-5 (Won NJAC AQ)
3. (39) Manhattanville 23-5 22-5 (Won Skyline AQ)
4. (55) New Jersey City 18-9 17-8 (LOST to Ramapo in NJAC Final)
5. (74) Rowan 20-6 15-6  (LOST to Ramapo in NJAC Semis)

East Region
1. (19) Brockport State 23-5 22-5 (LOST to Plattsburgh State in SUNYAC Final) POOL C
2. (15) St. John Fisher 22-5 21-5 (Won Empire 8 AQ)
3. (11) St. Lawrence 22-5 21-5 (Won Liberty League AQ)
4. (46) New York U. 19-6 18-6 (lost to Brandeis, needs a Pool C)
5. (20) Rochester 18-7 18-6 (beat Carnegie Mellon, still needs a Pool C) POOL C

Great Lakes Region
1. (4) Lake Erie 25-2 21-1 (Won AMCC AQ)
2. (27) Wooster 25-3 20-2 (Won NCAC AQ)
3. (31) John Carroll 19-9 18-7 (LOST to Capital in OAC Final) POOL C
4. (36) Hope 23-4 16-4 (LOST to Calvin in MIAA Final) POOL C
5. (52) Ohio Northern 19-7 14-7 (LOST to Otterbein in OAC Quarters)
6. (62) Wittenberg 22-5 17-5 (LOST to Ohio Wesleyan in NCAC Semis)

Middle Atlantic Region
1. (30) Johns Hopkins 22-4 21-3 (plays Haverford in Centennial Finals)
2. (32) Messiah 19-6 16-4 (LOST to Widener in MAC-Commonwealth Semis) POOL C
3. (42) Alvernia 23-4 22-2 (Won PnAC AQ)
4. (25) Lincoln (Pa.) 18-8 11-3-IND:  POOL B
5. (21) Catholic 22-5 21-5 (Won CAC AQ)
6. (40) Hood 21-7 20-6 (LOST to Catholic in CAC Final) POOL C
7. (37) King's (Pa.) 19-8 19-7 (Won MAC-Freedom AQ)
8. (45) Scranton 19-7 17-7 (LOST to DeSales in MAC-Freedom Semis)

Midwest Region
1. (12) Chicago 20-5 19-5 (LOST to Washington U., needs Pool C bid) POOL C
2. (18) Augustana 22-5 22-4 (Won CCIW AQ)
3. (9) Washington U. 12-4 18-4 (defeats Chicago in UAA, gets UAA AQ)
4. (14) Aurora 25-2 24-2 (Won NathCon Final:  POOL B
5. (57) Elmhurst 21-6 17-6 (LOST to Augustana in CCIW Final)
6. (73) Carthage 16-9 13-8 ([Reg. season complete, did not make CCIW tourney)
7. (64) Grinnell 17-7 16-7 (LOST to Lake Forest in MWC Semis)
8. (70) Wheaton (Ill.) 17-9 13-8 (LOST to Elmhurst in CCIW Semis)

Northeast Region
1. (2) Amherst 25-2 24-2 (LOST to Williams in NESCAC Final) POOL C
2. (8 ) Salem State 24-2 24-2 (Won MASCAC AQ)
3. (7) Trinity (Conn.) 21-4 17-4 (LOST to Williams in NESCAC Semis) POOL C
4. (3) WPI 22-3 20-3 (LOST to Coast Guard in NEWMAC Final) POOL C
5. (6) Rhode Island 24-3 24-3 (Won LEC AQ)
6. (26) Keene State 23-5 20-5 (LOST to Rhode Island in LEC Final) POOL C
7. (17) Brandeis 19-6 19-6 (defeated NYU, still needs a Pool C) POOL C
8. (47) Bates 18-7 17-7 (LOST to Amherst in NESCAC Quarters)
9. (49) Husson 22-6 22-4 (LOST to Elms in NAC Final)
10. (80) Western New England 19-8 19-8 (LOST to Emmanuel in GNAC Semis)

South Region
1. (10) Mississippi College 24-2 22-1 (plays Hardin-Simmons in ASC Final)
2. (24) Va. Wesleyan 23-4 22-4 (LOST to Hampden-Sydney in ODAC Semis) POOL C
3. (51) Guilford 21-4 20-4 (LOST to Bridgewater (Va) in ODAC Quarters) POOL C
4. (38) DePauw 22-5 19-4 (LOST to Trinity (TX) in SCAC Semis) POOL C
5. (43) Mary Hardin-Baylor 22-5 22-5 (LOST to Hardin-Simmons in ASC POOL CSemis;a 5-pt QOWI loss)
6. (33) Maryville (Tenn.) 21-6 21-3 (defeated LaGrange in GSAC Final)-POOL B
7. (23) Centre 22-4 16-4 (plays Trinity (TX) in SCAC Final)
8. (54) McMurry 20-7 19-5 (LOST to Mississippi College in ASC Semis)

West Region
1. (1) UW-Stevens Point 25-2 24-1 (Won WIAC AQ)
2. (5) St. Thomas 24-3 24-3 (Won MIAC AQ)
3. (23) St. John's 20-7 20-4 (LOST to St. Thomas in MIAC Final) POOL C
4. (34) UW-Oshkosh 21-6 18-6 (LOST to La Crosse in WIAC Semis)
5. (16) Occidental 19-5 14-3 (Won SCIAC AQ)
6. (28) Whitworth 23-3 20-3 (Won NWC AQ)
7. (29) Loras 21-6 19-4 (Won IIAC AQ)
8. (41) UW-La Crosse 19-8 17-7 (LOST to Stevens Point in WIAC Final)

[David Collinge]

Prior to tonight, it was Capital #14 in the final regular season poll 2001-02.  They were 23-5 with 3 close losses to Otterbein.  Ott. won the national title, and Cap. ended up #8 in the final poll, despite not playing in the NCAAs.

Are you sure? When Wheaton's team with Kolmodin tragically missed the tourney... what were they ranked? I thought it was higher than that.

Well, it's the answer Pat gave to the identical question earlier this week.  If you tell me what year it was, I'll be happy to look it up for you. 

2004 Wheaton was ranked #11 in the final poll before the tournament.

I stand corrected.  However, I still think that Capital's final ranking of #8 is the highest for a non-participant.

David,

By my count, 6 teams from the current top 25 did not make the tourney.  I would think that has got to be a record - does your data allow an easy check on that?

No, it does not.

[devildog29]

I know the criteria for Pool C bids has been posted on here many times, and I'm not trying to rehash the argument as to whether or not that format makes sense.  It is what it is.  But, how completely absurd is it the neither the CCIW or the WIAC (widely accepted as the two best conferences in D3) get an at large bid.  Again, I know D3 is not about the money, but could anyone imagine the Big Dance with only one ACC and one Big Ten team in it?  I guess we truly did decide to go to a D3 school first and foremost for academics.

[diehardfan]

I thought so, thanks Scott. At the time everyone around the nation was upset Wheaton didn't get in, precisely because they were the highest ranked team ever not to make it. I still think that team could have made it to Salem, and I still don't know how we blew that lead at the Shirk.  Man did that Selection Sunday suck.

[rknuppel]

Another question for you D3 gurus!  Is this the 1st time that just 1 WIAC and 1 CCIW team got into the national tourney?

[diehardfan]

Another question for you D3 gurus!  Is this the 1st time that just 1 WIAC and 1 CCIW team got into the national tourney?

The answer to that question is, very unfortunately, not at all.

But you have to remember, it wasn't until last year that the tournament was expanded. And last year both conferences got three teams! And then of course we almost all had to play each other.