MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[usee]

Awful lot of whining going on seeing as your conference didn't get the job done this year. 

Just an observation.

I haven't seen any "whining" what are you referring to? looks to me like some simple Q&A. Facts only.

Don't feed the troll, Usee.

The less attention we pay to him, the quicker he'll go away.

of course. I should have noticed the basic K/P ratio and surmised as much.....moving on.

[Pat Coleman]

It's awfully hard for me to believe that there are ten guards in the d3 basketball that are better and/or had better seasons than Kent Raymond of Wheaton.  Furthermore, what's more unbelievable is Drury (the guard from Carroll out of the midwest region) was a 3rd teamer and Raymond who was voted "POY" in the same region didn't make any of the five list.  Can someone make any sense of the selection process? 

I may have already pointed out that Drury did some things in the postseason that occurred after the All-Region voting that needed to be taken into account.

[Pat Coleman]

Plus, when all else is equal, or close to it, I will make sure to get the senior on the team over the underclassman every time. That factor has already been pointed out as well, hasn't it?

[hopefan]

Funny thing is - I thought the other guard for Carroll, Ligocky, played better against Hope than Drury did  -  real sneaky quick to the basket -  I had to check the program a couple times to get straight in my mind which kid was the all region guard. 

From down here in St Louis, and seeing only SLIAC games and Wash U, I didn't see many who were on  the All America List  -  When Ruths and Boone played, Boone was clearly stronger, so I agree with Boone's better rating - when I saw Cramer play up at Stevens Point, he was the best two guard I'd seen.  Wallis really did himself well in the tournament, and I think put himself on the map to be watched next year.

A farout wish   -  If ESPNU or whomever can give us high school games, I really wish they could give us a handful of D3 games - pick out the best games and best players and let us see them - show everyone a Williams Amherst game, the kid from Mt St Mary's, a big WIAC game, Witt- Woo etc.
Put em on at 3 in the morning, most of us have DVRs

[cardinalpride]

It's awfully hard for me to believe that there are ten guards in the d3 basketball that are better and/or had better seasons than Kent Raymond of Wheaton.  Furthermore, what's more unbelievable is Drury (the guard from Carroll out of the midwest region) was a 3rd teamer and Raymond who was voted "POY" in the same region didn't make any of the five list.  Can someone make any sense of the selection process? 

I may have already pointed out that Drury did some things in the postseason that occurred after the All-Region voting that needed to be taken into account.

Plus, when all else is equal, or close to it, I will make sure to get the senior on the team over the underclassman every time. That factor has already been pointed out as well, hasn't it?

CCIW world, you know what stinks about Pat's selection process?  Allow me to point this out.  All the other regional POY candidates made an AA list with the exception of Raymond.  Hmm, I wonder if he factored that in when he was diminishing the D3hoops AA list by "making sure to get seniors on it"?
By the way, every regional POY on the AA list is not a SENIOR!

[Pat Coleman]

Nor did every regional POY make the All-American team last year. We are not bound to follow the SIDs' votes, especially considering more games are played after the All-Region nomination process closes.

[cardinalpride]

Nor did every regional POY make the All-American team last year. We are not bound to follow the SIDs' votes, especially considering more games are played after the All-Region nomination process closes.

Pat, you're right.  Jason Boone of NYU was the east region POY last year, and he did not make an AA list.  However, no one else from the east region made any of the AA list either.  Especially, another center/forward.  I don't know about you, but to me that makes sense.  While you've already told us what took place, it just doesn't make any sense to me and it stinks.  JMO.

[wheatonfanaddict]

Well, here goes what karma I have left, but damn the torpedoes!

D3Hoops chose Raymond as a pre-season All American, he had an All American season, and yet he gets left out of the final selection?

Smells like politics to me.

[Ralph Turner]

Well, here goes what karma I have left, but damn the torpedoes!

D3Hoops chose Raymond as a pre-season All American, he had an All American season, and yet he gets left out of the final selection?

Smells like politics to me.

Please elaborate on the nature and the specific incidents of "politics" that kept Kent Raymond from making the final All-American lists.

I won't smite you.  I actually would prefer a systematic refutation of the accomplishments of the other All-Americans as to why they should be the one that is left off in favor of Raymond.

Thanking you in advance...

[cardinalpride]

Well, here goes what karma I have left, but damn the torpedoes!

D3Hoops chose Raymond as a pre-season All American, he had an All American season, and yet he gets left out of the final selection?

Smells like politics to me.

Wheatonfanaddict, I'm with you.  Raymond was voted POY in the midwest region.  The other 4 starters on the 1st team were named to an AA lists including a player of the same position.  Raymond was voted MOP in his league over a player that was named on the 1st team AA list.  What more does a man have to do?

[Pat Coleman]

Well, here goes what karma I have left, but damn the torpedoes!

D3Hoops chose Raymond as a pre-season All American, he had an All American season, and yet he gets left out of the final selection?

Smells like politics to me.

Ask around the department and see what the relationship is between Wheaton and D3sports.com. I think you'll find we are 10 times more likely to favor the Thunder if playing politics.

But we most emphatically do not play politics with our picks.

And cardinalpride: Apples and oranges. I don't think that we were likely to name Freeman at a guard spot or Raymond as a forward. We like our All-American Team to be an actual team -- you know, two in the backcourt, three in the frontcourt?

[cardinalpride]

Well, here goes what karma I have left, but damn the torpedoes!

D3Hoops chose Raymond as a pre-season All American, he had an All American season, and yet he gets left out of the final selection?

Smells like politics to me.

Please elaborate on the nature and the specific incidents of "politics" that kept Kent Raymond from making the final All-American lists.

I won't smite you.  I actually would prefer a systematic refutation of the accomplishments of the other All-Americans as to why they should be the one that is left off in favor of Raymond.

Thanking you in advance...

Ralph, I would like you to give me a system that makes sense.  One that doesn't allow a kid to be left of the AA lists when he was voted POY in the region where there are 4 other AAs.  The system that we're currently under would be similar to a Div1 kid being named national POY and not be a 1st team AA.  As a matter of fact, the system that we're under is worse.

[Pat Coleman]

We are not obliged to follow the SIDs' votes, and we never have been. I see that this is new to you, but it is the way it's been since 2002.

[diehardfan]

We are not obliged to follow the SIDs' votes, and we never have been. I see that this is new to you, but it is the way it's been since 2002.

Yes, but Pat, aren't you and the D3hoops.com guys the one that pick the Regional POY, not the SIDs....

[Pat Coleman]

Top vote-getter is the regional POY.