MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[sac]

Here's where I pull out my favorite trivial high school basketball score from Michigan......


January 16, 1996

Jackson Northwest 7 Haslett 6  ----------5 Overtimes

I should have elaborated...........there used to be an online article but I can't find it anymore.  Haslett was known as a high scoring program (may still be) it was pretty common for them to average 80 to 90 points even with the 32 minute HS clock.  JNW is known for not having a good basketball program............think 5 gaurd offense.  The details of this game escape me now but I'm pretty sure this was the only way JNW had any chance to win this game.    I think they held the ball for the full 8 minutes of a couple quarters.    This was the only game they tried this tactic, in fact I think these two played earlier in the year and got spanked pretty bad.

I wish I could find that article.

[AndOne]

I didn't mean disrespectful in the literal sense, Pylorus. I was thinking more along the lines of dull. A slow down style certainly does have its place depending on a coach's personel. However, an entire game played in that style would make me wish I stayed home. Accordingly, I would favor something along the lines of 45-50 seconds in high school, However, I realize, as Millikin states, there is no way the IHSA would do anything, such as establish a shot clock, to hurt the small schools who may not have sufficient numbers/talent to play a more up-tempo game for a sustained period of time.

Additionally, often times a "stall" won't work at the high school level because not that many teams have a superior ballhandler. This, to some extent, negates the need for a shot clock. All the defensive team has to do is come out and pressure the ball. Once the ball gets into the hands of a less than stellar ballhandler (who can't escape the pressure by using the dribble), you are usually going to see either a bad pass, or a 5 second count, both of which result in a turnover.     

Much as the mid-range jumper has vastly disappeared from the game, so has superior ballhandling ability. Go to any high school or college gym. When an organized practice session is not happening, whats going on? Almost always, you'll see spectacular dunk attempts or long range bombs being thrown up, usually from well behind the current 3 point line. Moving the arc back a foot at the college level will only serve to further reinforce this facet of our current basketball "culture"   

[augiefan]

It's hard to recall a time when Streamwood H.S. was ever close to being 8th in the state. Usually they are lucky to be 8th in the Uostate 8. Maybe it was the year Augie grad Steve Lamberti was on the team with some other good players, but that team was never 8th in the state. Maybe Top 25 briefly.

[Titan Q]

I posted IWU's tentative schedule a week or so ago...

http://www.iwuhoops.com/sch07-08.doc

For the second time in 3 years, Beloit has backed out of a commitment to play the Titans...not sure what the deal is, but IWU is scrambling to find a game now.

Ron Rose has filled the open spot in IWU's schedule with an in-region game vs Webster on Saturday 12/1.

http://www.iwuhoops.com/sch07-08.doc

The other two teams in the Albion opening weekend tournament are Rochester College from Michigan, which competes in the USCAA, and Division III Tri-State.  I don't know much about these teams.  Tri-State is in the MIAA with Calvin and Hope and finished 16-9/9-5 last year. Rochester gave Hope a scare last year, losing 76-74 in Holland on 12/30.  They finished third in the USCAA national tournament in Tulsa, OK, which isn't exactly the NCAA Division III or NAIA national tournaments.

So, both games IWU plays on opening weekend @ Albion will be out-of-region.  Probably a good thing...the Titans will have a whole bunch of new faces trying to find their way that weekend.


http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?school=Tri-State&team=m

http://www.tristate.edu/tsuathletics/mensbasketball/mbball_about.cfm

http://www.rc.edu/athletics/at_mbball.php

[petemcb]

It's hard to recall a time when Streamwood H.S. was ever close to being 8th in the state. Usually they are lucky to be 8th in the Uostate 8. Maybe it was the year Augie grad Steve Lamberti was on the team with some other good players, but that team was never 8th in the state. Maybe Top 25 briefly.

I was wondering that myself.  Streamwood has been a part of the Wheeling Hardwood Classic every December for the last several years and they have never looked anything like a state-ranked team.  How far back was this?

[Titan Q]

Didn't Theo Powell (Carthage '04) go to Streamwood H.S.??  I gotta believe any H.S. team with Theo was pretty good.

[petemcb]

They were good then.  I remember seeing them pretty regularly out at the summer league at Harper CC in Palatine.  I still don't remember them looking like a state-ranked team. 

[petemcb]

In fact, I remember Theo from those days, and while he was an interesting player with intriguing potential, I never would have predicted the dominance he would demonstrate at a CCIW/All-Conference/All-American/European pro level.  I guess you never really know, for sure.

[petemcb]

.....or at least I never really know for sure...........

[Titan Q]

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_19991218/ai_n13842580


Streamwood coach Chuck Schroeder told his team to focus on the way it started its basketball game Friday against St. Charles.

The No. 8 Sabres were dominant from start to finish and rolled to a 78-55 victory Friday at Streamwood.

Streamwood made seven of its first nine shots to build a 16-2 lead four minutes into the game and cruised from there in the Upstate Eight game. The victory gave the Sabres their first 8-0 start in 22 seasons.

"Our coach wanted us to come out with great intensity, and that's just what we did," said Streamwood forward Aaron Doss, who scored a game-high 18 points. "Getting out to a lead like that was very important."

The Sabres worked the ball into 6-7 center Theo Powell for three consecutive baskets to start the game and got a pair of three- pointers from Drew Gronau during the game-opening run. Powell finished with 13 points and Gronau with nine.

[petemcb]

Good find, Bob.  I'm still not clear whether that article is referring to Streamwood as 8th in the state, 8th in Chicagoland, or what.  I guess whatever poll it is, 8th is still impressive in the greater Chicago area.  That program has really fallen on hard times the last 3-4 years. 

[John Gleich]

Here are a few more articles:

Shorter Link

Sabres fall to Falcons; Elgin wins
Author:    Joe Summins Daily Herald Correspondent
Date: February 9, 2000
Publication: Daily Herald
Section: Sports
Page: 7


"A 21-point third quarter and a putback by Mike Dunn with three seconds left allowed host Wheaton North to knock off Streamwood 52- 51 Tuesday night. "The kids never quit," said Wheaton North coach Bob Ward. "This was a big test for us. It was a team win."


The Falcons (13-7) dug themselves a hole early when Streamwood (16-5) jumped out to a 10-3 lead in the opening minutes of the first quarter. The Sabres reached their largest lead of the game..."

99-00 was the year.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

as mentioned here several times before the CCIW records for fewest points by combined teams in a game came in consecutive games for then #2 ranked in the NAIA Augustana in 1973.

On Friday night the Vikings won 37-34 at Carthage.  In that game the Redmen's guard (I think it was Larry Evans) had the ball down, by one playing for the final shot, when he was called for traveling with under ten seconds left.

The next night Augustana led 4-2 at half and went on to beat Carroll 12-6.

I remember a game at Tennessee 30 years ago when they beat Temple, something like 12 to 8 or 20 to 8.

There was at least one Rolling Meadows HS game this past year where the score was 4-2 at the end of the first quarter and another where the Mustangs only had 8 points at halftime (they won the game).

In football this past season Auburn had the ball for the entire 3rd quarter vs Georgia = the Bulldogs never ran a play.

MW 70:3

[Gregory Sager]

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_19991218/ai_n13842580


Streamwood coach Chuck Schroeder told his team to focus on the way it started its basketball game Friday against St. Charles.

The No. 8 Sabres were dominant from start to finish and rolled to a 78-55 victory Friday at Streamwood.

Streamwood made seven of its first nine shots to build a 16-2 lead four minutes into the game and cruised from there in the Upstate Eight game. The victory gave the Sabres their first 8-0 start in 22 seasons.

"Our coach wanted us to come out with great intensity, and that's just what we did," said Streamwood forward Aaron Doss, who scored a game-high 18 points. "Getting out to a lead like that was very important."

The Sabres worked the ball into 6-7 center Theo Powell for three consecutive baskets to start the game and got a pair of three- pointers from Drew Gronau during the game-opening run. Powell finished with 13 points and Gronau with nine.

Drew Gronau went on to become a member of Streamwood's Thousand Point Club -- and if the name looks familiar to people who habituate this website, it's because after graduating from Streamwood Gronau went on to have a very fine career playing shooting guard for James Lancaster at Aurora. He finished his career as a Spartan in 2005 with 1,091 points. He's still at Aurora as a part-time assistant coach under Lancaster.

I can imagine that a high school team that included Theo Powell and Drew Gronau might've been pretty darned good. However, the best player on that team might've been 6'4 forward Aaron Doss, who prematurely torpedoed his college career by first being suspended from the Sabres for poor grades as a sophomore and then getting kicked out of school as a junior for selling pot. By the time he was readmitted as a senior it was too late to establish his bona-fides to college recruiters. I know that he went on to play at Elgin CC afterwards, but I'm not sure if he ever played for a four-year school after ECC.

Interestingly, Powell and Gronau each had fellow Streamwood starters accompany them to their respective colleges: PG Steve Battisti went with Powell to Carthage, and forward Tim Frick went with Gronau to Aurora. I don't think Frick ever amounted to much for the Spartans, and Battisti left Bosko's program after a couple of seasons on the Redmen JV team.

[Titan Q]

Pantagraph article on Doug Sexauer...

http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2007/05/10/sports/doc464289970444a647195898.txt