MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[The Roop]

That's fine, just ignore my PS. then but the rest of what I said still has merit. No defenders on the free throw line, etc.

[AndOne]

Last season at UNO, he started 19 of his team's 27 games, and averaged 20 minutes of playing time a game. In those 20 minutes he averaged 4.7 ppg on 51% shooting from the field and 69% from the line to go along with a 4.1 rpg average.   

While 4.7 ppg and 4.1 rbg should (but may not) improve against CCIW competition, the free throw % is still a liability as all free throws are the same regardless of division.

PS. Either Nebraska-Omaha released their media guide too soon or TitanQ is questioning your sources.

Roop, that's last year's Media Guide, Q was just offering it as a reference I'm assuming, if anyone wanted to read more.

1. While he has every right to, I certainly hope Titan Q is not questioning my sources any more than I would question his in such an instance. This is especially the case here given that my source for most of the information in my post was the UNO Media Guide! 

2. Given #1, consulting the media guide would not have revealed any additional info. Thus, the post that included it was unnecessary.

3. As Roop indicates, the points per game and rebounds per game should (but are not guaranteed to by any stretch) improve against D III competition. 
However, the main point here that may be being missed, is that Jeremy's averages were achieved while only playing an average of 1/2 the time. I think possible increased playing time is what will likely result in the averages showing an increase rather than his facing much inferior competition as the top to bottom competition in the CCIW is about as good as it gets in D III.

[Titan Q]

Last season at UNO, he started 19 of his team's 27 games, and averaged 20 minutes of playing time a game. In those 20 minutes he averaged 4.7 ppg on 51% shooting from the field and 69% from the line to go along with a 4.1 rpg average.   

While 4.7 ppg and 4.1 rbg should (but may not) improve against CCIW competition, the free throw % is still a liability as all free throws are the same regardless of division.

PS. Either Nebraska-Omaha released their media guide too soon or TitanQ is questioning your sources.

Roop, that's last year's Media Guide, Q was just offering it as a reference I'm assuming, if anyone wanted to read more.

1. While he has every right to, I certainly hope Titan Q is not questioning my sources any more than I would question his in such an instance. This is especially the case here given that my source for most of the information in my post was the UNO Media Guide! 

2. Given #1, consulting the media guide would not have revealed any additional info. Thus, the post that included it was unnecessary.

3. As Roop indicates, the points per game and rebounds per game should (but are not guaranteed to by any stretch) improve against D III competition. 
However, the main point here that may be being missed, is that Jeremy's averages were achieved while only playing an average of 1/2 the time. I think possible increased playing time is what will likely result in the averages showing an increase rather than his facing much inferior competition as the top to bottom competition in the CCIW is about as good as it gets in D III.

I wasn't questioning anything.  Just simply providing a link so people could check out whatever information was in the media guide on the young man (including his height, weight, position, photos, what his coach said about him, etc). 

[13wapiti]

I enjoyed the link.  It was good to see the photo and read about him.  It's neat looking at the many different styles the colleges have in these guides and provides a ton of information about the team, the season expections, about the college itself and a team photo. 

[martin]

I was more than a little bit surprised that anyone would think that Q was doing anything other than providing some more information about Williams.  If he gets beat up for a little thing like providing a link, maybe he will be less of a font on information on all things D3 Hoops, CCIW, and IWU.

Even more on Williams,  his line from the 2006-07 season box score at UNO:
30 Jeremy Williams.... 27-19  562 20.8  52-102  .510   0-4    .000  24-35   .686   30  82  112  4.1  67  1  13  26   6  15  128  4.7

Since that is so intelligible, you can see it here.

I don't like athletic programs like UNO.  They have 5 mens sports (Baseball,  Basketball,  Football,  Hockey,  Wrestling) and 9 womens sports (Basketball,  Cross Country,  Golf,  Soccer,  Softball,  Swimming & Diving,  Tennis,  Track,  Volleyball).  Because they want to have a football team, comply with Title IX, and spend as little as possible, men are denied the opportunity to compete on "minor" sports.

[sac]

I don't like athletic programs like UNO.  They have 5 mens sports (Baseball,  Basketball,  Football,  Hockey,  Wrestling) and 9 womens sports (Basketball,  Cross Country,  Golf,  Soccer,  Softball,  Swimming & Diving,  Tennis,  Track,  Volleyball).  Because they want to have a football team, comply with Title IX, and spend as little as possible, men are denied the opportunity to compete on "minor" sports.

Another mark against them is being Division 1 in 1 sport only...........hockey, they play as a member of the CCHA against schools like Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Bowling Green and another 1 sport D1 school Ferris State.

Dumbest conference alignment ever......with Alaska-Fairbanks in the same league.

[Pat Coleman]

Greg Sager, to the CCIW football board. Greg Sager, please report to the CCIW football board.

[Gregory Sager]

Sager how can my remark be "absolutely ridiculous" when i said 5-7 guys wont be there when you yourself said 3 is a reasonable estimate.

Because, as Mr. B pointed out, three is not five, six, or seven. Plus, I was estimating -- not declaring, which is what you did.

I was simply saying that at NPU just like at the majority of d3 colleges and high schools there will always be people who drop off for whatever reason grades,playing time,lack of desire, other interests etc.

That's a truism, and it's one I've already acknowledged. But you weren't "simply saying" that. You said that 5-7 NPU players who were at the first open gym won't be there when the CCIW season begins in January -- not might not be there, won't be there. And your declaration is unsupportable, because you don't have the facts to back up such a bold statement.

I did a recheck of the North Park rosters from the three previous seasons of the Paul Brenegan era. His first season (2004-05), two players (Cory Wilks and Tetloch Tut) quit the team between August and January, and two more (Mike Haehn and Je'shawn Stevenson) quit after the CCIW season began. There were no academic casualties, out-transfers, or injuries. So that's two rather than "5-7 guys" for the '04-'05 season.

In Brenegan's second season (2005-06), four players who were present at the first open gym in August were gone by the start of CCIW play in January: Eric Samuelson and Eric Allen (both of whom quit seven games into the season) and Mike Peterson and Glen Woodside (both of whom were sidelined for the season by knee injuries). Another player, Brad Gergovich, transferred in at the semester break but then dropped his classes and left school after only playing in one CCIW game. And another player, Jason Gordon, was sidelined for the year after tearing his ACL in the game at Wheaton. So that's four rather than "5-7 guys" for the '05-'06 season.

Last season, NPU lost only one player between August and January: Mike Church, who was sidelined for the year with a back injury during preseason practice. Another player, Sheldon Evans, became an academic casualty two games into the CCIW season, and a third, Anthony Cruz, left the JV team midway through January. So that's one rather than "5-7 guys" for the '06-'07 season.

In other words, seven guys in three years fit your criteria. Now do you understand why I called your declaration ridiculous?

Paul Brenegan still has a long, long, long way to go to bring NPU basketball back to what it once was, but at least he's recruiting student-athletes who are giving him a good retention rate.

AO is right about the fact that most player attrition on the D3 level takes place after the season is over, not once fall open gyms are underway.

[Gregory Sager]

Sager (or anyone else with the answer),

Did Mike Church return to NPU this year?

I'm not certain if he's back in school at NPU or not, but I know that he's not playing basketball for the Vikings this season.

A friend of mine who is a Millikin grad and resident of Decatur told me that Drew Gensler is back at Millikin.  He heard that Drew decided he wasn't going to like Boise St and came home.  Interestingly, the word is that he is not playing basketball at Millikin.

If so, this begs the question as to whether or not he's willing to play for another Millikin coach besides Tim Littrell. Of course, there could be any number of reasons why Gensler's chosen not to play this season -- after Kent Raymond's decision two years ago, nothing can be considered too exotic when it comes to the myriad reasons why basketball players decide not to lace 'em up -- but in light of Littrell's unceremonious departure from Jimmy Millikin, people are going to wonder if it's the reason why the team's recently-returned superstar is declining to participate.

[markerickson]

Greg:  please support your declaration that Gensler is a "superstar."

[petemcb]

Greg:  please support your declaration that Gensler is a "superstar."

Rabblerouser

[cciwgrad]

I heard from a Millikin BB player and supporter.  They were not aware Gensler was back or even heard anything from the other players. I do know they have had initial team meetings and started individual workouts and open gyms.   

So is this Rumor or Fact??

And if he if he is back at MU..... he may have enrolled at Boise and I wonder if he "dropped" out and enrolled late to MU if that constitues a "transfer" which would make him ineligleble ?!?!?

[dansand]

I heard from a Millikin BB player and supporter.  They were not aware Gensler was back or even heard anything from the other players. I do know they have had initial team meetings and started individual workouts and open gyms.   

So is this Rumor or Fact??

And if he if he is back at MU..... he may have enrolled at Boise and I wonder if he "dropped" out and enrolled late to MU if that constitues a "transfer" which would make him ineligleble ?!?!?

In D3 you can transfer mid-season and play (Shawn McGuire did so in 2003, going from Illinois Wesleyan to Eureka), so I would think if Gensler was enrolled and academically eligible, he would be eligible to play. I'm not positive though.

[AndOne]

I heard from a Millikin BB player and supporter.  They were not aware Gensler was back or even heard anything from the other players. I do know they have had initial team meetings and started individual workouts and open gyms.   

So is this Rumor or Fact??

And if he if he is back at MU..... he may have enrolled at Boise and I wonder if he "dropped" out and enrolled late to MU if that constitues a "transfer" which would make him ineligleble ?!?!?

In D3 you can transfer mid-season and play (Shawn McGuire did so in 2003, going from Illinois Wesleyan to Eureka), so I would think if Gensler was enrolled and academically eligible, he would be eligible to play. I'm not positive though.

I believe you CAN transfer and play within D III. For instance, transferring from Millikin to Aurora at the semester. The exception would be transferring within a conference that has a rule requiring that you sit out a year if you transfer within the conference (like the rule in the CCIW).

[coebball70]

I won't call Gensler a 'superstar' but I will say he had the best ever start to a CCIW career two years ago against Elmhurst.  I watched the kid, almost effortlessly, put in 38 points on Chris Martin & Company in his first game for MU.  It will be a real shame if he doesn't play somewhere this year!