MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[knarocky22]

Alex Washington is definitely not a 3-point shooter.  He's very athletic, and the majority of his points come from drives to the basket.  Could Mike Avallone see more playing time due to the Delp injury, simply to get another 3-point shooter on the floor?  I thought he played fairly well against NIU when I saw him. 

[Late nite]

A big loss for the Vikes---The ball-handling was a little suspect BEFORE the injury to Jordan---this will only add to their question marks---I see Wessels moving to the 2  and Washington playing the 3---Jeff Becker will also see his playing time increase dramatically---I believe that the scoring can be replaced a lot easier than the ball handling and leadership---No matter how much depth a program may have, it's tough to lose someone that can contribute on so many levels

I hate to have to report this, but bad news from Augie's win at St. Norbert. Jordan Delp ruptured an achilles tendon near the end of regulation after leading the Vikings with 22. It was good to see fellow senior Dain Swetalla step up take over in the overtime sessions. It'll be interesting to see if folks start writing Augie off now (some seem to be even before finding out about Jordan's injury). A tough break for Augie, but a tougher one for Jordan.

[Greek Tragedy]

Eligibility wise, can't he get a medical redshirt?

[Mr. Ypsi]

Eligibility wise, can't he get a medical redshirt?

Since this was Augie's 7th game, I believe he would be one game over the limit (25%?), depending on how they round off such things.  In any event, probably most d3 players do not take medical redshirts even if eligible - it is expensive (unless, of course, you're at one of those cheap WIAC schools ).

[Titan Q]

Eligibility wise, can't he get a medical redshirt?

The requirements for a hardship waiver ("medical redshirt" - not a NCAA term) are:

1) The student-athlete suffers a season-ending injury.

2) The injury happens in the first half of the season.

3) The student-athlete has not competed in more than 20% of the regular season contests.


Jordan Delp played in 7 games, or 28% of Augie's 25 games. 

[Jim Matson]

That's tough to miss by so tight a margin...if he was considering it at all. 

[Titan Q]

Check out this Grinnell boxscore from their 151-112 win over North Central (MN) yesterday...

http://www.midwestconference.org/mbasketball/GCncc12-8.htm

* Point-guard David Arseneault had 34 assists and 2 turnovers!

* Grinnell shot 86 3's and had 129 total field goal attempts!

* John Grotberg took 38 3's and had 49 points!

[tjcummingsfan]

That's a new NCAA (all divisions) record for assists.  From some of the talk on the MWC board this was something that was manufactured against a pretty mediocre team.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

According to what I've been reading in different reports, because this opponent was non-d3 and wouldn't count for anything, the coach was already planning to mix it up.  ESPN reports that the plan was to play Grotberg and Chamberlin in 10-minute shifts to see how many points they could score (as opposed to the 45 second shifts they normally employ).  Arsenault had 14 assists at halftime, so they decided to shift their focus on helping him get the record, which he picked up with almost 8 minutes left to play in the game.

They did manufacture this, but it was in the midst of a game where they were already mixing things up.  It was strictly planned this way until halftime.

[Titan Q]

According to what I've been reading in different reports, because this opponent was non-d3 and wouldn't count for anything, the coach was already planning to mix it up.  ESPN reports that the plan was to play Grotberg and Chamberlin in 10-minute shifts to see how many points they could score (as opposed to the 45 second shifts they normally employ).  Arsenault had 14 assists at halftime, so they decided to shift their focus on helping him get the record, which he picked up with almost 8 minutes left to play in the game.

They did manufacture this, but it was in the midst of a game where they were already mixing things up.  It was strictly planned this way until halftime.

The ESPN article...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3147898

[Greek Tragedy]

So what is North Central (MN) if they aren't D3?  Usually if they aren't D3, this site doesn't have a link to their "team home page on this site"...but they do and it lists them as an independent.

[Greek Tragedy]

North Central University is a member of the National Christian College Athletic Association (NCCAA) Division II and a provisional member of the National College Athletic Association (NCAA) Division III.

[Titan Q]

So what is North Central (MN) if they aren't D3?  Usually if they aren't D3, this site doesn't have a link to their "team home page on this site"...but they do and it lists them as an independent.

North Central University is a Division III "provisional" in 2007-08.  They are recognized as a member of NCAA Division III...

http://web1.ncaa.org/onlineDir/exec/divisionListing

But they're not eligible for the tournament this year.  I don't think games vs provisionals count as "in-region" games.

D3Hoops.com indicates the provisionals with an asterik...

http://www.d3hoops.com/region/west/mens

[buf]

Eligibility wise, can't he get a medical redshirt?

The requirements for a hardship waiver ("medical redshirt" - not a NCAA term) are:

1) The student-athlete suffers a season-ending injury.

2) The injury happens in the first half of the season.

3) The student-athlete has not competed in more than 20% of the regular season contests.


Jordan Delp played in 7 games, or 28% of Augie's 25 games. 

Dan Beyer (UWEC), one of the WIAC's top players, had a season ending injury during his freshman year (3 years ago).  He did end up playing in 7 games that season also.  He is currently listed as a senior on the roster, but throughout the past 3 years, coaches and people who are close among the program have been saying that he will definitely get a medical redshirt and thus is only a junior this season eligibility wise.  UWEC had 25 regular season games that season.

Has the rule changed in the past 3 years?  It seems that Delp's and Beyer's situations are identical.

[augiefan]

Just to clarify Dansand's misrepresentation of my post, I did not claim that "all" of Augie's opponents were weaker opposition. Any WIAC opponent, even a second division team, is a tough opponent, and certainly Wash U without Wallis is a good win. However, without Wallis Wash U is not a number one team no matter how they were rated in the preseason.

The weaker opponents I refer to are Coe, which lead Augie early in the second half, and more specifically the last two opponents, St. Ambrose, who Augie did not put away until late in the second half, and St. Norbert, which took Augie to two OTs, after having lost to a Knox team that Millikin beat by 21 points.

If Augie had not been the preseason number 4 team, their record would be excellent, and it still exactly what I expected at this point, although I figured a loss to Wash U and a win over LaCrosse. In short they have not IMO played as well as expected by most of us.

The loss of Delp, much like the loss of Wallis at Wash U, will lower expectations, perhaps to a more realistic level. One thing is sure the loss of great players to injuries is part of the game, but it is not something any of us like to see. Most athletes want to beat the best the opposition has to offer rather than having their success questioned due a key opponent not being on the floor.