MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Mr. Ypsi]

OK.  Sounds like we're in mid-season form.

I think we've got the cast together for a re-make of "Grumpy Old Men".  Since I prefer to work against type (but have plenty - i.e., too much - research material), I'll play one of the teen-aged boys.

(Might be a challenge for our make-up crew - make 'em earn their pay!)

[AndOne]

the absence of Dan Ozminski name on the NPU roster was explained in this email from the school's SID

"Yes, Dan Oziminski quit the team a few weeks ago."

dgp

THIS e-mail?     

Did I miss something?   

my personal email with the North Park SID involved more than just discussing Dan Ozminski's non-presence on the Vikings roster.  The sentence in quotes was his response to my question.

If you put down your crayons I'll draw a better picture for you.

dgp

Dennis----

I never got the crayons out!

I was just responding to your statement indicating "in this e-mail." I think that by your use of the word "this" it was reasonable to expect an actual e-mail to be included in your post. Perhaps if you had used your crayons to draw a more accurate picture, I would not have had to pose the question. All you would have needed to do was to indicate that it was a personal e-mail. However, I don't believe that was at all apparent from your statement.

I was rather surprised by your lack of clarity as I am so very much used to your posts being so detailed and insightful.      

[robberki]

How many CCIW schools began practice on 10/15?
NCC begins on 10/19.

Carthage began last night.

NPU starts practice Friday at 3 pm in the Helwig Center. I'm very excited for this years team, I was more excited before Dan left the team but I'm still ready to get things rolling. Jones will be absolutely KEY this year. If he plays like everyone believes he can it is going to open up a lot of opportunities. There are a couple of freshman that might see the floor this season at the varsity level. I'll post my thoughts in a few days.

[AndOne]

rob--

I think there will be other keyS that will be equally important for NPU this season, but there is certainly no question that Jones' return provides the Vikings with a sorely needed and valuable inside weapon which I believe will enable other team members to be even more effective.

[Gregory Sager]

If he is at Joliet Junior College he is not getting scholarship moeny. Joliet is a NJCAA DIII and therefore not allowed to give money for athletics but here are ways around it. He may have gotten scholarship money for academics, special programs etc. ANd of course financial aid but money for purely athletics is not part of the NJCAA DIII by laws.

I didn't realize that JJC was NJCAA D3. Thanks for pointing that out, dropkick11. Even though Durham is from Joliet, I'm a bit surprised that he ended up at a non-scholarship school, as he certainly has the talent to get a scholie somewhere.

NPU starts practice Friday at 3 pm in the Helwig Center. I'm very excited for this years team, I was more excited before Dan left the team but I'm still ready to get things rolling. Jones will be absolutely KEY this year. If he plays like everyone believes he can it is going to open up a lot of opportunities. There are a couple of freshman that might see the floor this season at the varsity level. I'll post my thoughts in a few days.

The loss of Oziminski is very bad, and it comes from totally out of the blue as far as I'm aware. I can't even begin to speculate as to what might've brought it about, but as I said last night it's been a few weeks since I spoke to any of the NPU coaches. Nevertheless, it's best to have it happen now than after practices start, to say nothing of the season itself. My guess is that Chris Brown now becomes the starting PG by default, although from everything I've heard about Roshawn Russell he might be ready to step in and see heavy minutes at the point right away.

[AndOne]

It seems like recently there is a bit of a hex on the point guard position at NPU.

Last year, Bruce Durham, who I was surprised was admitted to school, began the season. Suddenly, at about the semester break, he was gone. I remember receiving a report from a reliable source who didn't think it was due to poor grades. That leaves open the possibility of either a disciplinary problem or, more likely, an episode of Brandon Smith disease which is known to afflict those who think they are too good for DIII, and expect other schools to rush to extend scholarship offers once they leave the DIII pool. Now, Dan Oziminski has seemingly vanished into thin air which appears to be a surprise to GS.

Don't know how good Russell is or will be, but I thought Chris Brown provided a bit of a spark, and played pretty well when I saw him last year.

[Gregory Sager]

Last year, Bruce Durham, who I was surprised was admitted to school, began the season. Suddenly, at about the semester break, he was gone. I remember receiving a report from a reliable source who didn't think it was due to poor grades. That leaves open the possibility of either a disciplinary problem or, more likely, an episode of Brandon Smith disease which is known to afflict those who think they are too good for DIII, and expect other schools to rush to extend scholarship offers once they leave the DIII pool.

It wasn't any of those things. His grades were fine, he didn't have discipline issues, and he didn't catch a dose of Brandon Smith Disease. The reason why he left NPU was exactly what I said it was in my post last night: Money. His dad was unhappy with the amount that he was shelling out for his son's North Park education. Mr. Durham's dissatisfaction with the accommodations in the dorm in terms of the school's cost seemed to be a particular sticking point, according to what I was told by the coaches.

[markerickson]

If Durham "deserved" a scholarship coming out of HS, and his dad didn't like the NPU bill, then why did he enroll at NPU?  Durham displayed flashes of legitimate talent - perhaps the kid is yet another head case - the list is long.

[iwumichigander]

IWU starts practice this Saturday.   

According to a Pantagraph article today: "The Wesleyan inside game has been thrown into additional disarray by a stress fracture to the shin of 6-foot-5 senior Brett Chamernik, who started every game and averaged 10.8 points last season. "The best case scenario is he misses four weeks then gets back into it and won't miss any games," Rose said.

No other injuries or 'surprises' were reported in the article.  In the short term, Chamernik's injury along with All CCIW Gant's graduate does provide some opportunity to other IWU post players to step-up in practice.  It could be a long, roller coaster season should Chamernik have further problems.

[mr_b]

the absence of Dan Ozminski name on the NPU roster was explained in this email from the school's SID

"Yes, Dan Oziminski quit the team a few weeks ago."

THIS e-mail?       Did I miss something?   

my personal email with the North Park SID involved more than just discussing Dan Ozminski's non-presence on the Vikings roster.  The sentence in quotes was his response to my question.

If you put down your crayons I'll draw a better picture for you.

I never got the crayons out!

I was just responding to your statement indicating "in this e-mail." I think that by your use of the word "this" it was reasonable to expect an actual e-mail to be included in your post. Perhaps if you had used your crayons to draw a more accurate picture, I would not have had to pose the question. All you would have needed to do was to indicate that it was a personal e-mail. However, I don't believe that was at all apparent from your statement.

I was rather surprised by your lack of clarity as I am so very much used to your posts being so detailed and insightful.      

The ambiguity stems from the deictic reference of the demonstrative "this" as serving in either an anaphoric or cataphoric function.  That is, words such as "this," "that," "here," and "there" can point back to something previously mentioned, or point forward to something about to be mentioned.

Anaphoric (pointing backward):

I received an e-mail from Coach Thorp.  This e-mail informed me that...

Cataphoric (pointing forward):

This e-mail from Coach Thorp should interest you: he informed me that...

For the discourse analysis wonks who frequent D3boards, you can find more on the subject by consulting your copy of "A Concise Grammar of Contemporary English" by Quirk & Greenbaum (pp. 302-3).  The rest of us will merely return to CCIW Chat.

[AndOne]

Very interesting Mr_b.
Perhaps my investigative background got the better of me. Sorry for over analyzing the subject. As you said---back to CCIW play.

[AndOne]

Last year, Bruce Durham, who I was surprised was admitted to school, began the season. Suddenly, at about the semester break, he was gone. I remember receiving a report from a reliable source who didn't think it was due to poor grades. That leaves open the possibility of either a disciplinary problem or, more likely, an episode of Brandon Smith disease which is known to afflict those who think they are too good for DIII, and expect other schools to rush to extend scholarship offers once they leave the DIII pool.

It wasn't any of those things. His grades were fine, he didn't have discipline issues, and he didn't catch a dose of Brandon Smith Disease. The reason why he left NPU was exactly what I said it was in my post last night: Money. His dad was unhappy with the amount that he was shelling out for his son's North Park education. Mr. Durham's dissatisfaction with the accommodations in the dorm in terms of the school's cost seemed to be a particular sticking point, according to what I was told by the coaches.

Dad didn't know the cost going in? They didn't tour campus before his enrollment?
Most unusual!
Perhaps another case of a parent being more of a pain in the ass than the kid? 

[ILLhoops1]

Chamernik's stress fracture is definitely a set back for the Titans, but they have some pretty good players that can help fill the void.  Sexauer (6-7) and Lawson (6-7) will both be good in the low post.  There could also be a couple of variables in O'Callaghan (6-7) McCullough (6-9) and Connelly (6-9). I have had a chance to see them all play together in open gyms this fall. They are going to be better down low this year than last. They will definitely be competing at the top of the CCIW.

[iwumichigander]

Chamernik's stress fracture is definitely a set back for the Titans, but they have some pretty good players that can help fill the void.  Sexauer (6-7) and Lawson (6-7) will both be good in the low post.  There could also be a couple of variables in O'Callaghan (6-7) McCullough (6-9) and Connelly (6-9). I have had a chance to see them all play together in open gyms this fall. They are going to be better down low this year than last. They will definitely be competing at the top of the CCIW.

Don't disagree; just don't like starting out this way.  On the other hand, I would rather this happen now than midway in the season.  With Chamernik sidelined, it does create an opportunity to develop one or two post players a little faster. 

As Q noted some while back, no starter from last season can relax or take anything for granted.  There are two or more guys competing at each spot.  Each player just need to keep focus on the team, and each individual, getting better and better each game.  With the talent on this team - varsity or JV - any player that spells 'TEAM' with an 'I' might as well learn and practice their "Karate Kid Wax on Wax Off" move.  It's about the most action they will get.

[Gregory Sager]

If Durham "deserved" a scholarship coming out of HS, and his dad didn't like the NPU bill, then why did he enroll at NPU?

Dunno, but his number's probably in the Joliet phonebook if you'd like to ask him.

Durham displayed flashes of legitimate talent - perhaps the kid is yet another head case - the list is long.

He had more than "flashes" of legitimate talent; although he made plenty of freshman mistakes he was a serious force from the moment he stepped on the court for his first college basketball game. And I didn't get the impression that he was a head case.

Dad didn't know the cost going in? They didn't tour campus before his enrollment?
Most unusual!

Like I told Mark, I'll bet that Mr. Durham's listed in the Joliet phonebook if you'd really like to get to the bottom of this.

Bruce Durham left North Park last December. Why are we still talking about this?

The ambiguity stems from the deictic reference of the demonstrative "this" as serving in either an anaphoric or cataphoric function.  That is, words such as "this," "that," "here," and "there" can point back to something previously mentioned, or point forward to something about to be mentioned.

Anaphoric (pointing backward):

I received an e-mail from Coach Thorp.  This e-mail informed me that...

Cataphoric (pointing forward):

This e-mail from Coach Thorp should interest you: he informed me that...

For the discourse analysis wonks who frequent D3boards, you can find more on the subject by consulting your copy of "A Concise Grammar of Contemporary English" by Quirk & Greenbaum (pp. 302-3).  The rest of us will merely return to CCIW Chat.

Here ya go, Mr. B, you've earned it:



Better than karma, I say!