MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Mugsy]

It has been a while and I usually reserve this for the football board but, this is a job for the Karma-Chameleon........+K for everyone on the board for the last few pages!! Come on Mugsy, sing it with me......

.......karma, karma, karma-Chameleon......he comes and goes............ 8)

Arrrrgggghhhhh!!! I just threw up in my mouth.

[Gregory Sager]

HUGE game for North Central and Carthage tomorrow night up in the W portion of the CCIW.
I'm sensing that the winner has the inside track on becoming the 4th qualifier for the conference tourney. The Cardinals can either lament the fact that they would be in 1st place if they hadn't slipped up against Millikin and Wesleyan, teams I'm sure they figure they should have beaten especially after taking care of both in the 1st round of conference play, or they can step up and stay in the midst of the hunt for a conference tourney berth.
So far, no team has qualified for the conference tourney with less than 8 wins. Does anyone feel this is the year a team with 7 wins will do so?

OK D3HOOPS POSTERS---

The above post, obnoxious and controversial as it is (not), has resulted in another -K. I can certainly appreciate this happening in the case of either a senseless (name calling, racial slur etc) post, one in which you have your facts entirely incorrect, in a case where you incorrectly analyze a game which you attended, or in an instance where you make wild assumptions without providing any research/thoughts to back up your assumptions. However, when either hate, jealousy, or just downright ignorance enter the equation then its time to make a change. I understand that sometimes you'll get dinged for having the audacity to even suggest little Johnny, little Mike, or little Billy isn't the best thing the CCIW has seen for years, let alone an All-American. My experience has been in such cases, the person doing the smiting will ding you once and then let it go. But when a hateful coward continues to sneak on in the middle of almost each day or night over a 2-3 week period to smite you for no apparent reason other than hatefulness, then this exercise ceases to be enjoyable and makes you wonder why you are here. Accordingly, I'm sensing AndOne's days here are numbered. I realize no one poster is bigger than the board, and no tears will be shed over the loss of any regular information about anything having to do with one of the conference teams. Hopefully another NCC basketball supporter will step up and continue from where its looking like I might soon be leaving off. Peace,
AO

AO, don't let some small-minded person stop you from adding your valuable contributions to this room just because of something as trivial as karma smites. Heck, there was an antagonistic poster who shall remain nameless who logged onto this site every day for weeks at a time just to smite me; half the time he didn't even bother to post anything. You can't take karma too seriously.

Had there been a tourney then, as recently as 2004 a 7-7 team was all alone in 4th place.  In the 16 years since the CCIW had its current membership, teams would have made the tourney with 7-7 records in 1993, 1998, and 2000 (though these years there were also one or more 7-7 teams who would NOT have made it).  In 1995 and 2002, 6-8 teams tied for 4th, so someone with a losing record would have made the tourney.

But I'd agree that 8-6 will be necessary this year.

After this season it might be a moot point, since there's serious discussion about eliminating CCIW tournaments in all of the various team sports that have them. There's also a lot of talk about going to a basketball doubleheader format next season for league games in which the men's and women's teams of all eight schools would travel together and play back-to-back the way that UAA teams do, forcing the men's JV teams to play on off-nights or in the opening games of possible Saturday afternoon/evening tripleheaders.

This recession is a fact of life. It isn't going away anytime soon, and the league's presidents and ADs are putting everything on the table in an effort to hold down costs and protect athletic budgets.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

HUGE game for North Central and Carthage tomorrow night up in the W portion of the CCIW.
I'm sensing that the winner has the inside track on becoming the 4th qualifier for the conference tourney. The Cardinals can either lament the fact that they would be in 1st place if they hadn't slipped up against Millikin and Wesleyan, teams I'm sure they figure they should have beaten especially after taking care of both in the 1st round of conference play, or they can step up and stay in the midst of the hunt for a conference tourney berth.
So far, no team has qualified for the conference tourney with less than 8 wins. Does anyone feel this is the year a team with 7 wins will do so?

OK D3HOOPS POSTERS---

The above post, obnoxious and controversial as it is (not), has resulted in another -K. I can certainly appreciate this happening in the case of either a senseless (name calling, racial slur etc) post, one in which you have your facts entirely incorrect, in a case where you incorrectly analyze a game which you attended, or in an instance where you make wild assumptions without providing any research/thoughts to back up your assumptions. However, when either hate, jealousy, or just downright ignorance enter the equation then its time to make a change. I understand that sometimes you'll get dinged for having the audacity to even suggest little Johnny, little Mike, or little Billy isn't the best thing the CCIW has seen for years, let alone an All-American. My experience has been in such cases, the person doing the smiting will ding you once and then let it go. But when a hateful coward continues to sneak on in the middle of almost each day or night over a 2-3 week period to smite you for no apparent reason other than hatefulness, then this exercise ceases to be enjoyable and makes you wonder why you are here. Accordingly, I'm sensing AndOne's days here are numbered. I realize no one poster is bigger than the board, and no tears will be shed over the loss of any regular information about anything having to do with one of the conference teams. Hopefully another NCC basketball supporter will step up and continue from where its looking like I might soon be leaving off. Peace,
AO
 

in a move to stimey the slimey efforts of the denizens of the HoF batcave - I am the Karma dragon.

I regularly +K all those who are unfairly "Kept in their place" by the self-inflated Hall of Famers.  And I regularly troll these pages dispensing thanks for contributing to those who freely speak their minds.

As for -K, I reserve those periodically for one poster only - and you know who you are.

I thank those regulars who brought me out of the mirey pit of negative disgrace into the light of positve grace, for those of you regularly keeping others in their place, I figuratively spit in your posturing face.

dgp

+K for everyone - I'm working on OurHouse - but I could use some help.

[wheels81]

HUGE game for North Central and Carthage tomorrow night up in the W portion of the CCIW.
I'm sensing that the winner has the inside track on becoming the 4th qualifier for the conference tourney. The Cardinals can either lament the fact that they would be in 1st place if they hadn't slipped up against Millikin and Wesleyan, teams I'm sure they figure they should have beaten especially after taking care of both in the 1st round of conference play, or they can step up and stay in the midst of the hunt for a conference tourney berth.
So far, no team has qualified for the conference tourney with less than 8 wins. Does anyone feel this is the year a team with 7 wins will do so?

OK D3HOOPS POSTERS---

The above post, obnoxious and controversial as it is (not), has resulted in another -K. I can certainly appreciate this happening in the case of either a senseless (name calling, racial slur etc) post, one in which you have your facts entirely incorrect, in a case where you incorrectly analyze a game which you attended, or in an instance where you make wild assumptions without providing any research/thoughts to back up your assumptions. However, when either hate, jealousy, or just downright ignorance enter the equation then its time to make a change. I understand that sometimes you'll get dinged for having the audacity to even suggest little Johnny, little Mike, or little Billy isn't the best thing the CCIW has seen for years, let alone an All-American. My experience has been in such cases, the person doing the smiting will ding you once and then let it go. But when a hateful coward continues to sneak on in the middle of almost each day or night over a 2-3 week period to smite you for no apparent reason other than hatefulness, then this exercise ceases to be enjoyable and makes you wonder why you are here. Accordingly, I'm sensing AndOne's days here are numbered. I realize no one poster is bigger than the board, and no tears will be shed over the loss of any regular information about anything having to do with one of the conference teams. Hopefully another NCC basketball supporter will step up and continue from where its looking like I might soon be leaving off. Peace,
AO

   

As someone might text "OMG, ROTFLOL,"  This is a joke right.  +K to you for making me laugh

[iwumichigander]

Pantagraph article on tonight's IWU-NPU game...

http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2009/02/11/usports/doc49924b29ea27d121213652.txt

"Anytime you play at the 'Crackerbox' you better be ready to play," Rose said of North Park's cozy confines.

And you need a cardiac team on site - while IWU holds a 7-3 record at the "crackerbox" it did not come easy - Games decided by 1 Point (2); by 2 Pts (2); by 3 pts (1); by OT (1) with NPU winning 2 of those 6 tightly contested battles; and, the Titans have lost the last two contests in the 'box' to NPU's credit

[79jaybird]

Elmhurst better be ready to play and bring their "A" game tonight.  To be honest I am very worried about tonight's game.  They have not looked good recently and have inconsistent at best. 
They cannot go into tonight's game thinking Wheaton's a pushover. 

The real key IMO is which Elmhurst team is going to show up and individually Chris Childs/Dustin Bainter.  Childs was on fire in Wheaton which took the heat off of Ruch down low.  Point guard play has been the barometer of EC this year.

I think Elmhurst's schedule is favorable, however that's what worries me.  They seem to stumble against teams they (should) beat. 

[Dennis_Prikkel]

While I may be the self-anointed Karma Dragon.   

I am not Carmen Dragon, nor is he conducting the Paramus Philharmonic at my daughter's wedding this summer.

Serpentine.

dgp

[Naperick]

Elmhurst better be ready to play and bring their "A" game tonight.  To be honest I am very worried about tonight's game.  They have not looked good recently and have inconsistent at best. 
They cannot go into tonight's game thinking Wheaton's a pushover. 

The real key IMO is which Elmhurst team is going to show up and individually Chris Childs/Dustin Bainter.  Childs was on fire in Wheaton which took the heat off of Ruch down low.  Point guard play has been the barometer of EC this year.

I think Elmhurst's schedule is favorable, however that's what worries me.  They seem to stumble against teams they (should) beat. 

Excellent post!  I agree that point guard play is the barometer for Elmhurst.  I have a feeling Wheaton is back to their early January form and will be tough to beat tonight.

[Gregory Sager]

Pantagraph article on tonight's IWU-NPU game...

http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2009/02/11/usports/doc49924b29ea27d121213652.txt

"Anytime you play at the 'Crackerbox' you better be ready to play," Rose said of North Park's cozy confines.

And you need a cardiac team on site - while IWU holds a 7-3 record at the "crackerbox" it did not come easy - Games decided by 1 Point (2); by 2 Pts (2); by 3 pts (1); by OT (1) with NPU winning 2 of those 6 tightly contested battles; and, the Titans have lost the last two contests in the 'box' to NPU's credit

... none of which is relevant to tonight's game.

The Vikings just cannot put it together this season. The inconsistency of youth is one thing, but losing primary outside scoring option Clayton Cahill to a torn thigh muscle was a blow from which NPU has not recovered. The unfortunate truth is that you just don't know what to expect from Nick Williams on any given night, while Roshawn Russell and Phil Schniedermeier are still feeling their way into their roles. Aside from Russell, the five other frosh who've been a part of the rotation at one time or another over the past two months (D.J. Cooper, Joel Benson, Emmanuel Crosby, Ryan Beigie, and Issa Avery) have only played well in occasional spurts. For the most part, those freshmen have been in way over their heads in CCIW play this season -- and it's not as though sophomores Schniedermeier, Kendall Greer, and Sean McNamee are seasoned vets, either. Each has accumulated in his career somewhere between a quarter and a third of the varsity minutes thus far that their IWU sophomore peers such as Sexauer, Johnson, and Rosenkrantz have accumulated. Beyond all that, the NPU defense has been absolutely terrible all season long.

I still like North Park's young talent. That hasn't changed. But this team has miles and miles to go before it's competitive in the CCIW. It's going to take a lot of off-season work, and a lot of discipline and dedication on the part of the top nine or ten players, to turn it around as early as next season.

I understand Ron Rose's need to play up his opponent, but the fact remains that NPU is going to have an uphill struggle to stay in tonight's game, much less win it.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

Pantagraph article on tonight's IWU-NPU game...

http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2009/02/11/usports/doc49924b29ea27d121213652.txt

"Anytime you play at the 'Crackerbox' you better be ready to play," Rose said of North Park's cozy confines.

And you need a cardiac team on site - while IWU holds a 7-3 record at the "crackerbox" it did not come easy - Games decided by 1 Point (2); by 2 Pts (2); by 3 pts (1); by OT (1) with NPU winning 2 of those 6 tightly contested battles; and, the Titans have lost the last two contests in the 'box' to NPU's credit

... none of which is relevant to tonight's game.

The Vikings just cannot put it together this season. The inconsistency of youth is one thing, but losing primary outside scoring option Clayton Cahill to a torn thigh muscle was a blow from which NPU has not recovered. The unfortunate truth is that you just don't know what to expect from Nick Williams on any given night, while Roshawn Russell and Phil Schniedermeier are still feeling their way into their roles. Aside from Russell, the five other frosh who've been a part of the rotation at one time or another over the past two months (D.J. Cooper, Joel Benson, Emmanuel Crosby, Ryan Beigie, and Issa Avery) have only played well in occasional spurts. For the most part, those freshmen have been in way over their heads in CCIW play this season -- and it's not as though sophomores Schniedermeier, Kendall Greer, and Sean McNamee are seasoned vets, either. Each has accumulated in his career somewhere between a quarter and a third of the varsity minutes thus far that their IWU sophomore peers such as Sexauer, Johnson, and Rosenkrantz have accumulated. Beyond all that, the NPU defense has been absolutely terrible all season long.

I still like North Park's young talent. That hasn't changed. But this team has miles and miles to go before it's competitive in the CCIW. It's going to take a lot of off-season work, and a lot of discipline and dedication on the part of the top nine or ten players, to turn it around as early as next season.

I understand Ron Rose's need to play up his opponent, but the fact remains that NPU is going to have an uphill struggle to stay in tonight's game, much less win it.

words of truth and not from youth, a light shines in the darkness

dgp

[REDMENFAN]

I'm looking forward to what should be a great game tonight in Kenosha.  Here's the article previewing the game from the Kenosha news. It talks about a new player who joined the team a few weeks back

http://www.kenoshanews.com/sports/carthage_hosts_key_tilt_vs_north_central_4352409.html

[shepherd]

The battle inside between Wiele and Ruch tonight should be interesting to watch tonight. 
Here is a cliché description of The Wheaton Elmhurst game tonight. 
They match-up well size-wise. - They can really light up the scoreboard.- They play an up-tempo game. - They'll be dancing in March. - They play an exciting brand of basketball. - They play above the rim.- They move well without the ball.- They live and die by their outside shot. - They need to dominate the boards. - They need to dominate the paint. - They need to dominate the offensive glass.-They have to pound the ball inside.- They have to block out better.- They have to stop the dribble penetration.- They score a lot of points in transition. - They've been red-hot. - They've been on fire.- They're shooting the lights out.- They're making a living behind the 3-point arc.- It's raining threes. Oh! And definitely heard on WETN "the charity stripe" 
Sadly I'm quarantined at home with: 
Sudden-Acute-Eboli-Viral-Menityphus disease or it may be a bad cold with the sniffles.

[Pat Coleman]

HUGE game for North Central and Carthage tomorrow night up in the W portion of the CCIW.
I'm sensing that the winner has the inside track on becoming the 4th qualifier for the conference tourney. The Cardinals can either lament the fact that they would be in 1st place if they hadn't slipped up against Millikin and Wesleyan, teams I'm sure they figure they should have beaten especially after taking care of both in the 1st round of conference play, or they can step up and stay in the midst of the hunt for a conference tourney berth.
So far, no team has qualified for the conference tourney with less than 8 wins. Does anyone feel this is the year a team with 7 wins will do so?

OK D3HOOPS POSTERS---

The above post, obnoxious and controversial as it is (not), has resulted in another -K. I can certainly appreciate this happening in the case of either a senseless (name calling, racial slur etc) post, one in which you have your facts entirely incorrect, in a case where you incorrectly analyze a game which you attended, or in an instance where you make wild assumptions without providing any research/thoughts to back up your assumptions. However, when either hate, jealousy, or just downright ignorance enter the equation then its time to make a change. I understand that sometimes you'll get dinged for having the audacity to even suggest little Johnny, little Mike, or little Billy isn't the best thing the CCIW has seen for years, let alone an All-American. My experience has been in such cases, the person doing the smiting will ding you once and then let it go. But when a hateful coward continues to sneak on in the middle of almost each day or night over a 2-3 week period to smite you for no apparent reason other than hatefulness, then this exercise ceases to be enjoyable and makes you wonder why you are here. Accordingly, I'm sensing AndOne's days here are numbered. I realize no one poster is bigger than the board, and no tears will be shed over the loss of any regular information about anything having to do with one of the conference teams. Hopefully another NCC basketball supporter will step up and continue from where its looking like I might soon be leaving off. Peace,
AO

   

Hi -- you should consider that perhaps it's another post somewhere on the board that draws a smite. There is no guarantee whatsoever that it's your most recent post.

[79jaybird]

While the Ruch/Wiele matchup inside is definitely one to watch, I think this game is won/lost at the free throw line and specifically pointing the finger at Wheaton.

Wheaton lost momentum and the game by missing Free Throws at King Arena. 

Elmhurst has been solid from the FT line (Ruch mostly) when the game is on the line.

[Naperick]

NCAA Division III Men's Basketball Regional Poll  -  Feb. 11, 2009
Midwest Region                    Overall     In-Region
1. Washingon-St. Louis         19-1         18-1
2. Wheaton (IL)                     18-3         14-3
3. Transylvania                      16-4         13-2
4. Elmhurst                            16-5         16-5
5. St. Norbert                         17-3         16-3
6. Augustana (IL)                   16-6         15-6
7. North Central (IL)               14-7         12-5
8. Lawrence                           14-6          14-6

http://www.ncaa.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/ncaa/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/DIIIMBBRANKING2-11-09