MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Gregory Sager]

In honor of 'dead horses' everywhere:

HOW MANY POSTERS DOES IT TAKE TO CHANGE A LIGHT BULB?

1 to change the light bulb and to post that it has been changed.

14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently.

7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.

6 to argue whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb".

Another 6 to condemn those 6 as stupid.

2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp".

15 know-it-alls who claim they were in the industry, and that "light bulb" is perfectly correct.

19 to post that this forum is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to another forum.

11 to defend the posting to this forum saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum.

36 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best and what brands are faulty.

5 to post pics of their own light bulbs.

7 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs.

4 to post that the URLs are faulty and then post corrected URLs.

5 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy.

4 to say "Didn't we already go through this a short time ago?"

13 to say "Do a search on light bulbs before posting questions about light bulbs."

1 to bring politics into the discussion by adding that {W/Obama} is not the brightest bulb.

4 more to launch personal attacks over their political views.

1 moderator to lock the 'light bulb' thread.
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1 lurker to respond to the original post 6 months later and start it all over again.

5 to assert that it's tough to turn on a lightbulb three times in one season.

Wheaton's Raymond Named 2009 DIII News Player of the Year. "Kent came back for another year of basketball and proved that he is a top player at this level," said DIII News Editor Gary Rubin of the selection. Rubin concluded, "There were many candidates for this award, but at the end of the day we felt Kent was the most deserving."

Did they see Bartolotta play in person though?

Is there basketball outside of the CCIW? 

Only in the pre-season.

There's one in every crowd.

[AndOne]

While I have certainly previously held some opinions contrary to some of our Wheaton posters, I was glad to see Wheaton voted to the 2nd spot in the final d3Hoops poll! If I remember correctly, there have been times (several times?) in the past where the top four finishers in Salem were voted, seemingly automatically, to the top 4 spots in the final poll. I always thought this was ludicrous and only meant, in some cases, that a particular team just happened to get hot at the right time. Much has been made of the "bracket of death," and I think there is some merit to this argument.

In fact, in reviewing the final top 25, while there is room for controversy/discussion in any subjective analysis, I think the pollsters did a nice job with the final placement of all the teams.

From a CCIW standpoint, while Elmhurst lost at home in the 1st round of the playoffs, it is interesting to note they finished 14th in the final poll. Quite an accomplishment considering they had 8 losses which was the most losses of any team finishing in the top 25 final poll. I think this shows both the strength of the Elmhurst squad and the strength of the conference as a whole. In fact, when such things as the Massey ratings are taken into consideration, I'm not sure that CCIW teams like Augie, North Central, and even Carthage couldn't give the last 5 or even the last 10 ranked teams in the final poll a good run for their money. 

[titan2000]

I thought the Lawrence ranking below Elmhurst was questionable, but agree with your early comment about Wheaton.   

Seed the tourney or send the trophy to the Midwest regional.   We could play it in Indy so you could walk it over to save money. 

[Ralph Turner]

Wheaton's Raymond Named 2009 DIII News Player of the Year. "Kent came back for another year of basketball and proved that he is a top player at this level," said DIII News Editor Gary Rubin of the selection. Rubin concluded, "There were many candidates for this award, but at the end of the day we felt Kent was the most deserving."

Did they see Bartolotta play in person though?

Is there basketball outside of the CCIW? 

Only in the pre-season.

+1! for the correct use of the term "pre-season".   

(at least I assume that that is what you meant...)

[Pat Coleman]

I was glad to see Wheaton voted to the 2nd spot in the final d3Hoops poll! If I remember correctly, there have been times (several times?) in the past where the top four finishers in Salem were voted, seemingly automatically, to the top 4 spots in the final poll.

Actually, aside from the national champion getting the No. 1 spot, our voters are very good at not automatically giving anyone anything.

[titan2000]

I noticed that the voters gave North Park no respect again, not including them in the Top 25.   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um2Lxambevc

[CCIW]

Ha!  Since I have sons at both Wheaton and MIT, I actually HAVE seem both  Bartolotta and Raymond play in person more than once.  Raymond is an overall better player.  I have no dog in the fight, but I did play college basketball and have been around the game a bit.  Competition is much stronger in CCIW and that makes a lot of difference in how a player develops.  Nothing against Bartolotta, just positive about Raymond. 

[Gregory Sager]

This probably won't mean much to the CCIW, since the program isn't very good, it doesn't play often against CCIW teams, nor does it compete much with CCIW programs for prospects, but it was announced today that IIT is dropping basketball.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

This probably won't mean much to the CCIW, since the program isn't very good, it doesn't play often against CCIW teams, nor does it compete much with CCIW programs for prospects, but it was announced today that IIT is dropping basketball.

surprised it took this long

[Titan Q]

This is a kid quite a few CCIW teams were on...

http://www.chicagohoops.com/articles1/senechalle.html

[Mr. Ypsi]

Q, thanks for the update on Zach Freeman's pro career (on the All Americans thread, for those interested).  Thought I'd bring this post back to 'CCIW Chat ' - is Keelan still playing?  Any news?

[Titan Q]

Q, thanks for the update on Zach Freeman's pro career (on the All Americans thread, for those interested).  Thought I'd bring this post back to 'CCIW Chat ' - is Keelan still playing?  Any news?

Keelan only played one season in Spain.  He's been gainfully employed in the "real world" for over 2 years now.

Little sister is carrying on the family D3 tradition though, as a Pointer...

http://athletics.uwsp.edu/roster.aspx?path=softball&;

[Above The Rim]

I would like to see the national POY somehow awarded through a vote by the players themselves. something just seems wrong to have men with little to no real athletic ability sitting in judgement of others that do. Kent's character was defamed earlier in the season by someone who could not even stand in his shadow let alone posess the kind of althletic ability that Kent has. I am without a doubt that his chances for POY were poisoned by certain posters whining about Kent.

and yes,  -k

Wheaton Thunder---

Are you talking about men who
a) Never had any or even a little athletic ability or,
b) Had some in their younger years, but have now lost all or most of it

And are you talking basketball ability or ability in any other sport? Is a skilled football player automatically familiar with the intricacies of the game of basketball? If I played DIII basketball 30 years ago, am I qualified to sit in judgment about a current player's ability? How about if I played 30 years ago, but currently follow the game very closely? My athletic ability has certainly declined, but my knowledge of the game has increased. Am I qualified to judge based on my current level of knowledge, or am I disqualified because I can no longer play above the rim? I can, however, still bank the 3 ball!   

[AndOne]

This is a kid quite a few CCIW teams were on...

http://www.chicagohoops.com/articles1/senechalle.html

Although Senechalle was pursued by several CCIW teams as TQ indicates, there was not really much chance of him landing in the CCIW or anywhere in DIII for that matter. He would have been a boarder line admit at most CCIW schools. With regard to DIII in general, he is a "big" who does have some ability, but he always considered himself too good for DIII. Perhaps his self assessment was correct as he was indeed offered and accepted at the DII level. Of the players mentioned in the article, Harger scored 38 points all season, and Dantzler is no longer listed on Parkside roster. Parkside finished 7-20 this season so perhaps the best place for some of their players would have been DIII.

We see this frequently. Players who could be stars at the DIII level end up going higher--especially "bigs"---and end up never being heard from again as they languish at the end of of a DII, or even a DI bench. Although from a family and financial standpoint, it certainly is difficult to pass on a scholarship offer, especially in these difficult economic times.

**While we're on the subject----EXPECT to see some other players, heavily
pursued this season by several CCIW and other midwestern DIII schools, end up in DII or smaller DI programs. I'm already aware of at least 3 or 4 players who are evidently headed in that direction. All would be great DIII players, but are questionable higher level performers.**       

**Warning---Think twice before commenting about the above. Its already cost me 3 points. Whatever makes you happy Karma fairy!!!!!!!!!

[wheaton.thunder]

ATR

the answer is a)

maybe that could be the answer. d3hoops allows a panel of former d3 all-americans to decide the player of the year! I like it!