MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Titan Q]

At the Shirk Center yesterday, I talked to a reliable source who said that Wheaton's Aaron Garriott is really struggling with his knees and that a medical redshirt this season is not out of the question. 

[usee]

At the Shirk Center yesterday, I talked to a reliable source who said that Wheaton's Aaron Garriott is really struggling with his knees and that a medical redshirt this season is not out of the question. 

When does someone have to make a decision on a medical redshirt in Basketball? I know he played minimally in their first 2 games.

[mwunder]

Here's a mini-trivia question for the board....

Which team in the CCIW has had freshman score the opening points in all 3 games that they have played this season?


Got to see the Saturday night tilt at Tarble between Platteville and Carthage.  A couple of good things that I saw:  1) Carthage's freshman are contributing more than just minutes, they are playing well against some serious competition.  2) The game provided a little adversity for Carthage (foul trouble for the bigs, falling behind early in the second half after holding a lead for the entire game) which they overcame to pull out a win.

Thomson plays very long.  He may be 6'6", but he seems to play longer than that.  He has Rob Garnes-like wing span.

Carthage must get quicker on defense in the post.  I have no idea why Platteville went away from Eric Wall in the second half, but no one on the Redmen could handle him.  17 pts in the first half, 6 in the second.  Bad coaching move?  I think Thomson changed his shot on one possession, but no one else could stop that guy if they would have continued feeding him.  On one play in the first half, he took a pass on the block, spun baseline and went right around Pierce for an uncontested lay-up.  Carthage will have trouble with a 4 or 5 who can score on the block this season.  At least they have 4 bodies they can throw out there and 20 fouls to give up!!  If Wall would have continued to get the ball in the 2nd half, they might have needed all 20 Sat night!

[Titan Q]

At the Shirk Center yesterday, I talked to a reliable source who said that Wheaton's Aaron Garriott is really struggling with his knees and that a medical redshirt this season is not out of the question. 

When does someone have to make a decision on a medical redshirt in Basketball? I know he played minimally in their first 2 games.

I am not 100% sure, but I think the guideline is that you can apply for a Hardship Waiver as long as you haven't played in more than 30% of games scheduled.  In basketball, with 25 games on the schedule, that would be 7...if someone plays in 8, I think that's 1 too many.

A couple years ago, I believe Jordan Delp's achilles injury was in game #7...I could be wrong, but I remember thinking that it was right at the cutoff.

[dansand]

At the Shirk Center yesterday, I talked to a reliable source who said that Wheaton's Aaron Garriott is really struggling with his knees and that a medical redshirt this season is not out of the question. 

When does someone have to make a decision on a medical redshirt in Basketball? I know he played minimally in their first 2 games.

I am not 100% sure, but I think the guideline is that you can apply for a Hardship Waiver as long as you haven't played in more than 30% of games scheduled.  In basketball, with 25 games on the schedule, that would be 7...if someone plays in 8, I think that's 1 too many.

A couple years ago, I believe Jordan Delp's achilles injury was in game #7...I could be wrong, but I remember thinking that it was right at the cutoff.

I think that's correct Q. And it has to be the first 30% of the season. So I'm pretty sure if he plays at all after the seventh game, even if it's the only game he plays in, he'd lose the medical hardship opportunity.

[Gregory Sager]

The NCAA will only accept a medical hardship waiver if, as Bob and Dan said, the player in question only played in 30% or less of his team's games in the season in question, and those games played must be at the outset of the season. Also, postseason games only count as one game total when calculating the percentage of games played (i.e., if Wash U had a player who had missed last season due to injury and was applying for a medical redshirt for that lost season, he would have to calculate his percentage of games played against a 26-game season -- Wash U's 25 regular-season games plus one game added to represent the Bears' postseason activity -- rather than the 31 games that Wash U actually played).

There's also a certain amount of medical documentation required as a part of the process. I remember it all-too-well when Sneed Deaderick of NPU was going through the bureaucratic rigamarole regarding the medical redshirt application a few years ago.

[petemcb]

At the Shirk Center yesterday, I talked to a reliable source who said that Wheaton's Aaron Garriott is really struggling with his knees and that a medical redshirt this season is not out of the question. 

Bob, I have no inside info, but I was at Saturday's Wheaton game.  There was a point, I think it was in the second half, where it looked from my vantage point like Garriott might have gone knee to knee with one of the McMurry players.  He came out of that slightly favoring that knee and looked to be in some pain.  He came out at that point, spent some time rubbing his knee on the bench, and did not return.  I'm not saying any more than that, because I don't know any more than that.....but I did see that much.  Hopefully it was more of a precautionary move than a medical necessity.

[petemcb]

The NCAA will only accept a medical hardship waiver if, as Bob and Dan said, the player in question only played in 30% or less of his team's games in the season in question, and those games played must be at the outset of the season. Also, postseason games only count as one game total when calculating the percentage of games played (i.e., if Wash U had a player who had missed last season due to injury and was applying for a medical redshirt for that lost season, he would have to calculate his percentage of games played against a 26-game season -- Wash U's 25 regular-season games plus one game added to represent the Bears' postseason activity -- rather than the 31 games that Wash U actually played).

There's also a certain amount of medical documentation required as a part of the process. I remember it all-too-well when Sneed Deaderick of NPU was going through the bureaucratic rigamarole regarding the medical redshirt application a few years ago.

Only you would dare to put "rigamarole" in print, Greg.  Don't know if I've ever seen it, and would have hated to have that as my word in the last round of a spelling bee.

[petemcb]

McCrary seemed to do pretty much whatever he wanted Saturday night.  He finished with 29 and 6, I believe, and seemed to be Wheaton's first/best option offensively.  While he doesn't appear noticeably bigger, he plays much stronger than last year without losing any of the smoothness and agility that he showed last year as a freshman.  On his takes to the basket Saturday, against 6'8" and 6'7", he took his share of body blows on his way to the basket and in the air without losing his balance, and finished strong.  I think we'll be seeing a lot of "and 1s" out of him this year.  He was fun to watch.....unless you were a McMurray fan, that is.

[Mr. Ypsi]

pete, I confess to being in the same ballpark as a 'word nerd' as Greg - I frequently use the word 'rigamarole' (though, following Webster's, I spell it rigmarole)!

Zing!

(Sorry, Greg, the devil made me do it! )

[petemcb]

I use it plenty.  I'm not sure I've ever dared to commit it to paper  -  electronic or old-school.

[Titan Q]

At the Shirk Center yesterday, I talked to a reliable source who said that Wheaton's Aaron Garriott is really struggling with his knees and that a medical redshirt this season is not out of the question.  

Bob, I have no inside info, but I was at Saturday's Wheaton game.  There was a point, I think it was in the second half, where it looked from my vantage point like Garriott might have gone knee to knee with one of the McMurry players.  He came out of that slightly favoring that knee and looked to be in some pain.  He came out at that point, spent some time rubbing his knee on the bench, and did not return.  I'm not saying any more than that, because I don't know any more than that.....but I did see that much.  Hopefully it was more of a precautionary move than a medical necessity.

Garriott has been dealing with a pretty serious problem in both knees for several months now I guess.  I'm not sure exactly what it's called, but the person I spoke with compared it to what former Titan Andrew Gilmore went through.  Gilmore had patellar tendonitis in both knees...

http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/patelladisorders/a/patellartendon.htm

Gilmore played through terrible pain with this as a sophomore in '06-07, had surgery shortly after the season, and basically was never able to get on the floor again.  (He was a student-coach as a senior last year.)

Let me stress, I'm not sure if Garriott is dealing with the same thing or not...and I do not mean to suggest he will have the lingering issues Gilmore did.  (Gilmore's case was severe.)  But the person I spoke with (who is very reliable) did make that comparison in terms of Garriott's current knee troubles.  Wheaton and the Garriott's will have to make a decision on this fairly soon due to that 30% rule discussed above.

[CCIWFAN3]

The tendonitis is fixed.  The cure was a procedure that has a 50/50 success rate.  Orthotripsy.  The issue now is torn cartilage in lateral meniscus.  He was trying to avoid surgery until after the season.  The rehab for tendonitis interferred with the meniscus surgery.  He opted to play thru the pain and have surgery at the end of the season.   I guess it's harder than it looks to cut with a torn meniscus.  Two orthos have been consulted.  A third (Chicago Bull's team orthopedic surgeon) will be consulted next week.   Recovery time is 4-6 weeks.  Tough call but still will have 3 years eligibility.

[Pat Coleman]

Pretty sure it's 33%, not 30%, and it's rounded up, so nine games out of 25, four out of 10.

[CCIWFAN3]

Yes..it's 33% ....8.33 games.