MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Gregory Sager]

It might be a worthwhile study to go back over Grinnell box scores to see how often opponents register triple-doubles against the Pioneers. Alas, I don't have the time for that now -- I have two pick'em contests to run!

[Mr. Ypsi]

Tim McCrary with a triple-double: 35 pts, 18 rebounds, 10 assists

The CCIW went twelve years between triple-double performances ... and now it's had two of them within a two-week span.

'course, seeing as how McCrary's came against Grinnell, I think that even our orange-flavored friends out in DuPage County might agree that he should get the Roger Maris treatment for that stat line.

Almost no one (and especially Roger Maris ) deserves the Roger Maris treatment.  I say that as one who 'hated' Maris; my excuse was being a Mickey Mantle fan and a stupid 13-year-old.

[usee]

Has anyone ever had 2 triple double's in the same game? Wheaton was 1 rebound by Carwell away from getting two players with a triple double.

[Gregory Sager]

CCIW overall: 38-21 (.644)

...	vs. D1	0-1
...	vs. D2	1-0
...	vs. NAIA-1	0-1
...	vs. NAIA-2	2-0
...	vs. other	1-0
...	vs. D3	34-19 (.642)
...	... ... ...	vs. non-region D3	1-0
...	... ... ...	vs. in-region indies	0-1
...	... ... ...	vs. ASC	1-1
...	... ... ...	vs. HCAC	4-1
...	... ... ...	vs. IIAC	2-0
...	... ... ...	vs. MIAA	4-4
...	... ... ...	vs. MIAC	1-0
...	... ... ...	vs. MWC	6-2
...	... ... ...	vs. NAthC	5-2
...	... ... ...	vs. NCAC	1-0
...	... ... ...	vs. SCIAC	1-0
...	... ... ...	vs. SLIAC	6-2
...	... ... ...	vs. UAA	1-4
...	... ... ...	vs. WIAC	1-2

[Mr. Ypsi]

It might be a worthwhile study to go back over Grinnell box scores to see how often opponents register triple-doubles against the Pioneers. Alas, I don't have the time for that now -- I have two pick'em contests to run!

I only went through games of THIS year.  MANY players have had a double-double, but only one other had a triple: Kris Miller (of William Penn, of all teams ) went 11-11-11 (pts., rbs, and assists).

[usee]

It might be a worthwhile study to go back over Grinnell box scores to see how often opponents register triple-doubles against the Pioneers. Alas, I don't have the time for that now -- I have two pick'em contests to run!

I only went through games of THIS year.  MANY players have had a double-double, but only one other had a triple: Kris Miller (of William Penn, of all teams ) went 11-11-11 (pts., rbs, and assists).

I saw the same thing. I also went through all of 08-09 and all of 07-08; there were no triple doubles. In fact only 3 times was anyone close, all in 08-09. Wheaton's McCrary was 3 assists away from it last year, Lake Forest had a player that was 1 assist away and MSOE had a player that was 2 assists from achieving it.

[CCIWchamps]

It might be a worthwhile study to go back over Grinnell box scores to see how often opponents register triple-doubles against the Pioneers. Alas, I don't have the time for that now -- I have two pick'em contests to run!

I only went through games of THIS year.  MANY players have had a double-double, but only one other had a triple: Kris Miller (of William Penn, of all teams ) went 11-11-11 (pts., rbs, and assists).

I saw the same thing. I also went through all of 08-09 and all of 07-08; there were no triple doubles. In fact only 3 times was anyone close, all in 08-09. Wheaton's McCrary was 3 assists away from it last year, Lake Forest had a player that was 1 assist away and MSOE had a player that was 2 assists from achieving it.

Seeing that it takes a D3 game like that to make a triple double really makes me appreciate the skill level someone has to have in the NBA to put up similar numbers.  Watching McCrary was fun the other night.  I can't imagine the Big O doing it night in and night out against a bunch of 6'6"-6-10" guys across the board not playing run and gun.   

[OurHouse]

It might be a worthwhile study to go back over Grinnell box scores to see how often opponents register triple-doubles against the Pioneers. Alas, I don't have the time for that now -- I have two pick'em contests to run!

I only went through games of THIS year.  MANY players have had a double-double, but only one other had a triple: Kris Miller (of William Penn, of all teams ) went 11-11-11 (pts., rbs, and assists).

I saw the same thing. I also went through all of 08-09 and all of 07-08; there were no triple doubles. In fact only 3 times was anyone close, all in 08-09. Wheaton's McCrary was 3 assists away from it last year, Lake Forest had a player that was 1 assist away and MSOE had a player that was 2 assists from achieving it.

Seeing that it takes a D3 game like that to make a triple double really makes me appreciate the skill level someone has to have in the NBA to put up similar numbers.  Watching McCrary was fun the other night.  I can't imagine the Big O doing it night in and night out against a bunch of 6'6"-6-10" guys across the board not playing run and gun.   

Our friend from Wheaton was close many times - Raymond was the game in his prime.

[RogK]

While I almost never attend men's games, I do try to catch a Grinnell game once every couple of years and did so Saturday.
First of all, I give credit to Wheaton for scheduling Grinnell; I understand that many teams won't, afraid that playing a wide-open game will screw up their players' mentality or afraid that they'll get drilled into the floor (if they're a lousy passing/dribbling team).
Wheaton definitely can pass and dribble the ball very well and thrived in the fast tempo.
McCrary had a superb game, displaying fine athleticism. When he wasn't at the front end of a fast break, he was grabbing defensive rebounds (16 of 'em), thwarting the 2nd chances that Grinnell typically relies on. His teammates also put out great physical effort and maintained the constant concentration required when facing Grinnell.

[RogK]

I'll add this in reply to CCIWChamps : in the year Oscar Robertson averaged a triple-double (1961-62; 30.8, 11.4 assists, 12.5 rebs), the whole NBA averaged 118.8 points per game and his Cincinnati Royals scored 123.1/game. So there was a lot of running and gunning back then. Plus, bear in mind that the pros play 48:00, as opposed to the NCAA's 40:00.
Robertson's achievements were excellent. But it's generally easier to get a triple-double in a 48:00 game than in 40:00.

[Mr. Ypsi]

True.  But to AVERAGE a triple-double (and solidly in each category, not 'just barely'), even in 48 minutes, is insane.  To me, that is the most impressive season anyone ever had in the sport of basketball.

I've been a huge 'Big O' fan ever since since seeing him (several times) at Robertson Memorial Fieldhouse; U. Cinci was then in the Mo. Valley Conference, and I was a HUGE fan of hometown Bradley U.

[Edit: I've forgotten who the 'Robertson' was (and the Fieldhouse no longer exists), but despite what perhaps ought to be, it was NOT named for Oscar! ]

[pgkevin]

It might be a worthwhile study to go back over Grinnell box scores to see how often opponents register triple-doubles against the Pioneers. Alas, I don't have the time for that now -- I have two pick'em contests to run!

I only went through games of THIS year.  MANY players have had a double-double, but only one other had a triple: Kris Miller (of William Penn, of all teams ) went 11-11-11 (pts., rbs, and assists).

I saw the same thing. I also went through all of 08-09 and all of 07-08; there were no triple doubles. In fact only 3 times was anyone close, all in 08-09. Wheaton's McCrary was 3 assists away from it last year, Lake Forest had a player that was 1 assist away and MSOE had a player that was 2 assists from achieving it.

Lake Forest player was Patrick Hanley I believe.  The last player in the MWC to record a triple double against the system in conference play was Blaise Rogers of Monmouth in either '06 or '07.  So it really does not happen as often as you think.  Too often, the players that are getting the rebounds and the points do not have an opportunity for assists, and vice versa those handling the ball and making the passes do not have a lot of opportunity for rebounds and scoring.

[RogK]

I certainly didn't mean to diminish Robertson's season or career, Mr Ypsi.
I just am not overly impressed by Jason Kidd getting 10 pts, 13 assists and 11 rebounds in 39:00.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I certainly didn't mean to diminish Robertson's season or career, Mr Ypsi.
I just am not overly impressed by Jason Kidd getting 10 pts, 13 assists and 11 rebounds in 39:00.

No problem - I did not take your post as a slap at the Big O.

I just felt like posting a tribute to a guy that has somehow gotten overshadowed by Magic, Michael, etc.

[RogK]

Not to mention John Q Trapp, who averaged a triple-single for his entire career.
I think I'd better get back over to the CCIW women's side.