MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[petemcb]

As a relatively new Carthage fan (good, cheap family entertainment, what can I say), I was wondering why Adam Tolo is so far down the depth chart.  He seemed capable enough to handle 15-20 minutes a game as a backup, but now seems resigned to mopup duty.

1. Welcome to the board, Bopol!

2. No need to explain or apologize as to why you're going to Carthage games. We need more folks in the seats in every CCIW gym!

3. If I had to guess, I'd say that Bosko is relegating Tolo (and Richard Williams, for that matter) to the end of the bench because: a) he can't generate as much offense as either Pierce or Guzman can; b) Pierce and Guzman have developed enough endurance to play 35 minutes apiece; and c) Pierce and Guzman are better able to defend the low post than can Tolo due to sheer bulk.

Pierce looks very promising; Guzman fits in well with this club (i.e., with a Steve D to drive and kick out), but I wonder how he'll develop.  With Guzman's pretty consistant foul trouble, I was surprised that Tolo isn't getting decent backup time. 

How'd Max Cary look on Saturday?  Mono can whip you out for a long time.

I was at that game and I'd say he looked to be all the way back.  He played with his typical whirling dervish freneticism, and was quite effective while he was in.  While he didn't start, he played good minutes and provided a great spark off the bench.  It was hard to believe he had been off the floor for a few weeks with mono.  He's an exciting player to watch.

[petemcb]

*If Carthage is weak, how is it that they are in 1st place?

*Did Ron Rose screw up by not playing The Student Body more against the inside beef of Pierce and Guzman?

*I wonder at what point Bosko felt safe to insert the 7 scrubs who played a total of 16 whole minutes?

*A Luke Radliff sighting?

*All you would have to know to tell you Wesleyan lost was to know Cody Hilton had 15 points.

Mark, I'd say Rose got that one right.  As much as many of the Titan regulars under-performed on Saturday night, I was really surprised by the big guy's ineffectiveness.  I thought this might be his kind of game and matchup, but he was largely (no pun intended) ineffective the whole game.  He looked tired, frustrated.  He got at least the amount of time he earned that night.  It was just a tough night for everyone in green.  Carthage looked really sharp.  They moved the ball crisply on offense and really helped out well on the defensive end.  They looked well-prepared and very focused.

[petemcb]

*If Carthage is weak, how is it that they are in 1st place?

*Did Ron Rose screw up by not playing The Student Body more against the inside beef of Pierce and Guzman?

*I wonder at what point Bosko felt safe to insert the 7 scrubs who played a total of 16 whole minutes?

*A Luke Radliff sighting?

*All you would have to know to tell you Wesleyan lost was to know Cody Hilton had 15 points.

If memory serves me correctly, five of them got in in the last two minutes, right around the same time Ron Rose decided to put in  five of his own.

[petemcb]

*If Carthage is weak, how is it that they are in 1st place?

*Did Ron Rose screw up by not playing The Student Body more against the inside beef of Pierce and Guzman?

*I wonder at what point Bosko felt safe to insert the 7 scrubs who played a total of 16 whole minutes?

*A Luke Radliff sighting?

*All you would have to know to tell you Wesleyan lost was to know Cody Hilton had 15 points.

I watched a lot of Carthage games last year, and have seen Hilton drain threes before.  Five is a surprise, but he is a nice perimeter shooter who may start benefitting from the increased inside presence and effectiveness of Pierce, Guzman and Thompson, along with Steve D having some weapons with which to run the offense and Max Cary and Malcolm Kelly providing options on the offensive end as well.  Carthage becomes a difficult team to defend, which could leave Hilton open more often through the end of the season.  They are a fun team to watch.

[iwu70]

I can assure all you gentlemen that China has very little interest in all the corn in Manito.  (Soybeans for sure . . . ).   They have all the money from 'Merica already, so who cares about Manito mealie pop.  Glad to see it was made clear that the "censorship" being done this time was by Pat, not by the "Great Fire Wall" of China. 

[AndOne]

*If Carthage is weak, how is it that they are in 1st place?

*Did Ron Rose screw up by not playing The Student Body more against the inside beef of Pierce and Guzman?

*I wonder at what point Bosko felt safe to insert the 7 scrubs who played a total of 16 whole minutes?

*A Luke Radliff sighting?

*All you would have to know to tell you Wesleyan lost was to know Cody Hilton had 15 points.

I watched a lot of Carthage games last year, and have seen Hilton drain threes before.  Five is a surprise, but he is a nice perimeter shooter who may start benefitting from the increased inside presence and effectiveness of Pierce, Guzman and Thompson, along with Steve D having some weapons with which to run the offense and Max Cary and Malcolm Kelly providing options on the offensive end as well.  Carthage becomes a difficult team to defend, which could leave Hilton open more often through the end of the season.  They are a fun team to watch.

Slight correction, Pete. They are a fun team to watch if you're a Carthage fan. They are a good team to watch if you are on the other side, but not much fun. 

[Titan Q]

A lot on the line tonight in the CCIW and, as always, home teams are in "must win" mode...


Carthage (7-1) @ Wheaton (5-3) - with a loss tonight, Wheaton would start to get in some trouble in terms of the conference tournament...the Thunder have some tough games left.  (The battle for a 2 or 3 seed, vs a 4 seed, in the conference tournament is also significant...never want to play the host in their gym on Friday night.)  From a Carthage perspective, this is a chance to get in firm command of the conference championship race with 5 to go.


Augustana (5-3) @ North Park (4-4) - neither team can afford to lose this game in reality, but it seems like more of an "absolute must win" for NPU.  Augie will have 4 of 5 remaining at home after this one.  A loss tonight would put North Park in bad position in terms of making the conference tournament field.


North Central (3-5) @ Ill. Wesleyan (6-2) - a must win for the Titans at home as they look to bounce back from the beating in Kenosha.  NCC is fresh off a good win at home over Wheaton.


Millikin (2-6) @ Elmhurst (0-8) - this might be EC's best chance to get in the win column in 2010.

[CCIWFAN3]

G.S.....come on...Out of Control!

[rknuppel]

So this is literally the first time I've logged in here in over 2 years I think.  It's been a while.  Some thoughts...

1) Great to see a lot of the same faces following d3hoops.  Wish I have kept up with it better but time just hasn't allowed.

2) What in THE WORLD is wrong with Elmhurst?  No wins in conference?  Seriously?  Did they quit recruiting for 2-3 years or something?  To see them shooting like 15% from 3 pointers just makes me mad!

3) Consider this post some karma for the Bluejays getting a win tonight.  I'll take all the credit later tonight after they come away with the "W"!  lol...

So what else is new?

[usee]

OC= Out of Control?

hmmmm. Me thinks you need additional training grasshopper. 

(hint: 2 letter acronym's usually require similar number of words)

[CCIWFAN3]

Training for this website maybe...yes

[usee]

So this is literally the first time I've logged in here in over 2 years I think.  It's been a while.  Some thoughts...

1) Great to see a lot of the same faces following d3hoops.  Wish I have kept up with it better but time just hasn't allowed.

2) What in THE WORLD is wrong with Elmhurst?  No wins in conference?  Seriously?  Did they quit recruiting for 2-3 years or something?  To see them shooting like 15% from 3 pointers just makes me mad!

3) Consider this post some karma for the Bluejays getting a win tonight.  I'll take all the credit later tonight after they come away with the "W"!  lol...

So what else is new?

One thought on this and recruiting more generally that I have tossed around via PM w Sager and a couple others is the notion that the recent economic recession is affecting the ability to get talent for D3. It is obvious the amount of tuition has gone up but the amount of available financing for college has significantly decreased. This has to have a limiting effect on the available talent pool. I would think all schools will suffer from this but schools that have traditionally relied on students obtaining significant financing would be diproportionately affected. In addition, the amount a family is able to afford for  college has decreased which exacerbates the issue on available credit as more families can't afford to pay and have to rely on borrowing, which is not available.

On the flip side the benefactors will likely be the state schools. Just some food for thought

[Viking Blue]

So this is literally the first time I've logged in here in over 2 years I think.  It's been a while.  Some thoughts...

1) Great to see a lot of the same faces following d3hoops.  Wish I have kept up with it better but time just hasn't allowed.

2) What in THE WORLD is wrong with Elmhurst?  No wins in conference?  Seriously?  Did they quit recruiting for 2-3 years or something?  To see them shooting like 15% from 3 pointers just makes me mad!

3) Consider this post some karma for the Bluejays getting a win tonight.  I'll take all the credit later tonight after they come away with the "W"!  lol...

So what else is new?

One thought on this and recruiting more generally that I have tossed around via PM w Sager and a couple others is the notion that the recent economic recession is affecting the ability to get talent for D3. It is obvious the amount of tuition has gone up but the amount of available financing for college has significantly decreased. This has to have a limiting effect on the available talent pool. I would think all schools will suffer from this but schools that have traditionally relied on students obtaining significant financing would be diproportionately affected. In addition, the amount a family is able to afford for  college has decreased which exacerbates the issue on available credit as more families can't afford to pay and have to rely on borrowing, which is not available.

On the flip side the benefactors will likely be the state schools. Just some food for thought

As a high school teacher and coach at an area school which is primarily blue-collar, I couldn't agree with you more.

Being a former North Park studen-athlete, I would love to send my players in that direction.  However, the reality of it is that MANY of our parents are out of work, and have been for quite a while.  It's difficult for me to look these kids and their parents in the eye and honestly convince them that the huge tuition difference between North Park (or any other private school) and two years at Triton is worth it for them....

[Viking Blue]

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As a high school teacher...

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Of course I mentioned being a teacher, then proceeded to submit a post with a spelling error.  Go figure.

[Titan Q]

One thought on this and recruiting more generally that I have tossed around via PM w Sager and a couple others is the notion that the recent economic recession is affecting the ability to get talent for D3. It is obvious the amount of tuition has gone up but the amount of available financing for college has significantly decreased. This has to have a limiting effect on the available talent pool. I would think all schools will suffer from this but schools that have traditionally relied on students obtaining significant financing would be diproportionately affected. In addition, the amount a family is able to afford for  college has decreased which exacerbates the issue on available credit as more families can't afford to pay and have to rely on borrowing, which is not available.

I actually had a similar conversation with Bosko at the Shirk Center a few weeks ago during the IWU/Carthage women's game.  I think I said something like, "It seems like a larger % of the really good small college prospects - the kind that IWU and others could get in on in the past - are going the scholarship route now compared to 10 and even 5 years ago."  (Kids like Adam Dauksas, Keelan Amelianovich, and Zach Freeman, using a few former Titans as examples.) 

Bosko said, "Your alma mater has surpassed the magic number - $40,000 per year.  And we (Carthage) are very close.  40 gets to be a game-changer." 

I follow the Illinois recruiting scene pretty closely - even now that I live in Missouri.  It just seems to me that a lot of kids who used to end up at CCIW schools are now going the low-D1, D2, and NAIA routes.  I have no hard evidence to back this up, but I think it's right.


(Bosko and I also discussed Greg Sager's new career as a broadcaster...that was equally as entertaining of a 5 minutes!)