MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Titan Q]

"A large percentage of recruit visits to CCIW games happen on Saturdays."
"It sees to me like that there are plenty of Saturday home conference games to get the recruits in."
"I aagree on all points."
"Q's comment that Saturdays are likely to be vastly more important than Tuesdays/Wednesdays sounds intuitively right to me."

Au contraire messieurs!

Lets examine TQ's assertions that a "large percentage" of CCIW recruit visits occur on Saturdays and "there are plenty of Sat. home conference games to get the recruits in," using his beloved Illinois Wesleyan Titans as an example.
The Wesleyan 2011-2012 schedule shows a TOTAL of FIVE Saturday home games, with only THREE being CCIW games. This qualifies as a "large percentage" of Saturdays games that allow "plenty" of Saturday home conference games?        
Seems more like a small percentage of games allowing a limited number of opportunities to get recruits in, especially for conference games, on Saturdays. Upon further examination, do these numbers really signify a large percentage and/or plenty of games on Saturdays. I think not.

Furthermore, the number of potential recruits any given institution may be able to host on any given Saturday night will effectively be further reduced by the fact that many HS players wouldn't be able to accept an invitation to attend a Saturday game anyway. This is due to the fact that many HS players are going to have not only a Friday night game scheduled, but one on Saturday as well. In the suburban Chicago area, a majority of HS teams, with some conference exceptions as noted, are going to have a Saturday night game as well as on on Friday anywhere from 1/3rd to 1/2 of the time. This further diminishes the percentage of the limited number of CCIW home Saturday night games a recruit may be able to attend.
Accordingly, it appears strong evidence exists to suggest the assertions that there are "plenty" of Saturday games allowing a "large percentage" of Saturday CCIW recruiting visits are fallacy rather than fact.
Oui?

While you quoted me correctly at the top of your post, you kind of twisted things below that, didn't you?  I said:

* "A large percentage of recruit visits to CCIW games happen on Saturdays."

* "It seems to me like there are plenty of Saturday home conference games to get recruits in."


I did not say that a large percentage of total games are on Saturdays...which you seem to be suggesting.

So again, I'll say...

1)  I think most recruit visits to CCIW games happen on Saturdays (which is the preference of the recruit, his family, and the coaching staff.)

2) There will still be plenty of Saturday home games to get recruits in.  Last year IWU had 3 CCIW Saturday home games (Elmhurst, Carthage, North Park).  Early in the 2010-11 basketball season, I'm sure Ron Rose and his staff picked a couple of those dates to be the big "recruiting nights."  In 2011-12 the Titans will once again have 3 CCIW Saturday home games.  Again, they'll pick a couple and start inviting recruits to those games throughout December and early January.  Same deal as 2010-11.

[Titan Q]

I've updated the Illinois Basketball Services "Small School" and "Large School" all-state lists with commitments I know of below.  Let me know if you have any to add.

[Titan Q]

Seniors from IBS "Small School" First through Fifth teams...

SMALL SCHOOL PLAYER OF THE YEAR:
AARON ARMSTEAD, 6'4", Senior, Chicago Hales Franciscan  UW-Green Bay (D1)

FIRST TEAM:
KYLE ANDERSON, 6'2", Senior, Newark  Delaware (D1)
SAM FORD, 6'2", Senior, Oregon  
JERROD GASTON, 6'2", Senior, Murphysboro  Vincennes U. (JC)
BRAD HAMILTON, 6'1", Senior, Pittsfield  
JAKOB JUNIS, 6'3", Senior, Rock Falls  North Carolina State (D1) - baseball
JOEL LEARNARD, 6'5", Senior, Catlin Salt Fork  Illinois State (D1) - baseball
TYLER MCLANE, 6'2", Senior, East Dubuque  Wayne State (D2)


SECOND TEAM:
KYLE FLOYD, 6'2", Senior, Windsor  Kaskaskia (JC)
HAYDEN HOERDEMANN, 6'3", Senior, Bloomington Central Catholic  Western Michigan (D1)
JENS KENNEDY, 6'9", Senior, Dwight  Quincy (D2)
COLLIN MINGO, 6'7", Senior, Springfield Calvary Academy  Lindenwood-Belleville (USCAA)
DYLAN OVERSTREET, 6'3", Senior, Paxton-Buckley-Loda  
NICK SCHUMACHER, 6'5", Senior, Teutopolis  
CONNOR WHEELER, 6'1", Senior, DuQuoin  

THIRD TEAM:
JOHN AVERY, 6'5", Senior, Newark
PAUL BEENE, 5'10", Senior, Chicago Leo
DEREK BOURKE, 6'2", Senior, Nokomis
DYLAN CRAIG, 6'1", Senior, Murphysboro  Illinois State (D1) - baseball
CODEY FUNK, 6'6", Senior, El Paso-Gridley  Western Illinois (D1) - football
DYLAN GUTHRIE, 6'1", Senior, Winchester West Central
PHIL KUNZ, 6'7", Senior, Trenton Wesclin
BRAYDEN TEUSCHER, 6'2", Senior, Rockford Christian

FOURTH TEAM:
ANDY ADAMS, 6'1", Senior, Orion
COREY AYALA, 6'1", Senior, Metropolis Massac County
SAM BROWN, 6'2", Senior, Nashville
MATT CARLSON, 6'1", Senior, Kewanee
EANN COX, 6'2", Senior, Erie  Kirkwood Community College - baseball
MATT KRAUSE, 6'1", Senior, Deer Creek-Mackinaw  Wheaton (D3) - baseball (basketball?)
ADAM KUNKEL, 5'10", Senior, Red Bud  John A. Logan (JC) - baseball
DAN OLSON, 6'9", Senior, Cullom Tri Point
DRAKE VERMILLION, 6'8", Senior, Beardstown  Quincy (D2)
CLAYTON WHITLOCK, 6'8", Senior, Springfield Calvary Academy  MacMurray (D3)

FIFTH TEAM:
NATE DEVENNEY, Senior, Manlius Bureau Valley
JAKE DEJAEGER, 6'2", Senior, Annawan
MAURICE JOINER, 6'5", Senior, Chicago Leo
ALEX KOCH, 6'5", Senior, Chillicothe Illinois Valley Central
CALVIN LEWIS, 6'5", Senior, Toulon Stark County
MATT MASER, 6'2", Senior, Westville
KODY MICHAEL, 6'9", Senior, Forreston
MICHAEL MURRAY, 6'2", Senior, Princeton  Illinois Valley Community College
CODY OWEN, 6'1", Senior, Chrisman
TERREL WILLIAMS, 5'9", Senior, South Beloit

[Titan Q]

And the seniors from the "Large School" teams...

PLAYER OF THE YEAR:
CHASSON RANDLE, 6'2", Senior, Rock Island  Stanford (D1)

FIRST TEAM:
MAX BIELFELDT, 6'8", Senior, Peoria Notre Dame  Michigan (D1)
WAYNE BLACKSHEAR, 6'5", Senior, Chicago Morgan Park  Louisville (D1)
RYAN BOATRIGHT, 5'10", Senior, Aurora East  U Conn (D1)
ANTHONY DAVIS, 6'10", Senior, Chicago Perspectives MSA  Kentucky (D1)
NNANNA EGWU, 6'9", Senior, Chicago St. Ignatius  Illinois (D1)
MYCHAEL HENRY, 6'6", Senior, Chicago Orr  Illinois (D1)
JORDAN NELSON, 5'11", Senior, Lincoln Evansville (D1)
MIKE SHAW, 6'8", Senior, Chicago De LaSalle  Illinois (D1)
SAM THOMPSON, 6'7", Senior, Chicago Whitney Young  Ohio St (D1)

SECOND TEAM:
TRACY ABRAMS, 6', Senior, Chicago Mt. Carmel Illinois (D1)
MACARI BROOKS, 6'3", Senior, Richton Park Rich South  DePaul (D1)
JAMIE CROCKETT, 6'4", Senior, Crete-Monee  DePaul (D1)
JOHNNY HILL, 6'3", Senior, Lombard Glenbard East  Illinois State (D1)
ROOSEVELT JONES, Senior, O'Fallon  Butler (D1)
FRANK KAMINSKY, 6'10", Senior, Lisle Benet Academy  Wisconsin (D1)
GEORGE MARSHALL, 6', Senior, Chicago Brooks  Wisconsin (D1)
DAVID SOBOLEWSKI, 6', Senior, Lisle Benet Academy  Northwestern (D1)
DONIVINE STEWART, 6'1", Senior, Bartonville Limestone  Bradley (D1)

THIRD TEAM:
AARON ADEOYE, 6'6", Senior, Marion  Ball State (D1)
JACCOBY ANDERSON, 5'11", Senior, Springfield Southeast
D'LANDO CARTER, 6'0, Senior, Danville
QUINTON CHIEVOUS, 6'5", Senior, Niles Notre Dame
DESHAWN DELANEY, 6'6", Senior, Chicago Carver  Vincennes U. (JC)
ZACH MILLER, 5'9", Senior, Lombard (IL) Glenbard East  Northern Illinois (D1)
KEANTE MINOR, 6'2", Senior, East St. Louis  Arkansas (D1) - football
ABDEL NADER, 6'6", Senior, Niles North  La Lumiere Academy (prep)
JOSH PIPER, 6'8", Senior, Champaign Centennial  Eastern Illinois (D1)
MIKE POWELL, 5'10", Senior, Chicago Brooks  Rhode Island (D1)

FOURTH TEAM:
JEROME BROWN, 6'5", Senior, Chicago Morgan Park  Illinois-Chicago (D1)
JULIUS BROWN, 5'10", Senior, Country Club Hills Hillcrest  Toledo (D1)
JOEY MILLER, 6'3", Senior, Charleston  Eastern Illinois (D1)
DAVID MOLINARI, 6'1", Senior, Peoria Notre Dame
KANE SWEENEY, 6'4", Senior, Belleville West  Morehead State (D1) - baseball
KIEFER SYKES, 5'10", Senior, Chicago Marshall  UW-Green Bay (D1)
DEMETRIUS TOLLIVER, 6'5", Senior, Chicago Farragut
MIKE TURNER, 6'8", Senior, Chicago University  Northwestern (D1)
TY NEAL, Senior, Carbondale  Murray State (D1)
DARIAN WHITE, 6'3", Senior, Peoria Central  Chicago State (D1)

FIFTH TEAM:
DAVARIS DANIELS, 6'3", Senior, Vernon Hills  Notre Dame (D1) - football
MIKE DOMBROWSKI, 5'11", Senior, Johnsburg
JAKE EVERLY, 6'2", Senior, Woodstock Marian Central Catholic  Hope (D3)
DAVID FRANKLIN, 6'3", Senior, Belleville Althoff
NIC HOEPFNER, 6'5", Senior, East Moline
NICK HOFMAN, 6'3", Senior, Algonquin Jacobs
RYAN JACKSON, 6'1", Senior, Riverside-Brookfield  Lewis (D2)
LUKE JOHNSON, 6'9", Senior, Wheaton Academy

HONORABLE MENTION:
DREW ANDERSON, 6'7", Senior, Rockford Christian
KORY BILLUPS, Senior, Chicago Crane
DREW BLUMENSHINE, 6'9", Senior, Peoria Notre Dame Illinois Wesleyan (D3)
TONY BRADLEY, 6'3", Senior, Alton  Southwestern Illinois (JC)
KRIS BREWER, 6'4", Senior, Carbondale Brehm Prep  Kent State (D1)
ROBERT CALMESE, 5'11", Senior, Decatur Eisenhower
JEFF CLARK, 6'2", Senior, Marion
RAKEEM DICKERSON, 6'1", Senior, Carbondale Brehm Prep
JONATHAN DOSS, Senior, Chicago Taft
GEORGE EDWARDS, 6'5", Senior, Chicago Foreman
DYLAN ENNIS, 6', Senior, Lake Forest Academy  Rice (D1)
JAMES FARR, 6'8', Senior, Evanston  Xavier (D1)
AHMAN FELLS, 6'5", Senior, Chicago Simeon  Illinois-Chicago (D1)
ARMANI FLANNIGAN, 6'7", Senior, Rockford Boylan Catholic
MARK GILCHRESE, 5'9", Senior, Springfield
KEITH GRAY, 6'7", Senior, Chicago Brooks  Northern Illinois (D1)
DESHAWN GREER, 6'5", Senior, Chicago Hyde Park
LUKE HAGER, 6'6", Senior, Chicago Whitney Young  UNC-Wilimington (D1)
ANDRE HENLEY, 6'4", Senior, Chicago De La Salle  Northern Illinois (D1)
SHAQUILLE HINES, 6'5", Senior, Chicago Harlan
GARRETT JONES, 6'1", Senior, Evanston  New Hampshire (D1)
DEJI IBITAYO, 6'3", Senior, Rich Central  Akron (D1)
WILL JENKINS, 6'3", Senior, Peoria Richwoods
TRAVIS KELLUM, 6'6", Senior, Peoria Central
JACK KRIEGER, 6'4", Junior, Plainfield North  St. Xavier (NAIA)
KISTON LEE, 6'3", Senior, Decatur (IL) MacArthur
TYLER LUNDEEN, 6'6", Senior, Morton  Triton (JC)
BRIAN MADSON, 6'5", Senior, McHenry
STANLEY MALCOLM, 5'10", Senior, Chicago Brooks
DERRICK MARKS, 6'2", Senior, Plainfield (IL) Central  Boise State (D1)
GREG MAYS, 6'8", Senior, Crete-Monee (IL)  UW-Green Bay (D1)
RASHAUN MCGREW, 6'7", Senior, Chicago Vocational
RASHAWN MCELRATH, 6'6", Senior, Chicago Simeon
ZACH MONAGHAN, 6'2", Senior, Fremd (IL)  South Dakota St (D1)
MATT PALUCKI, 6'7", Senior, Park Ridge Maine South  Washington U. (D3)
TYWON PINCKNEY, 5'10", Senior, Chicago Simeon
TREVOR RICHARDS, 6'1", Senior, Breese Mater Dei  Drury (D2) - baseball
T.J. RIGGS, 6'3", Senior, Bloomington  Ashland U. (D2)
REMY ROBERTS-BURNETT, 5'10", Senior, Joliet West  Western Illinois (D1)
LATREE RUSSELL, 6'6", Senior, Bolingbrook
RYAN SAWVELL, 6'8", Senior, Mundelein  Evansville (D1)
NATHANIEL SMITH, 6'4", Senior, Lincoln  Loras (D3)
CARSON SONNENBERG, 6'5", Senior, Belleville Althoff
DYLAN SPARKMAN, 6'9", Senior,, East Peoria  Illinois-Springfield (D2)
TYRONE STAGGERS, 6'5", Senior, Chicago St. Ignatius Prep
WILL SULLIVAN, 6'2", Senior, Elmhurst York
MIKE SUTTER, 6'4", Senior, Woodstock  Trinity Christian (NAIA)
KEIFER SYKES, 5'9", Senior, Chicago Marshall
GREG TRAVIS, 6', Senior, Chicago Curie  Illinois-Chicago (D1)
DAN TRIMBLE, 6'8", Senior, Geneva  West Georgia (D2)
ELLIOT VAUGHN, 6'6", Senior, Batavia  Roosevelt (NAIA)
LETRELL VISER, 5'11", Senior, Aurora East
DEVANTE WILKINS, Chicago Carver
GABE WILLIAMS, 5'10", Senior, Chicago Farragut
JEREMY WOHLTMAN, 6'4", Senior, Effingham
NICK ZEISLOFT, 6'3", Senior, Lyons  Illinois State (D1)

[iwumichigander]

However, even if this is done, a new barrier is created as having both high school and college games scheduled on Tuesdays eliminates the possibility of being able to invite a male recruit to attend that evening's game.

I have to believe, though, that a large percentage of recruit visits to CCIW games happen on Saturdays...when the kid and the parents have plenty of time to do the campus tour, etc.  And when it comes down to it, don't coaches prefer to have kids in for Saturday games anyway (when the crowds are bigger and atmosphere a little better)?  It seems to me like there are plenty of Saturday home conference games to get recruits in.

This Tuesday deal is going to force CCIW coaches to adjust their normal recruiting schedule, but honestly, I think they'll adjust and work around it.  They're a crafty bunch.

Also keep in mind, there are several very successful Division III coaches that rarely, if ever, get to see their recruits play a high school game -- Mark Edwards (Wash U) comes to mind.  Yet these coaches still find a way to evaluate, build relationships, and land great recruits.

CCIW coaches will still have the Friday games next year, and all kinds of other ways to get the job done.

I agree on all points. I think that the bottom line on this move by the league is that it's an inconvenience for CCIW men's basketball coaches, but hardly a crisis. I'd be shocked if it has any kind of impact at all in terms of whether or not any local kid in particular ends up attending a CCIW school.

Disagree with AndOne (again).  The scheduling change is no big deal.  Parity in terms of women and men sport schedules long over due.  Recruit scouting is often done by alumni; and, assistant coaches.  Head coaches don't usually get involved until there is a mutual interest expressed.  As for campus visits, both coaches and recruits will 'find a way'.

[dansand]

A couple more recruiting additions for Augustana:

Alex Dziagwa, 6-9, 190, Brookfield, IL (Riverside-Brookfield HS)
2010-11 (Sr.): 11.7 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 3.4 bpg, 62% FG

*2011 IBCA Class 3A/4A Special mention All-State
*2011 Suburban Life Cook County All-Area
*2011 All-Metro Suburban Conference

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-03-09/sports/ct-spt-0310-prep-bkb-riverside-brookf20110309_1_riverside-brookfield-mycheal-henry-alex-dziagwa


Mark Roth, 6-0, Washington, IL (Washington HS)

Washington HS    GP   FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA   Pct  Off Def  Tot  Avg   A  Stl  Pts  Avg
2007-08 (Fr.)...  5    0-0       -   0-0       -   0-0       -    0   0    0  0.0   0    0    0  0.0
2008-09 (So.)... 25   42-107  .393  37-95   .389   8-11   .727    3  30   33  1.3  24   10  129  5.2
2009-10 (Jr.)... 26  103-276  .373  82-215  .381  37-48   .771   10  46   56  2.2  38   21  325 12.5
2010-11 (Sr.)... 31  128-279  .459  91-201  .453  62-78   .795    9  70   79  2.5  82   32  409 13.2

*2011 IBCA Class 3A/4A Special mention All-State
*2011 Peoria Journal Star Large School 2nd team All-Area
*2011 Pekin Daily Times Class 3A/4A All-Area
*2011 1st team All-Mid-Illini Conference
*2011 ISC City/Suburban Senior All-Star Classic
*2010 Pekin Daily Times Class 3A/4A All-Area
*2010 1st team Mid-Illini Conference

Brother of IHSA all-time 3-point leader Matt Roth (Indiana U.)...His 91 three's this year are fourth-best in school history (Matt has the top three totals) and his 82 last season rank 10th...His 210 career treys are third in school history behind Matt Roth's 466 (!) and Todd Foster's (Purdue, 1993-96) 226.

[markerickson]

6' 9" 190?  I don't recall ever seeing those proportions.

[Mr. Ypsi]

6' 9" 190?  I don't recall ever seeing those proportions.

Have you ever checked out Manute Bol's initial dimensions?  He didn't turn out too bad!

[dansand]

6' 9" 190?  I don't recall ever seeing those proportions.

He's thin, but not unusually so. Google it and you'll find tons of guys listed at 6' 9", 190, including one of the top HS players in the nation, Anthony Davis of Perspectives Charter in Chicago:
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=4930830

Now Terrence Green as a freshman at Augie--HE was thin: 6' 9", 164!

[petemcb]

6' 9" 190?  I don't recall ever seeing those proportions.

Mark, on the slight chance that you're not kidding, I'll include this link:  http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/harpemi01.html.

[petemcb]

.....and even if you were kidding and I took the bait, it's still cool to see a product of this conference with that kind of a bio.

[Gregory Sager]

.....and even if you were kidding and I took the bait, it's still cool to see a product of this conference with that kind of a bio.

Given how often I mention him on this website, it's been jokingly suggested to me that I should make Harps' basketball-reference.com page my computer homepage.

Mark was a freshman at NPC two years after Michael Harper had graduated, so I don't know if he ever saw Harps. But, yeah, the man was skinny. Harps had the metabolism of a hummingbird. He did everything he could, and more, to put on weight; aside from his lifting, he would spend two hours eating in the dining hall every night. He'd have three glasses of milk on his tray at dinner, and he used to bring a jar of Nutriment powdered protein supplement with him to the dining hall. While he ate he'd spoon more Nutriment powder into his milk. It astonished me that in spite of all this he never seemed to gain an ounce.

He's still a trim, fine-looking man now in middle age, but he certainly isn't 190 pounds anymore. Alas, those of us who had hummingbird metabolisms in our youth tend to discover sometime in our twenties or thirties that the hummingbird has died and been replaced by a three-toed sloth.

[Gregory Sager]

NPU put out this press release yesterday about the hiring of Dylan Howard. His first official day of work at NPU is May 2.

[Hardwood]

On IWU recruit Drew Blumenshine...

Once again IWU beats out Augie for a targeted recruit. Atleast it wasn't a position of great need for Augie.

This crap is getting old "Augiefan" -- You pull this stuff every year with Augie recruiting and it is just makes me sick.  While IWU has been good, Augie has won five Regular season titles and three tournament titles in the last 10 years -- Even after your yearling whining about not getting a "Targeted recruit".  So relax and see how things develop over the course of four years instead of immediately waving the white flag you turncoat!!

[AndOne]

Fontbonne University release on their new head basketball coach Steve Schafer, former assistant at NPU from 2004-2009. As most of us here know, Schafer was an assistant at Benedictine the last 2 years. He was one of the finalists for the vacant NPU top job, but never really had much, if any, chance at the job due to one of NPU's requirements being that their new head coach have previous head coaching experience which Schafer did not until now.

http://www.griffinpride.com/athletics/news/3761/