MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

cardinalpride · January 29, 2006, 10:15:16 PM

Quote from: augie moose on January 29, 2006, 07:32:54 PM
where does everybody see augie and the others in the new rankings
augie-5
iwu-7
ncc- 13
elmhurst-24to25??

Seems logical to me.

countrylover · January 29, 2006, 10:17:28 PM

MR. YPSI,

My perspective is that Martin is like 24yrs old and he is playing with a D1 body against D3 competition. He has great court-vison, he is a horse on the boards, he can defend, he can shot, and when he gets the ball close to the paint nobody in the nation can defend him. I really belive that if it's not him being lackadaisical then he is simply not getting enough touches. I did not go to the game tonight so I can't say, but all I know is that he should be touching the ball everytime down the court cause he makes people better around him. You have to tip your hat to Augie they have taken down some pretty tough games.

later on

countrylover · January 29, 2006, 10:23:26 PM

Dennis,

What are your thoughts on the Blue-Jay coaching staff and Martin? Should they be pushing him more so he does not lose interest? Or are they just doing a poor job on getting the ball in is hands?

Gregory Sager · January 29, 2006, 10:28:30 PM

Quote from: dennis_prikkel on January 29, 2006, 10:00:45 PM
I've been around this league for forty years - and quite honestly I didn't know two of the three refs on today's game. Anytime the CCIW sends Dave Lanham out as the head referee its going to be a weak crew.

It's Dave Lanning, not Dave Lanham, and he's one of the best refs in the league. I'm not the only CCIW observer who has made that observation in the past; I know that WheatonC has said the same thing. The other two refs, Lamar Simpson and Dan Dorian, are CCIW regulars. I've seen Simpson at at least two other games this season. He's been around for years.

Brick · January 29, 2006, 10:33:54 PM

Dennis,
Anyone who is going to come out on a message board and tell the whole world that another coach is an (in your words) ass, is more immature than a kid in kindergarden. He is a coach, and whether you like him or not he gets his players to play hard and consistant day in and day out. Honestly who cares if he is yelling instructions to his players while others are shooting free throws? usually that is one of the quieter times in a gym...maybe he feels that it is his best opportunity to get the instructions to his players, or maybe he is trying to get into the shooters head, I don't know what the answer is but I do know this, I LIKE IT. Coach G is intense, his players play hard, they respect him, and they buy into what he preaches (thus the record of 18-1). Get off of his back man....

Pat Coleman · January 29, 2006, 10:36:21 PM

Quote from: AUGIE2000 on January 29, 2006, 10:33:54 PM
Honestly who cares if he is yelling instructions to his players while others are shooting free throws? usually that is one of the quieter times in a gym...maybe he feels that it is his best opportunity to get the instructions to his players, or maybe he is trying to get into the shooters head,

I think you might find a lot of people think that it's not appropriate for a coach to be engaged in the latter.

iwumichigander · January 29, 2006, 10:40:08 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 29, 2006, 10:36:21 PM
Quote from: AUGIE2000 on January 29, 2006, 10:33:54 PM
Honestly who cares if he is yelling instructions to his players while others are shooting free throws? usually that is one of the quieter times in a gym...maybe he feels that it is his best opportunity to get the instructions to his players, or maybe he is trying to get into the shooters head,

I think you might find a lot of people think that it's not appropriate for a coach to be engaged in the latter.

I think you might find a lot of people think that it's not appropriate for a coach to be engaged in the former either

Brick · January 29, 2006, 10:41:48 PM

Thats great if they think it is not appropriate but is there a rule that says the coach cannot yell during a free throw? No there isn't and yes i know your going to say that it is a whole ethical situation that comes into play but the bottom line is and it's the same why I played football...you do what you can to get your team the advatage until the ref tells you to stop or you get called for a penalty. Until Coach G gets a T for yelling during a free throw (which he won't beucase there is no such rule) I have no problem with him doing it.

rknuppel · January 29, 2006, 10:53:32 PM

Dennis,

You are going to have a very hard time convincing me (and probably others) that Martin is not a 1st teamer this year. I understand he hasn't played up to par the few times you've seen him in action. But his stats just don't lie. The kid is a GREAT player:

CCIW Only Ranks (before tonight)
Points - 5th
Rebounds - 2nd (.1 from 1st)
Assists - 5th
Steals - 1st (by a longshot)

And his non conference stats/ranks are just as impressive. Sounds like he carried the Jays to victory on more than one occasion. Most recently IWU at home. I'll start to argue the he may not win POY in the conference this year. But if he isn't a first teamer, something's wrong.

rknuppel · January 29, 2006, 10:55:55 PM

As everyone stated earlier. It's gonna be very tough now for EC to make the tourney via pool C. But they have to be one of the scariest teams in this conference tourney. Especially at Augie where typically Elmhurst plays very well. If the thing happens to be held at the Shirk, well, that's another story.

Congrats to Augie on the nice road win. They are very impressive this year it sounds.

rknuppel · January 29, 2006, 11:04:14 PM

Well... They've made the change to have a conference tourney. Now maybe they'll just make the change and add two spots to the first team. 7 man first team. Doubtful

Gregory Sager · January 29, 2006, 11:11:34 PM

Quote from: dennis_prikkel on January 29, 2006, 10:43:14 PMNow we have GS chumming up to refs as well as coaches - whew - all I said GS is that Lanham is weak - he doesn't call much - likes the exercise - Lamar Simpson made quite a few calls in the first ten minutes of the game and then disappeared in the 2nd half - the other official blew is whistle about five times in the whole game.

No chumming involved. I've never spoken to Dave Lanning, and he wouldn't know me from Adam. Lanning is a terrific ref, and if I see him standing at midcourt when I walk into the gym before a game I know it'll be a well-reffed one.

The fact that you don't even know the guy's name after thirty years of working the table at NPU, and that you couldn't even identify Lamar Simpson -- a guy who is as much of a fixture in CCIW gyms as Ken Faulkner, Ken Maziarka, Reuben Norris, or John Hodel -- means that your credibility on this issue was shot before you even hit the "Post" button.

Quote from: AUGIE2000 on January 29, 2006, 10:33:54 PM
Dennis,
Anyone who is going to come out on a message board and tell the whole world that another coach is an (in your words) ass, is more immature than a kid in kindergarden. He is a coach, and whether you like him or not he gets his players to play hard and consistant day in and day out.

You're confusing his coaching skills with his sideline deportment, Augie2000, and those are two completely different things. To the best of my knowledge, nobody on CCIW Chat has ever taken issue with Giovanine's ability to coach. I think it's universally acknowledged that he is a top-flight head coach in terms of recruiting, game preparation, tactics, and practice regimen. He also behaves like a total jackass on the sidelines, and is widely disliked around the league for his behavior -- not just because he yells instructions when the other team is at the FT line, but because he'll storm out onto the floor ten feet beyond the coaching box, he'll scream stuff that'd make a longshoreman blush, he'll kick chairs around, and he generally acts like the kindergartner you've accused Dennis of being.

Being a winning coach and being someone worthy of respect are not mutually exclusive things (see: Knight, Bobby).

Brick · January 29, 2006, 11:21:05 PM

Sorry for confusing those two seperate entities....however I still feel that using the term ass or jackass while refering to someone is rather immature and that was my main point...however as I said I am sorry for confusing those two seperate aspects of coaching...Whew never knew sticking up for somthing I like would make my karma go through the floor.

Mr. Ypsi · January 29, 2006, 11:42:32 PM

Quote from: rknuppel on January 29, 2006, 10:53:32 PM
Dennis,

You are going to have a very hard time convincing me (and probably others) that Martin is not a 1st teamer this year.

In Dennis's defense (you owe me one, KD!), he never said he didn't. I said that IF Chris Martin's stats v. Augie were more due to CM than to Augie's defense, then CM should be placed in Jon Stevens' category (POY talent; coaches knocking him off even first team due to sloth/inconsistency). Please note the 'IF'. I will be extremely surprised if Chris Martin is not first team all-conference (and mildly surprised if he if not POY), but if he isn't, it is (probably) the Jon Stevens' provision!

I can get a FAIRLY good picture of the CCIW from hundreds of miles away from the cumulative posts, but things like the consistency of Chris Martin's effort are not always clear!

Pat Coleman · January 29, 2006, 11:46:53 PM

Quote from: rknuppel on January 29, 2006, 11:04:14 PM
Well... They've made the change to have a conference tourney. Now maybe they'll just make the change and add two spots to the first team. 7 man first team. Doubtful

Put the NABC in charge of it and you can get an eight-man first team.

Oh, except if the NABC ran it then it would have to have one player from each school.