MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Dennis_Prikkel]

D3hoops just posted their mock brackets and has IWU in and bound for Hope.  Wheaton headed for Whitewater and NCC hosting while in a separate bracket from the other two CCIW schools.  Real brackets out at 11.  Good luck to the Titans!  Hopefully they're sleeping in or it has all the makings of an agonizingly long morning til the brackets come out.

With three teams in(maybe) will make for a great week-end of basketball. NCC hosting would be great as well, but will be a parking nightmare on Friday with a huge track meet next door as well.

Which gives the perfect excuse to let Wheaton host.    Plus wouldn't the higher ranked team host?

There is a pretty good chance that North Central ends up above Wheaton in the final Midwest ranking, and thus, seeded higher in the tournament.  In terms of hosting a Regional (rounds 1-2), I think NCC has better odds.  (It is certainly no guarantee that one of the two will host though.)

Bubble team IWU doesn't have to worry about parking at the Shirk Center, of course.  If the Titans make it, they'll head somewhere on the road to play a very good team on Friday night.

If I were NCC, and Wheaton ended up hosting over me - I'd be pretty ticked.

its happened before - and to NCC - in 1985 they got the CCIW's automatic bid in the tie-breaker with co-champ North Park - and then had to play the regional at North Park, losing in the first round to defending national champion UW-Whitewater (who NPC beat in OT the next night) on its way to its fourth championship.

[AndOne]

If I were NCC, and Wheaton ended up hosting over me - I'd be pretty ticked.

Here is the key data the decision (the final Midwest ranking) is based on...

* Wheaton - 18-6 (.750), .570, 6-5 vs RR, 2-1 record vs NCC

* North Central - 19-5 (.792), .500, 6-2 vs RR, 1-2 record vs Wheaton


To me, this could go either way due to Wheaton's 2-1 record vs NCC.  But I suspect NCC will end up the higher seed.  Even though Wheaton was #2 and NCC was #7 just last week, I think in the final poll they step back and say, "OK, here are the teams - what order makes the most sense in terms of Pool C order and seedings."  I honestly think they kind of wipe the slate clean in that final ranking and make sure that what gets submitted is best for the region.

And although Wheaton won 2 of 3 from NCC this season, ranking WC over NCC would seem to diminish the facts that NCC was the outright regular season conference champ as well as being the winner of the conference tournament, which it seems should count for something.
Also, Wheaton's wins were by 2 and 3 points while North Central blasted them by 17 in the tourney final. A total point differential of +12 in NCC's favor. 

[NCF]

Well- you don't have to wait much longer to find out. 

[Titan Q]

And although Wheaton won 2 of 3 from NCC this season, ranking WC over NCC would seem to diminish the facts that NCC was the outright regular season conference champ as well as being the winner of the conference tournament, which it seems should count for something.
Also, Wheaton's wins were by 2 and 3 points while North Central blasted them by 17 in the tourney final. A total point differential of +12 in NCC's favor.

But remember, which team won the regular season title, which team won the conference tournament, and margins of victory are not part of the criteria.  (The official criteria includes the numbers I posted above...which I think point to NCC but could certainly be argued either way.)

[74impala]

I can't imagine NCC hosting no matter where they're ranked.  That facility, while having a cool retro vibe, is a dump.  When it was built, did people not need to go relieve themselves?  A place that seats 2000 having such limited facilities is crazy.  Add in the fact that so many seats having obstructed views because of the posts and I don't see them hosting anything.

[Titan Q]

I can't imagine NCC hosting no matter where they're ranked.  That facility, while having a cool retro vibe, is a dump.  When it was built, did people not need to go relieve themselves?  A place that seats 2000 having such limited facilities is crazy.  Add in the fact that so many seats having obstructed views because of the posts and I don't see them hosting anything.

Official site selection considerations...

The Championships Committee has prioritized the following site-selection criteria
for all championships:
1. Quality and availability of the facility and other necessary accommodations;
2. Geographical location (which may include such factors as rotation of sites, weather,
accessibility and transportation costs);
3. Seeding; and
4. Attendance history and revenue potential, which shall be considered necessary to
assure fiscal responsibility.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/champ_handbooks/basketball/2011/11_3_mbasketball.pdf
(page 7)

[NCF]

I can't imagine NCC hosting no matter where they're ranked.  That facility, while having a cool retro vibe, is a dump.  When it was built, did people not need to go relieve themselves?  A place that seats 2000 having such limited facilities is crazy.  Add in the fact that so many seats having obstructed views because of the posts and I don't see them hosting anything.

Ouch I can't imagine NCC not hosting IF they have earned the right to host. If they have not earned the right to host, they won't. it's that simple

[thunder38]

I can't imagine NCC hosting no matter where they're ranked.  That facility, while having a cool retro vibe, is a dump.  When it was built, did people not need to go relieve themselves?  A place that seats 2000 having such limited facilities is crazy.  Add in the fact that so many seats having obstructed views because of the posts and I don't see them hosting anything.

Official site selection considerations...

The Championships Committee has prioritized the following site-selection criteria
for all championships:
1. Quality and availability of the facility and other necessary accommodations;
2. Geographical location (which may include such factors as rotation of sites, weather,
accessibility and transportation costs);
3. Seeding; and
4. Attendance history and revenue potential, which shall be considered necessary to
assure fiscal responsibility.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/champ_handbooks/basketball/2011/11_3_mbasketball.pdf
(page 7)

All of which would favor Wheaton over NCC...also keep in mind Wheaton's recent history of hosting with tremendous crowd turnout.

NCC had problems accommodating the additional media this past weekend so they would certainly struggle with even more.

[AndOne]

I can't imagine NCC hosting no matter where they're ranked.  That facility, while having a cool retro vibe, is a dump.  When it was built, did people not need to go relieve themselves?  A place that seats 2000 having such limited facilities is crazy.  Add in the fact that so many seats having obstructed views because of the posts and I don't see them hosting anything.

Official site selection considerations...

The Championships Committee has prioritized the following site-selection criteria
for all championships:
1. Quality and availability of the facility and other necessary accommodations;
2. Geographical location (which may include such factors as rotation of sites, weather,
accessibility and transportation costs);
3. Seeding; and
4. Attendance history and revenue potential, which shall be considered necessary to
assure fiscal responsibility.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/champ_handbooks/basketball/2011/11_3_mbasketball.pdf
(page 7)

So lets just award tournament sites based on money and the size of a school's endowment fund.
And as far as facilities--Wheaton may have a newer gym, but where are you going to park all the cars that would show up at Wheaton. The campus is in the middle of a residential area and nowhere near any commercial area or municipal facilities.

As Scottish whiskey distiller Sir Thomas Dewar reminded us---Minds are like parachutes--they only work when they're open. 

[iwumichigander]

I can't imagine NCC hosting no matter where they're ranked.  That facility, while having a cool retro vibe, is a dump.  When it was built, did people not need to go relieve themselves?  A place that seats 2000 having such limited facilities is crazy.  Add in the fact that so many seats having obstructed views because of the posts and I don't see them hosting anything.

Official site selection considerations...

The Championships Committee has prioritized the following site-selection criteria
for all championships:
1. Quality and availability of the facility and other necessary accommodations;
2. Geographical location (which may include such factors as rotation of sites, weather,
accessibility and transportation costs);
3. Seeding; and
4. Attendance history and revenue potential, which shall be considered necessary to
assure fiscal responsibility.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/champ_handbooks/basketball/2011/11_3_mbasketball.pdf
(page 7)

All of which would favor Wheaton over NCC...also keep in mind Wheaton's recent history of hosting with tremendous crowd turnout.

NCC had problems accommodating the additional media this past weekend so they would certainly struggle with even more.

And, the "silent criteria" - Did your school apply to be a host?
AQ tend to get picked as host over Pool C ; when a Pool C gets picked over an AQ usually site criteria #2 and #3 come into play (not necessarily #1); site criteria #4 usually does not come into play until the later rounds.
And last, compared to a few other round one sites I have been to over the years - The Hangar would be considered a superior facility!

[thunder38]

NCC headed to Wash U to face Rose Hulman

[74impala]

IWU is going to Hope.

[thunder38]

IWU headed to Hope to face UW- Stevens Point

[thunder38]

Wheaton to UW-River Falls to face Gustavus Adolphus

[robertgoulet]

Congrats to the 3 CCIW entries. Let's make some noise!