MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[augievike93]

OOOhhh.  I bumped a Karma point.  It must have been that rider I put on Miss Piggy's policy.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I've been out selling insurance all day.  It's off to feed the pigs.

That one made me chuckle... not because you said it, but because it's true!


(... cept for the pigs part, probably...)

I just got some pigs insured today, does that count for anything?

Are the insuyrance premiums higher if they are destined to be smoked hams?

[Stat]

The actuaries say the pigs are rated in the following order:

Standard:  Pork Loin

Substandards:  Ham

                          Bacon

                           Hot Dogs

[iwumichigander]

 *THe SLIAC tournament, whether it was a blimp in a straight line last year or normal for the Sliac that a 6-8 team or a 7-7 team would make the tournament,  I don't see a team getting into the tournament with less than a .500, and I would prefer a team with at least a 8-6 record.  Therefore I am operating on the 8-6 record ruler.

Bluemom -  The SLIAC gets an automatic qualifier (since 1995?)coming out of their conference tournament held since 1991 (just after the SLIAC was formed in I think 1990?) with the except of 2000 - 2004 when the tournament was discontinued.  Not the strongest conference, the SLIAC teams do tend to beat on each other but remain challenged outside of the conference 'in region play'.  Since 1995, the SLIAC teams are 0 - 8 in NCAA National Tournament.

From a CCIW perspective, if you gotta play in the first round game , a SLIAC team is not a bad draw.

The conference is adding next year Eureka College (from the NIIC conference) and Lincoln Christian College (which is currently in the NCCAA)

[The Roop]

Eureka AND Lincoln Christian. The CCIWs days as a power conference in the midwest are numbered.

[augiefan]

Based on the quality of today's posts, in which discussion of DP's backside was the high point, I don't know if I can take another two days of such discussions until there are actual games to discuss.

[augiefan]

By the way to assume any of the remaining games are sure victories for Augie or anyone else in the conference is absurd. Those who make such statements apparently have not been watching the conference games played to date. Even the 2nd division teams have each had their nights to shine, and there have been many near misses.

[robberki]

I nominate Pistol's post for "post of the year"...and he owes me a new keyboard, when I got to the part about the rat I spit my adult beverage all over my computer.

[bluemom]

Michigander,

I just noticed last year that of the eight teams, four got into the tournament before heading, what, wasn't it to Wesleyan or was that the year before.  To battle to get into the Sliac tournament for the great opportunity to play IWU, there was a three or four team tussling for the fourth spot, all near the 6-8 mark , at best the .500 level.

I know the players are playing hard for that fnal spot and I do not mean to demean their efforts at all.  

Some may feel that such a battle is a "tough conference" or maybe one which is "balanced"(wouldn't it be great if all teams were 7-7, l0l), but to me if you are going to have a tournament for an AQ and include .500 or less teams, why not include everyone.  I believe the CCIW to be a little stronger....but does the NIIC, and the Knox/Monmouth conference suffer the same woes?  

I would be the first to admit when you have an eight team league occassionally the fourth team might have a .500 league record or less, but I would feel crowning a champion a little bit more worthy if the team was a little bit on the upper end of that .500 like 8-6 or .500 + 1:  otherwise give the # 1 seed a bye.

No intent to show anything negative...by the looks of this conference race when your fourth team is at 5-4, the CCIW may not be in any different of standing in the end.

[The Roop]

Sager can probably explain conference tournaments better than I can "Mom". So I will say this. It's good that the CCIW doesn't include every team in the tournament. The MWC is the same way. If an upset or two happens in the conference tournament you are still assured of good representation via the Pool A.

Conferences that invite all to their tournament don't assure themselves of anything. Other than a Pool A for whomever wins. Bad team gets hot at the end of the year and they could possibly knock two teams out just because of the losses those teams would incur. I don't like it. Not sure I like conference tournaments either, not at the D3 level anyway. Who makes any money???

[Titan Q]

IWU is now 11-3 (.786) in the region.  Current QOWI is...

W @ Wabash = 13 pts
W @ Chicago = 13
W @ Wash U = 15
W @ Illinois College = 11
W vs Hanover = 14
L vs North Central = 6
W @ Carthage = 11
W @ Millikin = 11
L @ Elmhurst = 7
W vs Wheaton = 10
W @ North Park = 9
L vs Augustana = 6
W vs Carthage = 10
W @ North Central = 15

Total = 151

151/14 = 10.786

This is a fluid thing - those point totals can change as the teams move into different winning % bands.

Had the Titans lost last night at NCC -
meaning the game was worth 7 pts instead of 15 - their QOWI would be 10.214.  That's a pretty significant difference.  In the last national QOWI run by Pat Coleman, 10.786 would be #16 and 10.214 #35.

A win vs Elmhurst would be worth 12 pts and a new QOWI of 10.867.  EC would at least temporarily fall out of the .667+ band, with a 11-6 (.647) in-region record, so it would not be a 14 pointer. 

A loss vs Elmhurst would be 4 points and a new QOWI of 10.333.  Again, that is a big swing.  10.867 would be #13 on that last report...10.333 would be #31.

[veterancciwfan]

Bluemom: The 4th place team (NCC) is now 4-4, not 5-4, after going undefeated in 9 nonconf. games B4 the league season began. NCC has lost 4 league games by a total of 13 points.

Regarding the conf. tournament: The initial vote of the ADs was 7-1  or 6-2 in favor of including all 8 mens teams in it. But negotiation and conversation eventually led to the 4 team format. The 4-team format of the women's tournament that was already in place may have been a factor. And I think the decision was a wise one. A 5th place team has almost no chance of winning 3 games in an 8-team tourney. And besides, the only logical reason to have any conf. tournament is to raise money, which is hardly a factor in the CCIW unless the tournament ticket prices are sky high. D3 students are truly student athletes, not vice versa. That's another reason to keep the 4-team format intact.

[The Roop]

Plus an 8 game tournament would only fuel global warming further.

No problem veterancciwfan, I said what you meant. Now lets throw some pots and live off the grid. Wooooooooooooooooooooo.

[Titan Q]

Scott Trost was in favor of all 8 teams making the tournament.  His theory was that with 8, the champion adds 3 regional wins and 0 losses (they'd have the AQ of course, but 3 wins might help the seed), the runner up goes 2-1, and the two teams that lose in round 2 at least go 1-1.

With 8 (with higher seeds winning)...

#1 vs #8
#2 vs #7
#3 vs #6
#4 vs $5

#1 vs #4 - semis
#2 vs #3 - semis

#1 vs #2 - title game

With a 4 team tournament (starting with the "semis" above), two teams are going to go 0-1, one will go 1-1, and one 2-0.  

QOWI is also obviously impacted in the tourney.  Based on the current CCIW standings and regional records, the QOWI impact is something like...

8 team tournament:

#1 - H win vs #8 = 8 pts , H win vs #4 = 14 pts , H win vs #2 = 14 pts (3 game tournament QOWI = 12.000)

#2 - road win vs #7 = 11 pts, road win vs #3 = 15 pts, road loss vs #1 = 7 pts (3 game tournament QOWI = 11.000 )

#3 - road win vs #6 = 11 pts, road loss to #2 = 7 pts
(2 game tournament QOWI = 9.000 )

#4 - road win vs #5 = 11 pts, road loss to #1 = 7 pts
(2 game tournament QOWI = 9.000)


Contrast with 4 team QOWI impact...

#1 - H win vs #4 = 14 pts, H win vs #2 = 14 pts
(2 game tournament QOWI = 14.000)

#2 - road win vs #3 = 15 pts, Road loss vs #1 = 7
(2 game tournament QOWI = 11.000)

#3 - road loss vs #2 = 7 pts

#4 - road loss vs #1 = 7 pts



So on paper, if you're really trying to help the Pool C position of 2, 3, and 4, you could certainly argue that the 8-team tournament is better - these teams come out better in regional winning % and probably just as good or better in QOWI.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Over on the NCAC board, they are talking about fans getting to vote for the cousy award (best point guard in the country) - they are lobbying for Kyle Witucky of Wooster (of course).  But the OTHER d3 player nominated is Adam Dauksas.  The odds-on favorite to win the award is Dee Brown, but Adam WHUPPED him in the exhibition game!  Let's support the CCIW guy!!

The place to cast votes is www.cousyaward.com.  (I don't know how to make that a click-and-go post; sorry!)  Since the site gave NO feedback, I just cast 10 votes for Adam, or 1 with the others disallowed, or zero if their directions were not clear to me!  (There's a click-and-go on the NCAC board.)

Edit:  either I got the click-and-go right after all, or someone fixed it for me!  It works.