MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Pat Coleman]

I get that AndOne wanted North Central to host the sectionals but such things are earned on the floor year-long, not just handed out to convenient locations. If North Central ends up being 1 or 2 in the regional rankings at the end of the year sometime, they may well host over locations with newer gyms, better broadband connectivity and better parking. But those won't be part of the decision-making process then, either, I'm guessing.

[WheatonFanChris]

Congrats to Tim McCrary Midwest region player of the year!

And to Ron Rose, Jordan Zimmer, Landon Gamble and Derek Raridon.

http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-region/2011-12/midwest-men

[TitansIWU]

Maybe it should just be mandatory that the games are played at a host school that doesn't have a dog in the fight. I don't much care for the home crowd creating an advantage, perceived or otherwise. Even if the Titans hosted, I would still feel this way.

Just make it a requirement that you have to have your schools name in the hat to be available to host even when you are not in the tournament, and if you don't, when you do get in it, you don't play.

Maybe there could be hosting requirements that take into account some of the things that AndOne is talking about... airports, hotels, restaurants, PREVIOUSLY SCHEDULED EVENTS.

I really think the NCAA at the D3 level does a lot of great things, but maybe just needs to just have a little longer vision when it comes to this issue...

Hey, what do I know??? Maybe they are doing it the best possible way for all involved.

GO TITANS!

I agree. But, let's take it one step further. There should be rotating sites for regionals and sectionals. The sites should be set up a year in advance and take into consideration the surrounding area's facilities, hotes, etc. A school could apply on a yearly basis if they desire. Would take all the guess work out of the process and make life so much easier for everyone involved.  Just MHO.

I think you overestimate the interest schools have in hosting neutral sectionals and regionals.

In my concept they have two choices.

1. Sign up to host.
2. Don't play in the tournament the next time you qualify.

It takes the school's interest out of the equation.

I don't like some things I have to do, but I do them in order to be a good, positive member of the community.

Same applies to the schools...

[Pat Coleman]

That's a pretty punitive action, TitansIWU. That's not really in keeping with what D-III is all about.

[Just Bill]

Neutral site regionals and sectionals are not going to happen and they shouldn't. Schools just simply won't commit time and manpower to an event that they are not participating in, unless it's a national finals event (and even those sometimes have trouble finding hosts). With the exception of the NCAA D-I basketball tournaments, it doesn't even work in Division I. All other D-I tournament events, except for national finals, have the host participating.

You can look at D-III baseball for an example. They have predetermined regionals, and in certain regions, the NCAA committee is literally out begging for schools to bid to host. In other regions, there's only one school willing to do it, so they do it over and over.

All you'll get is a crappy tournament environment in front of half full gyms and a staff who will mean well, but won't be fully invested in the event.

I am not 100% sure about this, but isn't that average size crowd for a D3 baseball game significantly lower than that of a D3 basketball game to start with? If I am correct with that, a school has no chance to profit from hosting one of those. So I don't see the correlation being really relevant.

If the school knew in advance they were going to be hosting, a greater effort could be made on their part to maximize all "break even" profit potential. I have been to enough games to see that many schools drop the ball big time when it comes to trying to make money. I'm not wanting to see D3 schools engage in schemes to make money at the expense of the fan base, but there are ways to do it without being offensive. I have been to a game where there was no bottled water for sale? Run to Sam's Club, buy a case for $8 and sell it for $1 a bottle. HELLO??

As for them being out and begging, the NCAA holds all the cards... if they were to make it MANDATORY for participating schools to host, then I am pretty sure the schools would be lining up to get on the hosting list.

If it truly meant that a school couldn't be in the tournament unless they were signed up as a possible host site when they weren't in it, do you really think they would just say, "no, we're out."

As I said, I think they would sign up right away.

As for the crowds being smaller, I don't have an answer for that except to say that I don't think it provides a fair competitive environment when the hosting school practices in their own gym, has no travel, and basically waits for the games to begin.

As many often forget, the NCAA isn't a bunch of people who sit in an office in Indianapolis and dictate rules at the members. The NCAA IS the membership itself. There's simply no way they're going to vote for a system that demands they host when they aren't participating. The hook to get people to host is the chance to play NCAA Tournament games at home. No one is going to vote for a system where they might be hosting four other teams, while their team goes off to play at another site.

I haven't even mentioned the ever cost-conscious NCAA championship commitee. They already do everything in their power to only pay for three bus trips, per site. Now they'd have to pay for four per site, times 16 sites. Not likely.

And what do you tell schools that don't have gyms the meet the standards for hosting? "I know you went 28-1 this year, but your gym only seats 800 people, so you're out."

You might as well be arguing to add 43-man squamish as a varsity sport, because it ain't going to happen.

[sac]

568 people watched a Sectional final on a neutral site Saturday at Wooster.

They aren't happening.

[cciwrabblerouser]

Maybe it should just be mandatory that the games are played at a host school that doesn't have a dog in the fight. I don't much care for the home crowd creating an advantage, perceived or otherwise. Even if the Titans hosted, I would still feel this way.

Just make it a requirement that you have to have your schools name in the hat to be available to host even when you are not in the tournament, and if you don't, when you do get in it, you don't play.

Maybe there could be hosting requirements that take into account some of the things that AndOne is talking about... airports, hotels, restaurants, PREVIOUSLY SCHEDULED EVENTS.

I really think the NCAA at the D3 level does a lot of great things, but maybe just needs to just have a little longer vision when it comes to this issue...

Hey, what do I know??? Maybe they are doing it the best possible way for all involved.

GO TITANS!

i'm fairly certain that the ncaa asks for  potential hosts to  list significant other events going on in the community AND on campus for each weekend of the tournament that you are interested in hosting.  of course, the potential host needs to be honest -- or the ncaa won't be aware of  it.  and i wonder how much scrutiny the  ncaa uses in evaluating the sites.

[TitansIWU]

That's a pretty punitive action, TitansIWU. That's not really in keeping with what D-III is all about.

I don't think the concept is as harsh as it may appear in my post.

If it were something they wanted to do, they could find a way is my only point.

I concede it won't happen.

[NCF]

Sorry to break in, but I thought people here might like this.  It's my 2012 Mascot Bracket.  The entire NCAA DI tournament picked on the basis of "Which mascot would win in a fight?"  http://wp.me/plb5b-w0.  Taken into the DIII Final Four, I would say that the Titans would have a good chance to beat the Cavaliers and I think a War Hawk would take out an unarmed Engineer, but then be easily dispatched by the Titan.

Will be reading your site before Thursday. It is awesome!

[NCF]

While I'm flying to Salem this week, was just thinking today that a few of the best times I've ever have had in following the Titans were the 1996, 1997, and 2001 road trips from Bloomington.  They pretty much looked something like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlCprJPwBSI&feature=fvsr


Salem, baby!  Salem!!!

Road trips are the Best!! I'm thinking of some of my son's wrestling one's that happened his senior year! It's a good thing there is no video! LOL

[iwumichigander]

568 people watched a Sectional final on a neutral site Saturday at Wooster.

They aren't happening.

Correct Sac.  We have been through the above issue(s) before: Neutral sites are not feasible for a number of reasons with revenue at top of list.  Minimum requirements do exist including seating capacity for each tournament round, transportation, lodging, community activities & support; and, these requirements are usually re-visited each year by NCAA and its member committees.

I do think you posters may have identifed two opportunities for review and/or improvement: 1) NCAA must inform the committee at least one week before the start of the tournament of all NCAA sponsored activity (regardless of NCAA Division) taking place in and around a proposed site area applicant, whether or not the host applicant knew and disclosed same; and, get committee site approval when other NCAA activities are disclosed, before offering the host opportunity.  2) All host applicants must update their application one week prior to the tournament start date of any change in previously supplied information whether or not the host applicant knew and disclosed same in its original application.

[TitansIWU]

Neutral site regionals and sectionals are not going to happen and they shouldn't. Schools just simply won't commit time and manpower to an event that they are not participating in, unless it's a national finals event (and even those sometimes have trouble finding hosts). With the exception of the NCAA D-I basketball tournaments, it doesn't even work in Division I. All other D-I tournament events, except for national finals, have the host participating.

You can look at D-III baseball for an example. They have predetermined regionals, and in certain regions, the NCAA committee is literally out begging for schools to bid to host. In other regions, there's only one school willing to do it, so they do it over and over.

All you'll get is a crappy tournament environment in front of half full gyms and a staff who will mean well, but won't be fully invested in the event.

I am not 100% sure about this, but isn't that average size crowd for a D3 baseball game significantly lower than that of a D3 basketball game to start with? If I am correct with that, a school has no chance to profit from hosting one of those. So I don't see the correlation being really relevant.

If the school knew in advance they were going to be hosting, a greater effort could be made on their part to maximize all "break even" profit potential. I have been to enough games to see that many schools drop the ball big time when it comes to trying to make money. I'm not wanting to see D3 schools engage in schemes to make money at the expense of the fan base, but there are ways to do it without being offensive. I have been to a game where there was no bottled water for sale? Run to Sam's Club, buy a case for $8 and sell it for $1 a bottle. HELLO??

As for them being out and begging, the NCAA holds all the cards... if they were to make it MANDATORY for participating schools to host, then I am pretty sure the schools would be lining up to get on the hosting list.

If it truly meant that a school couldn't be in the tournament unless they were signed up as a possible host site when they weren't in it, do you really think they would just say, "no, we're out."

As I said, I think they would sign up right away.

As for the crowds being smaller, I don't have an answer for that except to say that I don't think it provides a fair competitive environment when the hosting school practices in their own gym, has no travel, and basically waits for the games to begin.

As many often forget, the NCAA isn't a bunch of people who sit in an office in Indianapolis and dictate rules at the members. The NCAA IS the membership itself. There's simply no way they're going to vote for a system that demands they host when they aren't participating. The hook to get people to host is the chance to play NCAA Tournament games at home. No one is going to vote for a system where they might be hosting four other teams, while their team goes off to play at another site.

I haven't even mentioned the ever cost-conscious NCAA championship commitee. They already do everything in their power to only pay for three bus trips, per site. Now they'd have to pay for four per site, times 16 sites. Not likely.

And what do you tell schools that don't have gyms the meet the standards for hosting? "I know you went 28-1 this year, but your gym only seats 800 people, so you're out."

You might as well be arguing to add 43-man squamish as a varsity sport, because it ain't going to happen.

I have been arguing that over on the squamish boards for months... 

[iwu70]

Warm congrats to Ron Rose and Mia Smith, regional coaches of the year!  Great job!

And, congrats to Jordan Zimmer on All-Region honors, as well as to McCrary, Gamble and Raridon.  Way to go Titans, way to go CCIW!

Olivia Lett, Jacklin and Brenneman also made All-Region Teams on the women's side.  As is much deserved, Olivia Lett was First Team, All-Region!

Keep it Rolling TITANS . . . times two!!!

IWU70

P.S. Pat, thanks to all the D3hoops team for the good coverage at Mt. Union last weekend.  Much appreciated.  Great job all year.

P.S.S.  In DIII hoops, I think neutral sites are probably not a very workable idea.  Salem is nice for the Final Four, good capacity, and a nice, though somewhat isolated, location. Lovely part of the country, but not exactly "central" to the DIII hoops geographic world, right?  DeVos and Shirk both are excellent locations, facilities for the women's Final Four.  I'm sure Holland and Hope will do a great job for that Final Four tournament, though I'm sure they won't be too pleased to see some more green jerseys coming into their basketball palace again so soon.    ms

[pg04]

In hunting for other original posters with single- or double-digit numbers, it's no surprise that sac is #9 and Ralph Turner is #17.

(This convo happened a week ago but I'm late) I was kinda surprised to see I was in the 1200s... I thought I'd be a little bit higher... but at some point I think I was removed from the board LOL.

I've read this from more than a handful of posters. How do you get removed from the board?

I was a little (a lot) more abrasive on the board when I was a student at my D3 school  .  I think it had something to do with badmouthing the board.  Can't really remember... I'm more refined now 

[Pat Coleman]

I'm not sure you ever were -- one other thing to remember is that people who posted on both boards had their profiles merged and perhaps since you post/ed more on football, that affected how that happened.

Almost seven years ago. I remember the merger being a pain in the rear but don't remember much more of the details.