MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[rpknupp]

I like TitanHammer. I have nothing against him, or for that matter any Titan fan.. Well.... Anyways, yes they were close, probably 25 miles.. But I dont think they ever played each other..

[gdog83]

I spoke with one of the refs after the IWU/EC game last night and asked him if he was surprised that EC did not foul at the end of regulation.  He said that Sherer told the refs coming out of the timeout that they were going to foul and not allow a shot.  Looked to me that there were plenty of opportunities to take a foul and for whatever reason the players just could not/would not execute the plan.

[titanhammer]

Those in the Bloomington area can watch the end of the IWU/EC game right now...about 8 minutes left on the local cable channgel (5).

[cardinalpride]

This is a question mostly because I'm not real knowledgeable about how the Pool C's work, but Elmhurst is in 3rd place.  How can NC  who is below EC in the standings, have a better shot at a Pool C when they are behind a school that's in 3rd.  That, and Elmhurst beat NC in Naperville.  Could somebody explain?

Currently:  NC is 10 - 4 In Region versus Elmhurst 11 - 6 In Region  and  the Elmhurst QOWI @ 9.059 lower than NC @ 9.929;  so a better In Region W/L with higher QOWI gives NC the current advantage.  The In Region losses to Hope and UW-Plattville really hurt Elmhurst particulalry with UW-Plattville @ .529 Pct In Region (below .667 hurts in QOWI). 

Beyond all that, since you used NC & ELmhurst let's say either Augustana or IWU wins the CCIW Tournament, thus the AQ.  NC and Elmhurst sit behind either team in terms of In Region or QOWI.  As I understand it, a Region can only offer up one team at a time for consideration.  Go beyond all that, sitting "at the table" on selection day are 7 other region each with their best In Region & QOWI Pool C Candidate competing for a limited number of slots. 

For the record, NCC QOWI is at 10.071.

[cardinalpride]

Here are the updated QOWI numbers:

Augustana   11.333
IWU             10.733
NCC              9.929
Elmhurst       9.059


I hope these are correct.  Elmhurst's loss last night drops them below .667 so that took some points away from Augie, IWU, & NCC.

Elmhurst is done for Pool C chances barring some miracle where all the other top teams in the nation start losing to the bottom teams.  Atleast they still got the chance at the A.

IWU is in pretty good shape with their QOWI and with a 12-3 in region record.

If NCC wins out, they will be in good Pool C shape most likely w/ a 15-4 in-region and a QOWI of somewhere b/w 10.000 and 10.500...Losing one of those before the tourney would drop the QOWI closer to 10 or just below.

NCC QOWI is at 10.071.

[augie_superfan]

Here are the updated QOWI numbers:

Augustana   11.333
IWU             10.733
NCC              9.929
Elmhurst       9.059


I hope these are correct.  Elmhurst's loss last night drops them below .667 so that took some points away from Augie, IWU, & NCC.

Elmhurst is done for Pool C chances barring some miracle where all the other top teams in the nation start losing to the bottom teams.  Atleast they still got the chance at the A.

IWU is in pretty good shape with their QOWI and with a 12-3 in region record.

If NCC wins out, they will be in good Pool C shape most likely w/ a 15-4 in-region and a QOWI of somewhere b/w 10.000 and 10.500...Losing one of those before the tourney would drop the QOWI closer to 10 or just below.

NCC QOWI is at 10.071.

You may be right...I just update my spreadsheet w/ games through Saturday night.  Did you make sure to check the change in the other teams' regional records?  Because Loras dropped one slot along with Elmhurst and Benedictine went up one so they actually lost 2 total points from previous games.

Our numbers are off by 2 points....so I dont know.

[cardinalpride]

Here are the updated QOWI numbers:

Augustana   11.333
IWU             10.733
NCC              9.929
Elmhurst       9.059


I hope these are correct.  Elmhurst's loss last night drops them below .667 so that took some points away from Augie, IWU, & NCC.

Elmhurst is done for Pool C chances barring some miracle where all the other top teams in the nation start losing to the bottom teams.  Atleast they still got the chance at the A.

IWU is in pretty good shape with their QOWI and with a 12-3 in region record.

If NCC wins out, they will be in good Pool C shape most likely w/ a 15-4 in-region and a QOWI of somewhere b/w 10.000 and 10.500...Losing one of those before the tourney would drop the QOWI closer to 10 or just below.

NCC QOWI is at 10.071.

You may be right...I just update my spreadsheet w/ games through Saturday night.  Did you make sure to check the change in the other teams' regional records?  Because Loras dropped one slot along with Elmhurst and Benedictine went up one so they actually lost 2 total points from previous games.

Our numbers are off by 2 points....so I dont know.

I show NCC with 141 total pts.  Do you have Franklin as a 15pointer?

[augie_superfan]

Yeah, I got them as a 15 pointer....we will just go with your number.  I was just quickly updating all 4 teams this morning and may have missed something

[cardinalpride]

Yeah, I got them as a 15 pointer....we will just go with your number.  I was just quickly updating all 4 teams this morning and may have missed something

I stand corrected ASF, NCC is at 9.929 after my recalculation.  Sorry for my mistake.

[Johnny Augie]

All I know is last night was a fantastic ball game at IWU.. I sure hope these two teams match up first round in the conference tournament. Wow, that would be a heck of a tournament. Elmhurst just couldn't seem to get any breaks late. Great ball game. I wish Daukas wasn't such a hot dog, I love his athleticism, just wish he wasn't such a jerk on the court..

Great ball game, worth the price of admission. Atmosphere was fantastic as well!

...and how would you describe Chris Martin on the floor?  Adam is an intense competitor, but he's not a jerk.

Each time I have seen Adam, he has always been an intense competitor, but has always enjoyed talking to the crowd...both the IWU students and the opposing students.

This is not to say that he is the only one that does it.  I have seen many Augie/Carthage/NCC players do this as well.

[79jaybird]

Thanks to those who responded about my QOW questions.
Dennis, was the large crowd there to see the park play or to see Al May ( a class act) get inducted?
Cardinal Pride-- I know the season is not over and the EC/NC is going to be a great game.  as are all the remaining CCIW bball games this year.
The EC/IWU game was a spectatular show so why is there a need for showboating/taunting, whatever??  Fact is, either team could have won that game and the nonsense doesn't belong.
Anyway you slice the cake the top 4 teams (most likely) Augie/EC/IWU/NC  whether it is A vs. NC  or A vs. EC  is going to be a great CCIW Tournament.

[matblake]

Here is the Wheaton website write up on the NP-Wheaton game.  Now there are two posts. 
http://www.wheaton.edu/Athletics/mbasketball/index.html

[79jaybird]

Al May's family is all CCIW

Al and (wife) Madeleine  both NPU alums
Amy (oldest)  NC track alum
Molly (youngest)  IWU VB star

He's the type of guy you go to for valid info. and to shoot the breeze with.

[markerickson]

I agree with Dennis in that Jay Alexander seemed agressive and wanted the ball.  Given Wheaton's underwhelming size, alley-oops to a 6'8" sophomore with long arms and good springs would have been indefensible.  NP tried it once, but the pass didn't have, like Greg said, "a parabola."  I don't think NP's point guard tried penetrating once. 

It was maddening to not witness inside passes.

[cardinalpride]

Thanks to those who responded about my QOW questions.
Dennis, was the large crowd there to see the park play or to see Al May ( a class act) get inducted?
Cardinal Pride-- I know the season is not over and the EC/NC is going to be a great game.  as are all the remaining CCIW bball games this year.
The EC/IWU game was a spectatular show so why is there a need for showboating/taunting, whatever??  Fact is, either team could have won that game and the nonsense doesn't belong.
Anyway you slice the cake the top 4 teams (most likely) Augie/EC/IWU/NC  whether it is A vs. NC  or A vs. EC  is going to be a great CCIW Tournament.

79jaybird, I don't know what you're talking about.  I wasn't showboating or taunting you.  I simply made a statement.  You were asking a question as if the season was already over.  The truth is before anyone can say with any certainty which teams will receive pool c bids over another, the season has to be played out fully including conference tournaments.  I'm sorry I didn't address your question.  Here is the answer pure and simple.  The reason NCC is in better shape than EC for pool c consideration is because NCC has a better record in the region and overall.  Case closed.