MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[sac]

Mike DeWitt is one of the real good guys around Division III.  Having guys like this heading up the process should create a lot of confidence.

except for the lack of transparency in the last poll, yes.

[kiko]

He bore some responsibility for the debacle, too, Bob -- and not simply because of the Titans' team policy of keeping all of the unis together during travel. Now, please understand that I'm not on a Ron Rose witchhunt, nor am I looking for a scapegoat. While I've never met Ron Rose personally, everyone I know who knows him attests that he is a great guy. But he was offered the use of NPU's road uniforms last night by Tom Slyder in order to facilitate getting the game started and finished by a reasonable hour ... and Ron Rose turned that offer down.

FWIW, I would have turned down this offer as well.  Not necessarily because the alternate option (pedal to the metal up I-55 and we start an hour late) would solve the issue, but because of the intangible factor of the bad juju it would make me feel.  Functionally, the uni's are just laundry, but emotionally, they help to define and reinforce your identity and I would want that to be part of what I present on the court.

FWIW #2, I am not a Weenie homer, but I am more and more impressed by the Titans as the season wears on.  I suspect they will show better than their #18 ranking when all is said and done.  I am not typically a member of the 'rowr, four CCIW schools belong in the Top 15!' species, but as the season progresses, this team seems to be clicking more and more.

[iwu70]

Yes, I can confirm Ypsi's impression that the term "Greenies," or "Weenies" or "Green Weenies". . . and some others, much more derogatory, were surely in common use in the late 60s.  Not sure when the term "Augie Doggies" came into use and don't much remember what we called the Big Blue in those days, though that was clearly the biggest rivalry, the most hated opponent, in basketball and football, to be sure.  Lots of tricks and stunts back and forth -- between MU and IWU, between IWU and ISU etc.  Some truly standing-room-only crowds in the old Fred Young Fieldhouse during those years, including many of us sitting up on the wall, on top of the ticket booth, at the south end of Fred Young, bleachers all full, and fans sitting on the floor, in the aisles, just all over the rafters.  This was especially true for the Gramkow-Fred Evans-Sheldon Thompson teams, in the late 60s, and 1970.  Really a degree of community and student support you rarely see these days.  The place was loud and very very hot, a hellava place to play as a visiting team.  Some well-known dead spots on that old floor.  It was GREAT!

Would love to see that degree of community and student body support these days . . . perhaps this men's team this year will bring them out again . . . hopefully for the NCC-IWU game @The Shirk.

IWU70

[kiko]

On the question of a forfeit, I have no idea if it were an option but I'd be very surprised if it crossed the mind of anyone official.  North Park and the Wezzies have a half-century-plus academic and athletic relationship, and meet each other in many forums over the course of the year.  To antagonize a fellow conference member over something like this would be extremely short-sighted.

[AndOne]

Journeyed down to The Hangar in downtown Naperville last evening to see a basketball game. While I did get to experience a little basketball, I additionally got a little "bonus" in that I was also able to experience a North Central production of The Walking Dead.

Taking the court minus starting forward Aaron Tiknis (injury) and PG Brandon Williams (illness), the Cardinals walked through the 1st half as if in a trance. It appeared they left their offense in the locker room, being very hesitant, and doing a lot of standing around. Lacking much motion, and any form of a smooth offensive flow, coupled with an inability to adequately defend the perimeter, the Cards found it difficult to separate themselves from their more active and enthusiastic visitors. Waltzing their way through an uninspired opening stanza, they found themselves locked in an improbable 29 all tie after the first 20 minutes. 

Regaining their senses during the halftime break, the Cardinals proceeded to bury the Big Blue under a 35-9 avalanche, which was fueled by a combination of stifling defense and timely shooting, over the first 14 minutes of the 2nd half. Chief architect of the onslaught was Vince Kmiec who scored 17 of his 18 points in the 2nd period. Kmiec hit 5 of 8 from downtown in the final 20 minutes. In addition to tying Landon Gamble for game high scoring honors, Kmiec finished with 6 rebounds, 6 assists (zero TOs), and 4 steals. Derek Raridon added 16 points, and Jack Burchett had an outstanding overall game off the bench with a double-double of 10 points to go with an equal number of rebounds in 25 minutes of action. Pat Rourke, starting in place of Williams, and Jack Merrithey combined to man the point, and contributed a combined 8 assists as opposed to 2 TOs.

The Cardinal defense held the visitors to only 44 total points, including an almost unbelievable 15 in the 2nd half.
For the year they are holding opponents to an average of 55.4 ppg, including 52.0 in CCIW play.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Mike DeWitt is one of the real good guys around Division III.  Having guys like this heading up the process should create a lot of confidence.

except for the lack of transparency in the last poll, yes.

Except I know that the men's committee stood up and went to bat for this. They have been very vocal against keeping this final poll hidden. Clearly there are other committees (and the women's basketball may be one) that is scared that their poll will be torn a part. What I don't get is the simple fact that the previous polls are published so we see flaws and when you hide the last one it only raises more questions than it answers. The men have fought to get this poll released like it was in the past... but clearly they are out numbered. I think this will be a topic I bring up with some others I know to push for a real answer.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Yes, I can confirm Ypsi's impression that the term "Greenies," or "Weenies" or "Green Weenies". . . and some others, much more derogatory, were surely in common use in the late 60s.  Not sure when the term "Augie Doggies" came into use and don't much remember what we called the Big Blue in those days, though that was clearly the biggest rivalry, the most hated opponent, in basketball and football, to be sure.  Lots of tricks and stunts back and forth -- between MU and IWU, between IWU and ISU etc.  Some truly standing-room-only crowds in the old Fred Young Fieldhouse during those years, including many of us sitting up on the wall, on top of the ticket booth, at the south end of Fred Young, bleachers all full, and fans sitting on the floor, in the aisles, just all over the rafters.  This was especially true for the Gramkow-Fred Evans-Sheldon Thompson teams, in the late 60s, and 1970.  Really a degree of community and student support you rarely see these days.  The place was loud and very very hot, a hellava place to play as a visiting team.  Some well-known dead spots on that old floor.  It was GREAT!

Would love to see that degree of community and student body support these days . . . perhaps this men's team this year will bring them out again . . . hopefully for the NCC-IWU game @The Shirk.

IWU70

I would suspect that "Augie Doggies" does not precede the cartoon character of that name.  It may well have even been an invention right here on CCIW Chat.

Many thanks to 'veteran' for the walk down memory lane. +k  I attended 5 of the games (missed one battle in Decatur, and we were one year apart) against the best player Millikin ever had (Jesse Price) - they were extraordinary battles!  We couldn't stop him, but they couldn't stop our overall team; don't recall any of the scores, and it would muddle the memories to look it up!   Fred Young was almost always overflowing regardless of the opponent, but Griswold was absolutely electric those times (which some said was quite unusual except against the Titans)!  Don't recall any specific name for the Big Blue, except (like Michigan vs. Ohio State) they were just the unnamed 'team down south'.

[Titan Q]

Mike DeWitt is one of the real good guys around Division III.  Having guys like this heading up the process should create a lot of confidence.

except for the lack of transparency in the last poll, yes.

That's not on the national committee though (that DeWitt is now the chair of).  Those guys fought to have the final regional rankings released last year...and they lost that battle to the powers that be above them.

[Pat Coleman]

Mike DeWitt is one of the real good guys around Division III.  Having guys like this heading up the process should create a lot of confidence.

except for the lack of transparency in the last poll, yes.

That's not on the national committee though (that DeWitt is now the chair of).  Those guys fought to have the final regional rankings released last year...and they lost that battle to the powers that be above them.

Yes. I believe this is a beancounter/NCAA staff decision, not a committee made up of Division III member coaches/ADs/etc.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Mike DeWitt is one of the real good guys around Division III.  Having guys like this heading up the process should create a lot of confidence.

except for the lack of transparency in the last poll, yes.

That's not on the national committee though (that DeWitt is now the chair of).  Those guys fought to have the final regional rankings released last year...and they lost that battle to the powers that be above them.

Yes. I believe this is a beancounter/NCAA staff decision, not a committee made up of Division III member coaches/ADs/etc.

It was a decision made my the championships committee (the same one that decided the men's committee's idea of skipping the first weekend and playing a normal pod the second weekend followed by a single game for the Sweet 16 wasn't the way to go) who apparently did hear from most if not all of the Division III (at least) sport committees and went with keeping the final regional rankings secret.

[iwumichigander]

Mike DeWitt is one of the real good guys around Division III.  Having guys like this heading up the process should create a lot of confidence.

except for the lack of transparency in the last poll, yes.

That's not on the national committee though (that DeWitt is now the chair of).  Those guys fought to have the final regional rankings released last year...and they lost that battle to the powers that be above them.

Yes. I believe this is a beancounter/NCAA staff decision, not a committee made up of Division III member coaches/ADs/etc.

It was a decision made my the championships committee (the same one that decided the men's committee's idea of skipping the first weekend and playing a normal pod the second weekend followed by a single game for the Sweet 16 wasn't the way to go) who apparently did hear from most if not all of the Division III (at least) sport committees and went with keeping the final regional rankings secret.

"Should the final regional rankings be published" ---looks like a good D3Hoops.com front page question!

[sac]

Mike DeWitt is one of the real good guys around Division III.  Having guys like this heading up the process should create a lot of confidence.

except for the lack of transparency in the last poll, yes.

That's not on the national committee though (that DeWitt is now the chair of).  Those guys fought to have the final regional rankings released last year...and they lost that battle to the powers that be above them.

Yes. I believe this is a beancounter/NCAA staff decision, not a committee made up of Division III member coaches/ADs/etc.

I listened to the interview.  I'm aware of who's who and who did what to whom in the conservatory with what.

[Titan Q]

It looks like my employer and my alma mater have collaborated again...

http://www.iwu.edu/news/2013/01-new-classroom-building.html

[Ghostbuster]

I would suspect that "Augie Doggies" does not precede the cartoon character of that name.  It may well have even been an invention right here on CCIW Chat.

I have always heard the term "Augie Doggies" attributed more to the Division II Augustana (who are also the Vikings) from Sioux Falls. Although it would not surprise me if CCIW fans and Northern Sun fans each developed the name independently of each other, a lot of those South Dakotans use it fairly frequently.

[Pat Coleman]

Mike DeWitt is one of the real good guys around Division III.  Having guys like this heading up the process should create a lot of confidence.

except for the lack of transparency in the last poll, yes.

That's not on the national committee though (that DeWitt is now the chair of).  Those guys fought to have the final regional rankings released last year...and they lost that battle to the powers that be above them.

Yes. I believe this is a beancounter/NCAA staff decision, not a committee made up of Division III member coaches/ADs/etc.

I listened to the interview.  I'm aware of who's who and who did what to whom in the conservatory with what.

Sorry about that -- I was tied up last night and just listening to it now. You guys are correct, and it's disappointing that it is coaches/ADs who are making this decision. Guess there are committees who are scared of releasing their polls, and that's unfortunate.