MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Just to share a thought on NCC as a voter... because they have injuries is a reason to maybe knock them down the poll further than just two tough losses. I weighed the losses and then considered they are very banged up with their three key guys. Those injuries give me pause and thinking that NCC isn't going to be successful if they are injured over the long term. Thus, I personally moved NCC from #7 to #17. Should their guys recover from the injuries and start to improve and they don't lose another game, they will then move up because clearly they are improved. Of course... I am just one voter.

[WUPHF]

Great shots of Teuscher's 3- what a tough bucket, going to his left.  And then great shots of the crowd and atmosphere!

Why did Tuescher have to transfer?  Why?  Why God why? [typed while kneeling while pumping my fists at the sky]

[AndOne]

Great shots of Teuscher's 3- what a tough bucket, going to his left.  And then great shots of the crowd and atmosphere!

Why did Tuescher have to transfer?  Why?  Why God why? [typed while kneeling while pumping my fists at the sky]

Recently heard a group of Wheaton fans discussing that very subject at a JV game. 
Naturally, the answer lies, at least partially, in scripture.
The consensus was one of the primary reasons was that Mr/Mrs Teuscher wanted Brayden to be readily available to provide his little brother with guidance and direction least the younger Mr. Tuescher not be inclined to occasionally take Ecclesiastes 3:13 a bit too literally.       

[petemcb]

Great shots of Teuscher's 3- what a tough bucket, going to his left.  And then great shots of the crowd and atmosphere!

Why did Tuescher have to transfer?  Why?  Why God why? [typed while kneeling while pumping my fists at the sky]

So you typed with your toes.  Impressive.  Usually I have to go to YouTube to find those kinds of oddities.

[Gregory Sager]

The consensus was one of the primary reasons was that Mr/Mrs Teuscher wanted Brayden to be readily available to provide his little brother with guidance and direction least the younger Mr. Tuescher not be inclined to occasionally take Ecclesiastes 3:13 a bit too literally.     

Ah, the old make-sure-your-little-brother-doesn't-excessively-eat-and-drink-and-find-satisfaction-in-all-his-toil story. I got that speech when my little brother followed me off to North Park, too.

He evaded the potential danger by not toiling enough to take any satisfaction from it.

Great shots of Teuscher's 3- what a tough bucket, going to his left.  And then great shots of the crowd and atmosphere!

Why did Tuescher have to transfer?  Why?  Why God why? [typed while kneeling while pumping my fists at the sky]

So you typed with your toes.  Impressive.  Usually I have to go to YouTube to find those kinds of oddities.

Typing with the toes while your toes are behind you, since WUH was kneeling. That would be the best trick I've ever seen on YouTube. Even better than this one.

[AndOne]

Many of the obvious superlatives concerning last Saturday's Wheaton/NCC classic battle have been well reported and documented by several of our knowledgeable posters.
However, there were two important incidents/junctures of the game, that I am not sure were part of any previous postings on the game. I apologize to the concerned party/parties if I overlooked your mention of them.

1. I believe it was late in the 1st half, NCC had played stout defense during a Wheaton possession, finally deflecting the ball out under the Wheaton basket with only 2 seconds remaining on the shot clock. Although only the 2 seconds remained, Wheaton was able to get the ball in to a man open along the left baseline who drained the shot. Can't remember who the WC player was, but how big was that play in a 2 point OT win?

2. The Cardinals had a chance to win in regulation, having the last possession, and a chance for a last second shot.
However, the WC defense knocked the ball away with about 2 seconds left, preventing the Cardinals from launching that potential game winning shot. Again, not sure who the involved WC player was as the NCC coaches had jumped up in front of me.

I think these 2 events could be considered among the turning points in the game. 

[John Gleich]

The consensus was one of the primary reasons was that Mr/Mrs Teuscher wanted Brayden to be readily available to provide his little brother with guidance and direction least the younger Mr. Tuescher not be inclined to occasionally take Ecclesiastes 3:13 a bit too literally.     

Ah, the old make-sure-your-little-brother-doesn't-excessively-eat-and-drink-and-find-satisfaction-in-all-his-toil story. I got that speech when my little brother followed me off to North Park, too.

He evaded the potential danger by not toiling enough to take any satisfaction from it.

Strange... I thought the covenant was designed to do that at Wheaton.

Paul was right... the law can't save you!

[WUPHF]

The consensus was one of the primary reasons was that Mr/Mrs Teuscher wanted Brayden to be readily available to provide his little brother with guidance and direction least the younger Mr. Tuescher not be inclined to occasionally take Ecclesiastes 3:13 a bit too literally. 

Very interesting. I wonder who was watching out for the older brother when he was here in St. Louis.  I am 100 percent sure Wheaton is not hosting a student-sponsored panel of adult film stars at part of Sex Week as Washington University is in a few weeks: http://www.studlife.com/news/campus-events/2013/01/17/porn-star-panel-nears-final-contracts-minus-sasha-grey/

Last year were supposed to have Bristol Palin on campus, but the students revolted and we had a transgender activist instead.

[WUPHF]

So you typed with your toes.  Impressive.  Usually I have to go to YouTube to find those kinds of oddities.

I do have speech-to-text, but I rarely use it, so all that would have been possible without a YouTube worthy show.  I hope Teuscher is where he wants to be but he is clearly missed.

[Gregory Sager]

The consensus was one of the primary reasons was that Mr/Mrs Teuscher wanted Brayden to be readily available to provide his little brother with guidance and direction least the younger Mr. Tuescher not be inclined to occasionally take Ecclesiastes 3:13 a bit too literally. 

Very interesting. I wonder who was watching out for the older brother when he was here in St. Louis.  I am 100 percent sure Wheaton is not hosting a student-sponsored panel of adult film stars at part of Sex Week as Washington University is in a few weeks: http://www.studlife.com/news/campus-events/2013/01/17/porn-star-panel-nears-final-contracts-minus-sasha-grey/

Gee, are you really sure?

I see that Wash U is holding the Sex Week porn panel discussion in Graham Chapel. I think that I'll just refrain from commenting upon that.

[WUPHF]

I see that Wash U is holding the Sex Week porn panel discussion in Graham Chapel. I think that I'll just refrain from commenting upon that.

Indeed, no building is sacred on our campus.  No word yet as to where the "kink workshops" will be held.

[AndOne]

The consensus was one of the primary reasons was that Mr/Mrs Teuscher wanted Brayden to be readily available to provide his little brother with guidance and direction least the younger Mr. Tuescher not be inclined to occasionally take Ecclesiastes 3:13 a bit too literally. 

Very interesting. I wonder who was watching out for the older brother when he was here in St. Louis.  I am 100 percent sure Wheaton is not hosting a student-sponsored panel of adult film stars at part of Sex Week as Washington University is in a few weeks: http://www.studlife.com/news/campus-events/2013/01/17/porn-star-panel-nears-final-contracts-minus-sasha-grey/

Last year were supposed to have Bristol Palin on campus, but the students revolted and we had a transgender activist instead.

Yikes, maybe I got it turned around. 
Perhaps its the older brother who is the family "wild child" who needed to be removed  from that den of liberalism (SEX Week???) in St. Louis, and moved northward to the spiritually superior setting of Wheaton where little brother could keep an eye on him!   

[AndOne]

Just to share a thought on NCC as a voter... because they have injuries is a reason to maybe knock them down the poll further than just two tough losses. I weighed the losses and then considered they are very banged up with their three key guys. Those injuries give me pause and thinking that NCC isn't going to be successful if they are injured over the long term. Thus, I personally moved NCC from #7 to #17. Should their guys recover from the injuries and start to improve and they don't lose another game, they will then move up because clearly they are improved. Of course... I am just one voter.

Dave,

Yes, you are only one voter which is undoubtedly a turn of good fortune for North Central. NCC has definitely been hit hard by injury. These injuries were all "fresh" in the Wesleyan game. To be sure, the injuries played a role in an 8 point loss AT IWU. Several Wesleyan posters made it a point to mention the handicap they imposed on the NCC attack and defense during that game. It could be debated ad nauseum whether the outcome would have been different had NCC been at "full strength." However, there is no debating that IWU did what a good team does, and took advantage of their opportunities to earn the win. While the injuries were still present in the Wheaton game, they played a distinctively lesser role in the NCC defeat which was largely due to the Cardinals not paying attention to fundamentals. Wheaton is just too good a team to try to defeat without playing good fundamental basketball as the final outcome substantiated. I think the thing to remember is that the 2 recent NCC losses were to 2 very good teams. Its not like they lost to the Illinois School For The Visually Handicapped or Community Bible College.
And while my bias is evident, may I remind you that no less of an authority than Titan Q indicated that he sensed a #7 ranking was representative of NCC"s proper placement. Now, if further losses follow in the near future,  a #17 ranking might indeed even be too high.

And be honest. As an eastern guy, don't you feel you're at least a little biased in favor of eastern and northeastern teams? I can assure you that I'm not alone in this perception among posters here in the midwest. And with specific regard to North Central, you really have never been much of a supporter. As defense exhibit #1, I cite your comments during the broadcast of the NCC/Ramapo game from Las Vegas in December. You seemed to find it very difficult to strongly voice any form of praise for any facet of the Cardinals game, most of your "compliments"  being of the "backhanded" variety. The "highlight" was when Ramapo trailed by 18 and Will Sanborn, obviously one of your favorite players, hit a 3 point bomb to "trim" the NCC lead to 15 with a little less than 13 minutes to play. Your comment at the time was something close to the fact that you expected Sanborn to likely hit 5 more three pointers in rapid order, and that the game would almost certainly either be tied up or close to it within a few more minutes of play. In fact, Sanborn hit only 1 of 6 shots from that point on, including missing 2 easy layups. Evidently, the bottle of hot sauce was close to empty at the 13 minute mark.

I also wonder in what position you placed #6 Middlebury this week? If Middlebury merits the #6 position, with a combined opponents record of 146-173 (all games), what does that say about #7 North Central whose opponents combined record is considerably better at 202-157? Perhaps its the 3 NCC losses compared with only 1 for Middlebury? However, I don't suppose the fact that 2 of those 3 losses were to teams currently ranked #12, and #20, and were both on the road, warranted as much consideration as the injuries. 

If you are going to knock and drop NCC for their injuries, what role, if any, does the Middlebury opponents combined record play in where you placed them on your ballot relative to your #17 placement of NCC?

[Mr. Ypsi]

AndOne, don't you go abusing d-mac too much.  He also is a voter in the women's poll, and this week single-handedly gave undefeated-in-CCIW-play Carthage almost half their poll points (15 of 32).   (Since TWO different CCIW teams have won one-quarter of the last eight women's titles, I found that rather disrespectful to the conference. )

[Gregory Sager]

Sounds like somebody needs to invite NCC head coach Todd Raridon to be a guest on his talk show in order to mend some fences.