MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[D-3 watcher]

Cardinal pride, that 3 minute span was at a crucial time of the game, I agree. I thought then, and still think now, that Coach Raridon should have used at least one time out. Maybe two. I don't know if he had those TOs left, but D Raridon is the one player that has to be on the floor at crunch time. There would have been a lot of shoe strings being tied, whatever the ref would let us do to stop that clock.
I said before, I thought IWU training staff fixed him up to quick, NCC fans probably thought he was stalling.  The home team has to supply the trainer for the visiting team, so your kinda at the mercy of that trainer. IWU travels with its own trainer, boys and girls teams. Don't know if they are ISU students, getting some credits, or if they employee that many, but they are good to have.

[cardinalpride]

Cardinal pride, that 3 minute span was at a crucial time of the game, I agree. I thought then, and still think now, that Coach Raridon should have used at least one time out. Maybe two. I don't know if he had those TOs left, but D Raridon is the one player that has to be on the floor at crunch time. There would have been a lot of shoe strings being tied, whatever the ref would let us do to stop that clock.
I said before, I thought IWU training staff fixed him up to quick, NCC fans probably thought he was stalling.  The home team has to supply the trainer for the visiting team, so your kinda at the mercy of that trainer. IWU travels with its own trainer, boys and girls teams. Don't know if they are ISU students, getting some credits, or if they employee that many, but they are good to have.

D3,
Not sure of NCCs timeout situation but you're right.  NCC was at the mercy of the IWU training staff.

[cardinalpride]

TQ,
The minutes that Raridon missed doesn't seem like a lot of time.  However, that 3 minute span, with the game he was having, could've resulted in a 6-0 or 8-2 mini run that NCC needed to win. If you remember, he had just tied the game at 55 before his injury.

Well in that case, I'm sorry I missed it.  It sounds like quite a little run Derek was going to go on there.

I know it's a bit of stretch but possible none the less...

[Gregory Sager]

Cardinal pride, that 3 minute span was at a crucial time of the game, I agree. I thought then, and still think now, that Coach Raridon should have used at least one time out. Maybe two. I don't know if he had those TOs left, but D Raridon is the one player that has to be on the floor at crunch time. There would have been a lot of shoe strings being tied, whatever the ref would let us do to stop that clock.
I said before, I thought IWU training staff fixed him up to quick, NCC fans probably thought he was stalling.  The home team has to supply the trainer for the visiting team, so your kinda at the mercy of that trainer. IWU travels with its own trainer, boys and girls teams. Don't know if they are ISU students, getting some credits, or if they employee that many, but they are good to have.

D3,
Not sure of NCCs timeout situation but you're right.  NCC was at the mercy of the IWU training staff.

NCC had three timeouts remaining: Two fulls and a thirty.

[iwumichigander]

Cardinal pride, that 3 minute span was at a crucial time of the game, I agree. I thought then, and still think now, that Coach Raridon should have used at least one time out. Maybe two. I don't know if he had those TOs left, but D Raridon is the one player that has to be on the floor at crunch time. There would have been a lot of shoe strings being tied, whatever the ref would let us do to stop that clock.
I said before, I thought IWU training staff fixed him up to quick, NCC fans probably thought he was stalling.  The home team has to supply the trainer for the visiting team, so your kinda at the mercy of that trainer. IWU travels with its own trainer, boys and girls teams. Don't know if they are ISU students, getting some credits, or if they employee that many, but they are good to have.

D3,
Not sure of NCCs timeout situation but you're right.  NCC was at the mercy of the IWU training staff.

NCC had three timeouts remaining: Two fulls and a thirty.

If D3 had done minimal homework, he would know IWU has one of the best, most competent training staffs not just in the CCIW but in Div III
http://www.iwu.edu/athletic-training/

[cciwrabblerouser]

Unfortunately there's very little to analyze from Saturday night at the Shirk because the truth of the matter is that after the opening five minutes Wheaton just got punked and never responded to IWU's intensity and GanGreen played a terrific game. However, I found myself walking away scratching my head at the extremely low level of class showed by several IWU students during the game.

Kids will inevitably be kids and are trying to have a good time but several students standing on the floor opposite the Wheaton bench (one in a blue blazer, the other dressed as the banana) crossed the line in singling out one Thunder player at the end of the bench. Every program has kids who will play four years and rarely see the floor but they love the team, the game and the program and every program needs those kids. The fact that these kids singled out and then incessantly went after him for a majority of the second half including repeatedly calling him 'Radio' shows an incredible amount of ignorance and is a terrible reflection on the Titans and the institution.

I have a tremendous amount of respect for Ron Rose and his program and its a shame that their outstanding performance had to be marred by such a classless act. Even what was one of the most emotionally charged CCIW games of the season a few weeks ago at King Arena, the NCC and Wheaton fans showed respect toward the opposing players. Just a nagging thought that had stuck with me throughout the weekend. Now back to your regularly scheduled broadcast.

Ummm, no it really doesn't.

I'd like to hear more about what "radio" means in that chant.  Is it a reference to this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_%282003_film%29

Because that's what came to mind, and if so, that makes Thunder38's case right there.  But I hope I'm wrong.

I have no idea (watched the game on the web; didn't hear/see the students in question).  IF that was their intent with 'radio' (I fear it was), that IS truly disgusting.  But I'd have to agree with 22; EVERY school has some idiot fans (whether students or otherwise).  IF someone went to security and explained what they thought the chant referred to and nothing was done, THAT might be a reflection on the school.  Otherwise, no - it is a reflection only on the chanters, not the institution.

It's very clear that the NCAA has tried to encourage -- and it expects -- the home administrators to be proactive and deal with sportsmanship issues as they occur ... not only on the court but among the spectators.  To say that someone has to first complain to security for anything to happen is ridiculous.

I assume that Dennie Bridges is still the AD.  If he is not in the building, or if he has a designee who is serving as the Home Game Administrator for a specific game, then it is their responsibility to LISTEN and WATCH for this type of activity and RESPOND to it proactively.  Obviously, this was not the case.  So indeed allowing this to take place is a reflection on the entire institution -- IWU did not do its job in working to create a positive atmosphere.  To simply point the finger at a few wacko fans does not absolve IWU and its hired personnel.

What was their excuse to do nothing???

[Mr. Ypsi]

cciwrabble, as I said, watching the game on the web, I was totally unaware of the chanters.  AND 'radio' would have meant nothing to me (never heard of the movie).  Is it possible that IWU personnel were a) unaware of the chanters and/or b) had no clue that 'radio' was offensive?

But feel free to trash them based on your speculations.

[AndOne]

Cardinal pride, that 3 minute span was at a crucial time of the game, I agree. I thought then, and still think now, that Coach Raridon should have used at least one time out. Maybe two. I don't know if he had those TOs left, but D Raridon is the one player that has to be on the floor at crunch time. There would have been a lot of shoe strings being tied, whatever the ref would let us do to stop that clock.
I said before, I thought IWU training staff fixed him up to quick, NCC fans probably thought he was stalling.  The home team has to supply the trainer for the visiting team, so your kinda at the mercy of that trainer. IWU travels with its own trainer, boys and girls teams. Don't know if they are ISU students, getting some credits, or if they employee that many, but they are good to have.

D3,
Not sure of NCCs timeout situation but you're right.  NCC was at the mercy of the IWU training staff.

NCC had three timeouts remaining: Two fulls and a thirty.

If D3 had done minimal homework, he would know IWU has one of the best, most competent training staffs not just in the CCIW but in Div III
http://www.iwu.edu/athletic-training/

Given the fact that visiting basketball players are taped by the IWU training room staff before games, and I have seen people wearing IWU shirts doing things like providing water and towels to the benches, and being on the sidelines, I wondered why ISU students would be attending players during actual game action at IWU.
D-3 watcher's statement didn't make a whole lot of sense.

[cciwrabblerouser]

cciwrabble, as I said, watching the game on the web, I was totally unaware of the chanters.  AND 'radio' would have meant nothing to me (never heard of the movie).  Is it possible that IWU personnel were a) unaware of the chanters and/or b) had no clue that 'radio' was offensive?

But feel free to trash them based on your speculations.

i'm 63 years old and know exactly the reference.  even if the home game administrator isn't in touch and doesn't know, there were plenty of IWU staff in the crowd -- the SID and other staff/coaches -- who would know the reference.  in all my experiene, i know that home game administrators respond much more quickly to what the fans of the opposing team say and do, and they tend to 'give the benefit of the doubt' to the home rowdies... they turn a deaf eye and a blind eye to their own idiots.  that's the way it is.  but it DOES reflect on the institution when such talk is allowed.  sorry, IWU, but it sounds like your univedrsity and program still has a ways to go to be first-class.

[AndOne]

cciwrabble, as I said, watching the game on the web, I was totally unaware of the chanters.  AND 'radio' would have meant nothing to me (never heard of the movie).  Is it possible that IWU personnel were a) unaware of the chanters and/or b) had no clue that 'radio' was offensive?

But feel free to trash them based on your speculations.

Mr--

I'm with you concerning not knowing the meaning of "Radio." Showing our age I guess. 

However, there is absolutely no way IWU personnel could be unaware of any form of chanting or other demonstrative behavior on the part of IWU students. Especially when none other than Dennie Bridges has a reserved high chair type seat at a press type table at the top of the bleachers on the bench side of the gym. Its about in the middle of that side of the court, and right across from the students who normally stand and yell at the opposing bench during most of the game. Granted Dennie Bridges is also probably not familiar with the more modern meaning of "Radio." The students behavior is more of a problem when they use degrading terminology, the meaning of which is known to all. In those instances there is no excuse for not putting a stop to such behavior, and ejecting the admittedly few students who actually use the offensive words.

[shepherd]

cciwrabble, as I said, watching the game on the web, I was totally unaware of the chanters.  AND 'radio' would have meant nothing to me (never heard of the movie).  Is it possible that IWU personnel were a) unaware of the chanters and/or b) had no clue that 'radio' was offensive?

But feel free to trash them based on your speculations.

I will say IWU usually a great atmosphere.  But IWU and the refs and or coaches did drop the ball on this occasion. They planned the football celebration.  They let the football team and other people roam on the boundary lines taunting and yelling at players.  The first five minutes of that game was out of control. What I saw was IWU players shoving their chests into Wheaton players with their arms in the air trying to walk away.  A fight was very close to starting and with the football players on the lines it could have been a tragedy.

Wheaton players may have said something.  I don't know but if they did they should have been punished and now should be punished by missing a game.  The refs did not call a technical on somebody to control the game.  The coaches did not do something soon enough.  Yet I'm not sure what Wheaton could have done besides tell the refs and pull some players off the floor which they did but I don't know if it was for that reason.  The CCIW heads including the bball refs authorities need to straighten this out so that it doesn't happen again if these teams meet again in the playoff at what looks like the same place.  If nothing is discussed between the authorities, refs and coaches then it is not a safe place for fans to attend especially with children.

No, it is not typical of IWU but their is unresolved tensions that may explode in tragedy if the above mentioned authorities stay quiet.  I for one will be contacting the CCIW authorities and demanding action.

[Gregory Sager]

i'm 63 years old and know exactly the reference.  even if the home game administrator isn't in touch and doesn't know, there were plenty of IWU staff in the crowd -- the SID and other staff/coaches -- who would know the reference.  in all my experiene, i know that home game administrators respond much more quickly to what the fans of the opposing team say and do, and they tend to 'give the benefit of the doubt' to the home rowdies... they turn a deaf eye and a blind eye to their own idiots.

You must not attend WC @ NPU games, then, because the crackerbox is policed in the exact opposite manner to that which you described. The game administrator, be it North Park AD Jack Surridge or one of his designates, is always very quick to crack down on anything questionable that the NPU student section says and/or does, much more so than with anything that the opposing fans are doing. This is not only true in men's basketball, it's true in other sports as well.

[Titan Q]

I will say IWU usually a great atmosphere.  But IWU and the refs and or coaches did drop the ball on this occasion. They planned the football celebration.  They let the football team and other people roam on the boundary lines taunting and yelling at players.  The first five minutes of that game was out of control. What I saw was IWU players shoving their chests into Wheaton players with their arms in the air trying to walk away.  A fight was very close to starting and with the football players on the lines it could have been a tragedy.

Wheaton players may have said something.  I don't know but if they did they should have been punished and now should be punished by missing a game.  The refs did not call a technical on somebody to control the game.  The coaches did not do something soon enough.  Yet I'm not sure what Wheaton could have done besides tell the refs and pull some players off the floor which they did but I don't know if it was for that reason.  The CCIW heads including the bball refs authorities need to straighten this out so that it doesn't happen again if these teams meet again in the playoff at what looks like the same place.  If nothing is discussed between the authorities, refs and coaches then it is not a safe place for fans to attend especially with children.

No, it is not typical of IWU but their is unresolved tensions that may explode in tragedy if the above mentioned authorities stay quiet.  I for one will be contacting the CCIW authorities and demanding action.

Whatever happened with the IWU students chanting something inappropriate is really unfortunate.  But Go Thunder, your post is over the top, inaccurate, and quite frankly just ridiculous.

Here is the link for the On Demand video of the IWU/Wheaton game - http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/iwu.portal#.  Teams hit the center circle for the jump ball at the 36:30 mark on the player.

The extent of "chippy" plays in the first 5 minutes...

* The first incident happens after the basket to make it 4-0 Wheaton.  Michael Berg ends up tangled up with IWU's Pat Sodemann under the basket - Sodemann ends up in what looks like a head lock. I don't know if Berg's arm was caught in Sodemann's jersey or something, but clearly that little altercation wasn't the IWU players fault in any way.(Play starts at about 38:10)

* At 16:55, Dylan Overstreet drives to the basket with his left hand and is fouled by Tyler Peters.  Peters and Overstreet end up tangled up - Overstreet seems to be arguing that Peters is grabbing his jersey or something, and Overstreet keeps pleading his case before inbounding the ball.  Again, I have no idea what was going on, but I'm guessing it was a 50/50 little scrap.  Not really a big deal at all. (41:20)

* After Tyler Peters' second foul, with IWU getting set to in-bound the ball, Andrew Ziemnik and Nathan Haynes jockey for position in the middle of the lane.  Two big, strong kids battling in in the paint...something that happens in every CCIW game.  An official says something to them and that's that.  Again 50/50 thing. (43:06)

That's the first 5 minutes.  And I don't remember any incidents in the game after that. 

Where are the "IWU players shoving their chests into Wheaton players with their arms in the air trying to walk away"??  Are you referring to Berg, after he had Sodemann in some kind of head lock from under the basket to past the 3-point line?

And what play described above would have necessitated Wheaton to "tell the refs and pull some players off the floor"??  Are you serious?


Again, whatever happened with the chanting is really unfortunate.  As an IWU fan that's embarrassing.  But this post is just plain silly, Go Thunder.  Come on.

[cciwrabblerouser]

i'm 63 years old and know exactly the reference.  even if the home game administrator isn't in touch and doesn't know, there were plenty of IWU staff in the crowd -- the SID and other staff/coaches -- who would know the reference.  in all my experiene, i know that home game administrators respond much more quickly to what the fans of the opposing team say and do, and they tend to 'give the benefit of the doubt' to the home rowdies... they turn a deaf eye and a blind eye to their own idiots.

You must not attend WC @ NPU games, then, because the crackerbox is policed in the exact opposite manner to that which you described. The game administrator, be it North Park AD Jack Surridge or one of his designates, is always very quick to crack down on anything questionable that the NPU student section says and/or does, much more so than with anything that the opposing fans are doing. This is not only true in men's basketball, it's true in other sports as well.

Mr. Sager, I have not seen an NPU home game in quite a few years, and I have no reason to doubt your statement about the North Park AD monitoring the student section.  That's refreshing.  I did not mean to imply that what I wrote happens at every D-III school -- but that IS the case at the great majority of them.  Perhaps because of North Park's environment and mission the administrator(s) take a different approach.  And I applaud that.

[CCIWchamps]

I will say IWU usually a great atmosphere.  But IWU and the refs and or coaches did drop the ball on this occasion. They planned the football celebration.  They let the football team and other people roam on the boundary lines taunting and yelling at players.  The first five minutes of that game was out of control. What I saw was IWU players shoving their chests into Wheaton players with their arms in the air trying to walk away.  A fight was very close to starting and with the football players on the lines it could have been a tragedy.

Wheaton players may have said something.  I don't know but if they did they should have been punished and now should be punished by missing a game.  The refs did not call a technical on somebody to control the game.  The coaches did not do something soon enough.  Yet I'm not sure what Wheaton could have done besides tell the refs and pull some players off the floor which they did but I don't know if it was for that reason.  The CCIW heads including the bball refs authorities need to straighten this out so that it doesn't happen again if these teams meet again in the playoff at what looks like the same place.  If nothing is discussed between the authorities, refs and coaches then it is not a safe place for fans to attend especially with children.

No, it is not typical of IWU but their is unresolved tensions that may explode in tragedy if the above mentioned authorities stay quiet.  I for one will be contacting the CCIW authorities and demanding action.

Whatever happened with the IWU students chanting something inappropriate is really unfortunate.  But Go Thunder, your post is over the top, inaccurate, and quite frankly just ridiculous.

Here is the link for the On Demand video of the IWU/Wheaton game - http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/iwu.portal#.  Teams hit the center circle for the jump ball at the 36:30 mark on the player.

The extent of "chippy" plays in the first 5 minutes...

* The first incident happens after the basket to make it 4-0 Wheaton.  Michael Berg ends up tangled up with IWU's Pat Sodemann under the basket - Sodemann ends up in what looks like a head lock. I don't know if Berg's arm was caught in Sodemann's jersey or something, but clearly that little altercation wasn't the IWU players fault in any way.(Play starts at about 38:10)

* At 16:55, Dylan Overstreet drives to the basket with his left hand and is fouled by Tyler Peters.  Peters and Overstreet end up tangled up - Overstreet seems to be arguing that Peters is grabbing his jersey or something, and Overstreet keeps pleading his case before inbounding the ball.  Again, I have no idea what was going on, but I'm guessing it was a 50/50 little scrap.  Not really a big deal at all. (41:20)

* After Tyler Peters' second foul, with IWU getting set to in-bound the ball, Andrew Ziemnik and Nathan Haynes jockey for position in the middle of the lane.  Two big, strong kids battling in in the paint...something that happens in every CCIW game.  An official says something to them and that's that.  Again 50/50 thing. (43:06)

That's the first 5 minutes.  And I don't remember any incidents in the game after that. 

Where are the "IWU players shoving their chests into Wheaton players with their arms in the air trying to walk away"??  Are you referring to Berg, after he had Sodemann in some kind of head lock from under the basket to past the 3-point line?

And what play described above would have necessitated Wheaton to "tell the refs and pull some players off the floor"??  Are you serious?


Again, whatever happened with the chanting is really unfortunate.  As an IWU fan that's embarrassing.  But this post is just plain silly, Go Thunder.  Come on.

Maybe the best summary is: playing at IWU is a daunting exercise.  It's always packed, it's set up like a gladiatorial arena, you've got a fanbase that likes to yell, and in-bounding on the side opposite the benches is like standing in the front bleacher while someone heckles you from 6 inches away.  Translation: great home court advantage.  But an awesome experience to win there and shut them up!   

The similar feeling can be found at NCC.