MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[cardinalpride]

If NCC plays at Benedictine, would they get to add 6-9 F Luke Johnson for that game?

Maybe we'll find that out today too...lol

[SevenTen]

This will be a Benedictine according to a NCAA source tells me... but that is rock-solid.

That's what my birdie is tweeting too... and now I look at how NCC played in that gym this year.... not so good.

Shot 40% and squeaked by a 8-18 Benedictine team earlier in the year.

http://northcentralcardinals.com/boxscore.aspx?path=mbball&id=1997

[TitansIWU]

Now I just want to see Indoor Javelin during halftime of the basketball game, if not as an officially sanction event, maybe just as a way for the cheerleaders to launch T-shirts into the crowd.

It would bring a whole new level of excitement to getting a free t shirt.

[NCF]

Now I just want to see Indoor Javelin during halftime of the basketball game, if not as an officially sanction event, maybe just as a way for the cheerleaders to launch T-shirts into the crowd.

It would bring a whole new level of excitement to getting a free t shirt.

Just pad the pointed end and it would be fun

[Titan Q]

How bad is the pairing of North Central vs UW-Whitewater in round 2?  For perspective, I tried to project which teams would be the true top 8 seeds in the tournament, based on criteria but not taking geography into account.  I came up with the following...


#1  Amherst (NE): 25-2 (.926)/.585/9-1
#2  St. Thomas (W): 26-1 (.963)/.548)/7-1
#3  WPI (NE): 25-2 (.926)/.568/5-2
#4  North Central (MW): 22-3 (.880)/.551/6-2
#5  Williams (NE): 21-4 (.840)/.577/5-4
#6  UW-Whitewater (W): 22-4 (.846)/.588/5-3
#7  Rochester (E): 20-4 (.833)/.575/7-3
#8  Alvernia (MA): 23-4 (.852)/.552/5-2
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#9 UW-Stevens Point (W): 21-5 (.808)/.586/7-2


I think it's pretty fair to say that both NCC and UWW are in the top 8 of the 2013 tournament field, based strictly on the criteria.  In a perfect world they would not meet until round 4 at the earliest.

This is by far the most unfair and unfortunate round 2 matchup as I see it.  It seems like we see these types of early round pairings in the West and Midwest all too often, but we rarely do on the east coast.

I feel like the national committee really made a big mistake on this particular pairing.

[NCF]

How bad is the pairing of North Central vs UW-Whitewater in round 2?  For perspective, I tried to project which teams would be the true top 8 seeds in the tournament, based on criteria but not taking geography into account.  I came up with the following...


#1  Amherst (NE): 25-2 (.926)/.585/9-1
#2  St. Thomas (W): 26-1 (.963)/.548)/7-1
#3  WPI (NE): 25-2 (.926)/.568/5-2
#4  North Central (MW): 22-3 (.880)/.551/6-2
#5  Williams (NE): 21-4 (.840)/.577/5-4
#6  UW-Whitewater (W): 22-4 (.846)/.588/5-3
#7  Rochester (E): 20-4 (.833)/.575/7-3
#8  Alvernia (MA): 23-4 (.852)/.552/5-2
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#9 UW-Stevens Point (W): 21-5 (.808)/.586/7-2


I think it's pretty fair to say that both NCC and UWW are in the top 8 of the 2013 tournament field, based strictly on the criteria.  In a perfect world they would not meet until round 4 at the earliest.

This is by far the most unfair and unfortunate round 2 matchup as I see it.  It seems like we see these types of early round pairings in the West and Midwest all too often, but we rarely do on the east coast.

Until the tournament gets seeded 1-62, it will probably stay this way. Unfortunately true seeding will probably never happen.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Easier to move teams around on the East Coast inside of 500 miles... also tends to be more schools on the East Coast allowing for the movement. Pat and I wanted desperately to get another team from the Midwest/West into our projections because it would have solved a lot of things. Marietta actually really screwed things up as well - JUST outside of the 500 miles for teams like IWU and the like.

And true seeding is very rare in the NCAA.

[Titan Q]

Easier to move teams around on the East Coast inside of 500 miles... also tends to be more schools on the East Coast allowing for the movement. Pat and I wanted desperately to get another team from the Midwest/West into our projections because it would have solved a lot of things. Marietta actually really screwed things up as well - JUST outside of the 500 miles for teams like IWU and the like.

And true seeding is very rare in the NCAA.

I get all that Dave - I really do.  But this particular round 2 matchup (NCC vs UWW) is just brutal.  There had to have been a way to be more creative.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I am not disagreeing... but if you were to look at the bracket ahead of time without the current results... tell me what you would have done... Pat and I had UWSP vs. Wash U and Wooster vs. UWW... Transy/Wheaton was a first round game... NCC/Calvin was a potential second round game... IWU was about the only team we could protect and we got really creative to pull that off.

[Pat Coleman]

Bob,

Dave and I tried for more than an hour to come up with something better last Sunday night/Monday morning. We couldn't without putting more flights in the bracket. I was hopeful we'd be able to get an extra flight or two for this year since we are doing this format at D-I's behest.

[Titan Q]

I am not disagreeing... but if you were to look at the bracket ahead of time without the current results... tell me what you would have done... Pat and I had UWSP vs. Wash U and Wooster vs. UWW... Transy/Wheaton was a first round game... NCC/Calvin was a potential second round game... IWU was about the only team we could protect and we got really creative to pull that off.

Well I'm certainly not going to go back and do it now, but I'm confident that given access to the following for about 5 hours I could have kept NCC and UWW from meeting in round 2:

* Criteria data
* Unlimited beer
* Coach Stein
* Coach Stein's manually constructed D3 map with push pins

[Titan Q]

Bob,

Dave and I tried for more than an hour to come up with something better last Sunday night/Monday morning. We couldn't without putting more flights in the bracket. I was hopeful we'd be able to get an extra flight or two for this year since we are doing this format at D-I's behest.

I would have paid for an extra flight...and I know D3-watcher would have been good for one (maybe even volunteered up his plane and pilot also, so that would be 2).  The NCAA just has to ask.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Well... I was drinking beer at the time as well... and it wasn't helping And I had the official NCAA mileage and Google up and running... still killing me Now if Coach Stein was there... that could have at least made it more fun .

And criteria data is what had Pat and I struggling to get different match-ups... but the criteria eventually had to be pushed a bit aside for geography - which certainly is disappointing.

[Titan Q]

Well... I was drinking beer at the time as well... and it wasn't helping And I had the official NCAA mileage and Google up and running... still killing me Now if Coach Stein was there... that could have at least made it more fun .

And criteria data is what had Pat and I struggling to get different match-ups... but the criteria eventually had to be pushed a bit aside for geography - which certainly is disappointing.

Well, at least we agree that everything is more fun with Coach Stein in the mix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AGGP2t-IRRg#!

[cardinalpride]

Bob,

Dave and I tried for more than an hour to come up with something better last Sunday night/Monday morning. We couldn't without putting more flights in the bracket. I was hopeful we'd be able to get an extra flight or two for this year since we are doing this format at D-I's behest.

Pat,
Are you and Dave responsible for bracketing the tournament now? Did I miss something?