MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Mr. Ypsi]

Number 1 sign the CCIW has gone crazy:

Millikin has only three wins - all three are against top-half teams!

Forgot to add:

Number 2 sign the CCIW has gone crazy:

North Park has only two wins - both are against Millikin!

EVERYONE in the pick-ems who is above 50% should receive an award!

[Stat]

After all these years, I am seeing a major evolutionary change!

Augie fans are becoming "more thin skinned" than the greenies!!!!


(They backed IN!!!)

[sac]

"Backing in" as phenomenon only happens on the final day of a competive season.

Augie still has two more games to clinch it outright, and they still would have had two more games if IWU had won.

[Stat]

Sac, I agree.

Also, I stand to be corrected:

Major regression stage rather than evolutionary.

[veterancciwfan]

Even the d3 hoops Top 25 is great, it doesn't mean a thing to the regional committee. I assume the 2nd regional rankings will be announced tomorrow. I think it's probable that the Midwest league will have 2 of the top 3 and maybe the top 2 as Carroll is 19-2 overall and I think 17-2 in region. Regarding Pool C bids, the Midwest Region could have 7 AQs counting Wash. U. if it wins the UAA automatic ( I think the Northern IL league still gets a Pool A bid this year, right?). 59 divided by 8 regions is about 7.5 teams per region. This is new territory this year with the added Pool C bids. I don't think anyone really knows what the selection gurus will do. But I can hear the other 7 regions screaming if the Midwest has 7 AQS + 2 or more C bids and goes over the 7.5 per region average. Just a scary thought. And if Carroll wins the Midwest conf. tournament, Lawrence will be the first Midwest region offered a C bid.

[Mr. Ypsi]

"Backing in" as phenomenon only happens on the final day of a competive season.

Augie still has two more games to clinch it outright, and they still would have had two more games if IWU had won.

What you say in the second sentence is obviously true.  What you say in the first is open to question.  I may be misremembering, but didn't the Pistons clinch the East last year on a night they lost (and at least 3-4 games before the end of the season)?  I seem to recall that they all griped about 'backing in' and vowed to 'validate' it the next game (which I seem to recall they won by, like, 40).  I think that to at least some athletes, 'backing in' does have the broader meaning I gave it, and is a challenge to their egos.

[Brick]

I'm still looking for a Carroll upset of Lawerence in two days

[augie_superfan]

I don't think the regional rankings come out till Wednesday and the NIIC is not an AQ conference this year as far as I know.

Here is how I think the next regional rankings will go:

1. Lawrence              
2. Augustana            
3. Carroll                    
4. Transylvania          
5. Illinois Wesleyan    
6. Lakeland                
7. Wash U                  
8. Franklin

Next in line:

North Central        
Elmhurst              

[Brick]

Augie what makes you think that Augustana won't drop down to three or four??  Thats at least what I was expecting to see...

[Titan Q]

This from the Pool C board.  Teams crossed out are teams that would have Pool A/B bids if the season ended today...teams in bold are the top 18 Pool C candidates per QOWI.

I think I got this right.  The top 18 not leading a conference currently. (Number 19 is Williams, if anyone was curious).

1-10
Amherst     12.091     21-1
Lawrence    11.444    18-0
Trinity (Texas)    11.188    14-2
Worcester Polytech    11.143    18-3
Mississippi College    10.950    19-1 
Carnegie Mellon    10.938    13-3
York (Pa.)    10.905    19-2
Cortland State    10.900    19-1
Occidental    10.833    11-1
St. John Fisher    10.789    18-1
               
11-20
Wooster    10.737    18-1
Augustana    10.700    18-2
Tufts    10.682    18-4
Wittenberg    10.667    16-2
Lincoln    10.563    12-4 (Pool B lock)
Virginia Wesleyan    10.522    20-3
Illinois Wesleyan    10.471    13-4
Transylvania    10.364    18-4
Baldwin-Wallace    10.333    19-2
New York University     10.333     17-4

21-30
Hope    10.267    13-2                     
Carroll    10.263    17-2
Gordon    10.250    18-2
William Paterson    10.238    15-6
UW-La Crosse    10.227    17-5
Calvin    10.200    9-1                           
Baruch    10.190    19-2
New Jersey    10.158    14-5
Randolph-Macon    10.143    16-5
Trinity (Conn.)    10.111    14-4

31-40
Rochester    10.056    13-5
Bates    10.050    15-5
Widener    10.048    18-3
St. Thomas    10.045    17-5
Carleton    10.000    15-4
Howard Payne    9.950    15-5
SUNY-Farmingdale    9.947    15-4
Washington U.    9.875    11-5
Ursinus    9.857    17-4
Wartburg    9.842    16-3

41-50
Albion    9.833    10-2
Puget Sound    9.800    13-2
Lakeland    9.800    16-4
Fisk    9.769    9-4 (Pool B)
Westfield State    9.762    14-7
UW-Stout    9.737    15-4
Johns Hopkins    9.684    15-4
Alvernia    9.667    18-3
Keene State    9.650    14-6
Christopher Newport    9.636    9-2

51-60
UW-Whitewater    9.611    13-5
Maryville (Tenn.)    9.600    14-6 (Pool B)
Whitworth    9.600    15-5

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[Titan Q]

At this stage when looking at QOWI, you have to look at what opponents can move up/down in winning % bands.  For example, with IWU...

Wash U: 11-5 (.688) - @ Brandies, @ NYU, @ Chicago
(IWU win could go from 15 to 13 if Wash U falls below .667)

Illinois College: 7-13 (.350) - vs Monmouth, @ Knox
(IWU win could go from 11 to 9 if IC falls below .333)

Hanover: 12-6 (.667) - vs. Mt. St. Joseph, @ Franklin
(IWU win could go from 14 to 12 if HC falls below .667)


Again, I'd like to stress that flying home from LAX on January 2 I never thought I'd be doing any Illinois College in-region winning % analysis in February.

[Titan Q]

Hypothetical...

* IWU wins out (@ Augie, vs NPU)

* Augie loses out (vs IWU, @ NCC)

* North Central wins out (@ Elmhurst, vs Augie)

* Elmhurst loses at home to NCC but beats Wheaton


Elmhurst wins conference tournament........


....4 CCIW teams make NCAA tournament?

[Mr. Ypsi]

Q,

I think your scenario is the only way the CCIW MIGHT get four (though if Elmhurst wins the tourney you don't need to specify the Wheaton game, unless you thoght that necessary for Elmhurst to even MAKE the tourney). 

NCC's QOWI would probably still put them on the bubble, though it might be good enough under your scenario, even though that means another loss in the tourney.  If Augie was on a five game losing streak (or 5 of 6), they MIGHT be on the bubble.  IWU would probably still be safe under that scenario.  Yeah, that MIGHT make four, but I think our more serious debate is 2 or 3?

If all the stars align, four IS possible!

[Gregory Sager]

( I think the Northern IL league still gets a Pool A bid this year, right?).

No, the NIIC only has six members now, as Dominican jumped ship and moved to the LMC this year. The NIIC is contending for Pool B rather than Pool A.

[Gregory Sager]

Regardless as to who won the game and whether your favorite team wins or loses, you shake the guy's hand!  That goes back to All I needed to learn I learned in Kindergarten.

The heck with wondering if Wheaton players will shake hands with their opponents after a big win. I want to know if Wheaton players hold each other's hands while crossing the street.