MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Titan Q]

How about predictions for the second team?  Or does anybody really care.

As far as the 2nd Team, 5 of these 6...

Tony Bollier (Sr), Wheaton - 14.8 ppg, 4.5 apg
Kyle Jeffery (So), Carthage - 21.3 ppg, 5.4 rpg
Drew Gensler (Fr), Millikin - 19.2 ppg, 3.6 apg
Jay McAdams-Thorton (Sr), Augustana - 13.0 ppg, 4.4 rpg
Nick Michael (Jr), Elmhurst - 15.5 ppg, 6.1 rpg
Zach Freeman (Jr), IWU - 15.1 ppg, 7.2 rpg

(CCIW only stats)

How about throwing this name in the mix for 2nd team.
Dan Walton (Jr)- 14.3 ppg, 7.0 rpg, .528 fg% 
He also is an Academic All-American candidate!  Very Nice!

I forgot all about Walton...he's definitely in the 2nd team mix.

[joehakes]

Mellow, but certainly not hollow!!

[Dennis_Prikkel]

BTW, when was the last time a first teamer scored 0 points in a game? )  

Leon Gobczynski of Millikin scored 976 points in 1974.  He had 9 points in one game (non=league), 5 points in another vs IWU (that cost the Big Blue a share of the league title) and 0 at Augustana.  Hamming and Michalski double teamed him all night and Gobo eventually fouled out.

I'm told, even by Augie fans that witnessed the game, that Gobo got screwed, but still a zero for a guy who averaged 36 points per game is an amazing accomplishment.

MW

[cardinalpride]

BTW, when was the last time a first teamer scored 0 points in a game? )  

Leon Gobczynski of Millikin scored 976 points in 1974.  He had 9 points in one game (non=league), 5 points in another vs IWU (that cost the Big Blue a share of the league title) and 0 at Augustana.  Hamming and Michalski double teamed him all night and Gobo eventually fouled out.

I'm told, even by Augie fans that witnessed the game, that Gobo got screwed, but still a zero for a guy who averaged 36 points per game is an amazing accomplishment.

MW

Dennis, you've been around an awfully long time!   Thanks for your wealth of knowledge.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

BTW, when was the last time a first teamer scored 0 points in a game? )  

Leon Gobczynski of Millikin scored 976 points in 1974.  He had 9 points in one game (non=league), 5 points in another vs IWU (that cost the Big Blue a share of the league title) and 0 at Augustana.  Hamming and Michalski double teamed him all night and Gobo eventually fouled out.

I'm told, even by Augie fans that witnessed the game, that Gobo got screwed, but still a zero for a guy who averaged 36 points per game is an amazing accomplishment.

MW

Dennis, you've been around an awfully long time!   Thanks for your wealth of knowledge.

Why, thank you Cardinal pride, I resemble that remark.

MW

[Mr. Ypsi]

Why, thank you Cardinal pride, I resemble that remark.

MW

Who else is waiting with bated breath to see what Joe Hakes will say he also resembles?

[Dennis_Prikkel]

Time for a rabid (or rapid) reduction in my Karma points.  

With heavily-favored IWU NOT winning the CCIW championship this year, are the 2006 Titans the 'best' team to not win the CCIW title?

I give you three nominees:

1967 - Millikin, finished 9-3 to IWU 10-2.  Millikin beat IWU twice, but lost on the road at Carthage, Augie and NPC, by a total of less than 5 points (me thinks).  This team had Jesse Price, Jack Sunderlik and a point guard named Hill (sorry first name escapes me).

1974 - the aforementioned Millikin team, lost to IWU on the last night of the regular season to finished 14-2, with Augie going 15-1.  The two teams split their regular season matchups.  This big blue team had Gobo, Dietelhoff and Parker, all first-team all league.

1988 - NPC - defending national champs, with two All-Americans, including 1987 CCIW MOP Mike Starks and 1988 CCIW MOP Mike Barach, and all-CCIW center Dan Mulkerin all returning.  The Vikings never filled the void left by graduated point-guard Mike Parker from the 1987 team and had to rely on freshmen point guards.

2006 - IWU - Keelan & Adam and six other seniors, undefeated in their tough non-league schedule and ranked #1 in the nation.


MW

[augiedad]

In 2003 Augustana tied IWU and Carthage at 11-3 for a share of the CCIW championship.  In 2004 the Vikings returned everyone but bench role player Mike Nee, all 5 starters were back (Drew Carstens, Jim Thomas, Joe Baumann, Brad Novak, Shaun Clements) .  Augustana was the D3Hoops.com preseason #9 and a unanimous pick to win the CCIW in the coaches poll.  Augie went 10-4, losing the title by 2 games to an upstart group of IWU sophs (Dauksas, Amelianovich, etc), including the infamous 29-3 game on senior night in Rock Island. 

In 2000 Carthage went 11-3, winning the league behind the cast of freshmen Rob Garnes & Antoine McDaniel and sophomore Jason Wiertel.  In 2001 Carthage was the preseason #2 in the country and unanimous pick in CCIW coaches poll.   They had everyone back plus D1 transfer Greg K (sp?).  Elmhurst, led by Ryan Knuppel, won the CCIW.  IWU got to Salem.

How bout IWU in 1996?  The Titans won the CCIW in 1995 behind Simich, Crabtree, Hutson, Litwiller, etc.  Those guys all returned but IWU did not win it.  Wheaton did.  Again, IWU got to Salem.

The IWU '93 team has been mentioned here.  Kunka, Kuehl, Martin, etc, heavy favorites, but finishing 9-5 while 12-2 Augie went to the national title game.

Stuff happens guys.

[augiedad]

One other thought -

Had IWU won the OT game in Rock Island 4 days ago, the Titans would be co-champions.  (Augie 10-4, IWU 10-4.)  The line between 11-3 and 9-5 can be as thin as a couple bounces of the ball.

I don't think this group of Titans is going to go away quietly.

[Mr. Ypsi]

One other thought -

Had IWU won the OT game in Rock Island 4 days ago, the Titans would be co-champions.  (Augie 10-4, IWU 10-4.)  The line between 11-3 and 9-5 can be as thin as a couple bounces of the ball.

I don't think this group of Titans is going to go away quietly.

Man, I hope you're right!!

Despite the 4th seed in the inaugural conference tourney, I, at least, have not thrown in the towel on the Walnut and Bronze in Salem!

(I'm FAR less confident than two months ago, but I still have hope!)

[Jim Matson]

On stats alone, it is not an easy call on Bollier for 2nd team honors.  But considering his impact and performance away from the ball, he ought to be a strong choice.

I haven't been around as Dennis or Joe (is there a 30s station on XM radio?), but I can say to all skeptics that over the past 20 years, Wesleyan has done well in the post-season in those years where they have had to fight to get there. 

[joehakes]

BTW, when was the last time a first teamer scored 0 points in a game? ) 

Leon Gobczynski of Millikin scored 976 points in 1974.  He had 9 points in one game (non=league), 5 points in another vs IWU (that cost the Big Blue a share of the league title) and 0 at Augustana.  Hamming and Michalski double teamed him all night and Gobo eventually fouled out.

I'm told, even by Augie fans that witnessed the game, that Gobo got screwed, but still a zero for a guy who averaged 36 points per game is an amazing accomplishment.

MW

Dennis, you've been around an awfully long time!   Thanks for your wealth of knowledge.

Actually, being around Dennis for any length of time is awful.  It always seems long.

Hiker Jim remembers me fondly as one of his favorite (and lowest paid) teachers at Wheaton.   Wasn't that your introduction to the microphone?

[joehakes]

And what is this XM stuff?  I know AM and FM.  What happened to all the letters between F and X and their M's?

[Ralph Turner]

I want to focus on the  CCIW's  in-regon scheduling and the impact that their scheduling and attendant success has had on the QOWI's of each team over the QOWI that each achieved from their conference records.

Team          in-region non-conference record  QOWI Change
Augie                            8-0                                   0
NCC                              5-0                                   +2
IWU                              5-0                                   +2
Elmhurst                       5-2                                   +2
Carthage                      3-3                                    0
Wheaton                      3-4                                    0
Millikin                           5-2                                    +2
NPU                               1-7                                   0
Total                            35-18                                 +8 on single round robin

I think that the CCIW may get 2 Pool C bids.

Each team had 16 points added to the numerator in the calculation of the index.  On a 20 game season, that impact is 0.8 points on the Index.

The extra 0.8 points on the Index is the approximate difference between:

#10 and #34

#20 and #65

#30 and #79.

That is a huge difference and the CCIW has made much of it!

Now all that I need is for Coach C to come on here and talk about a "friggin" regional metric applied on a national basis.  

[Mr. Ypsi]

Now all that I need is for Coach C to come on here and talk about a "friggin" regional metric applied on a national basis.  

Ralph, rest assured there are plenty of CCIW posters (including me) who would also make that argument (and have), but for tonite I won't be one of them!