MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Titan Q]

Wonder if Albion could beat Bradley?  Or maybe just 75 D1 teams?

Nicely played.

[iwu70]

Q, I just disagree.  And, the facts are that the Titans didn't get a good shot, the ball was not in the hands of one of IWU's better trey shooters.  Yes, Overstreet took it down, but didn't get a good look or a good shot.  IMHO, there should have been a time-out and the ball in the hands of Dolan or Nelson for the three, or a pass to someone near the basket for a two.  It didn't work out well at all.  Everyone I was with watching the game just couldn't believe that the last 10 seconds weren't managed well in terms of getting the best possible shot, set something up off a short time-out, to win the game.  Oh well, it's a bad loss to start out the season.  Everyone's entitled to their own opinion and we can always second guess the Coach about what happened.  Titans surely didn't play well, have to figure it all out and find a new identity, for sure.  I'm sure it will get better as the newbies -- esp. Coyle and Seibring -- find their new roles with greater confidence.  Marietti must have some kind of injury, foot problem, as he did not start the game. 

Good start on the women's side, for sure.  Titans showing some real tenacity and spunk early.  Women's soccer in the last sixteen, a first for the Titan program.  Playing a Sweet Sixteen game this weekend. 

IWU70

[Titan Q]

Q, I just disagree.  And, the facts are that the Titans didn't get a good shot, the ball was not in the hands of one of IWU's better trey shooters.  Yes, Overstreet took it down, but didn't get a good look or a good shot.  IMHO, there should have been a time-out and the ball in the hands of Dolan or Nelson for the three, or a pass to someone near the basket for a two.  It didn't work out well at all.  Everyone I was with watching the game just couldn't believe that the last 10 seconds weren't managed well in terms of getting the best possible shot, set something up off a short time-out, to win the game. 

The play was not executed well, but:

1) In the WJBC post-game show Ron Rose said that in the timeout with 40 seconds to play (when BU had the ball up 1) they talked about all scenarios.  They discussed what they were going to do after a BU miss and a rebound or after a BU make, etc. 

2) Again, I am confident that most coaches prefer to not call timeout there.  The thinking is that calling timeout gives the defense time to get organized...better to have the defense kind of scrambling.  Kind of like this Wheaton win over IWU - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsw28ZxBoH4.

The bottom line is that IWU did not execute what they wanted to do.

[USee]

IWU70-

So down 1 your play is to get the ball  "in the hands of one of the better trey shooters"? You realize shooting a 3 ball, good as IWU may be at this, is about a 30-40% probability? I agree with Q, have your all conference guard try and create something amidst the chaos. Penetration off the dribble after a basket is a much higher probability than a 3 ball. And doing it without a timeout (especially after you talked about it in the previous timeout) is also a higher probability.

[Titan Q]

Another recent, rather famous D3 example on why you don't call timeout in that situation...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sAQp1HDUC0

[Gregory Sager]

I'm with Bob and USee on this one. In that scenario, you don't call a timeout. A timeout allows the defense to set up; continuous play means that the defense is much more likely to be broken down. This is especially true when you have a capable and experienced point guard like Overstreet. And, as USee said, when you only need one point to tie and two to win you don't worry about setting something up for a trey attempt; you concentrate upon either driving to the basket or executing a drive-and-dish down low. A low-percentage shot like a trey should only be taken as a last resort at the buzzer if no other option is left.

The fact that the Titans didn't score doesn't mean that Ron Rose made the wrong decision. Sometimes the coach makes the right endgame decision and his team still loses. Sometimes the coach makes the wrong endgame decision and his team wins. That's basketball. But the percentages for IWU in that situation were more favorable without a timeout.

[iwu70]

Then if the Titans had talked this over and had the advantage of the D scrambling, why did Overstreet, not a particularly high percentage trey shooter, take a well-defended, poor look 3?  I would have preferred a better set play coming out of a Time-out with a higher percentage shooter taking the shot off of a good solid high screen, with some guys rolling to the basket for the potential RB and put back.  If they'd talked about it in the previous Time out sure seems the execution was far from what supposedly had been decided earlier.  We'll never know.  All we know is that was a pretty bad loss for IWU and the execution, with whatever guidance from the previous Time out was poor.  I guess you are saying that Ron Rose made the right endgame decision, but in this case his team lost.  That's basketball too.  I think he could have had a better percentage shot from a better percentage shooter from a better place on the floor, with the Time out.   Oh well, everyone entitled to their own opinion. 

IWU70

[toooldtohoop]

Then if the Titans had talked this over and had the advantage of the D scrambling, why did Overstreet, not a particularly high percentage trey shooter, take a well-defended, poor look 3?  I would have preferred a better set play coming out of a Time-out with a higher percentage shooter taking the shot off of a good solid high screen, with some guys rolling to the basket for the potential RB and put back.  If they'd talked about it in the previous Time out sure seems the execution was far from what supposedly had been decided earlier.  We'll never know.  All we know is that was a pretty bad loss for IWU and the execution, with whatever guidance from the previous Time out was poor.  I guess you are saying that Ron Rose made the right endgame decision, but in this case his team lost.  That's basketball too.  I think he could have had a better percentage shot from a better percentage shooter from a better place on the floor, with the Time out.   Oh well, everyone entitled to their own opinion. 

IWU70

Maybe Rose recognized that Rossi was unavailable for the last possession and just decided to give it to Overstreet and hope for the best?

[Gotberg]

Greg Sager,

NPU roster was released last week and since then, several names already disappeared - any news?

[AndOne]

Greg Sager,

NPU roster was released last week and since then, several names already disappeared - any news?

Among others, JayQuan Lee, and Ryan "I'm within sight of the gym, can I shoot now" Hym.

[iwu70]

Tooold, you have a good thought there.  I'm sure even Ron Rose didn't think of that!  Or at least Nelson or Dolan on the night.  Yes, you can chide me all you wish.  It was not good clock or play management at the end of that game, that loss. 

Let's hope the Titans manage a bit better this weekend in Jacksonville.  I'm sure none of those teams are going to be too too impressed with the Titans at #4 ranking either.

IWU70

[Titan Q]

Yes, you can chide me all you wish.  It was not good clock or play management at the end of that game, that loss. 

Here is the play...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et-SCRNqQFA&feature=youtube_gdata&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

The ball was either going to Jordan Nelson at the FT line or Mike Marietti on an over-the-top pass in the low post.  Unfortunately both IWU players got bottled up in the lane and just didn't get free in time -- BU defended the play very well.  With things unraveling, Overstreet made the decision with 5 seconds left to shoot a 3.

Clock management and play management were fine.  IWU just did not execute the play...and most of that was because BU defended it well.  That happens.

The Titans lost this game down the stretch when they couldn't build on a 5-point lead and pull away for good.  IWU didn't play well enough to win the game.

[Gotberg]

Greg Sager,

NPU roster was released last week and since then, several names already disappeared - any news?

Among others, JayQuan Lee, and Ryan "I'm within sight of the gym, can I shoot now" Hym.

I don't think Ryan H. was listed on the roster last week, but I think JayQuan Lee was...

There was also a 6'6'' post player and a 6'5'' forward both gone.  Although I think the 6'5'' forward may have been the player that broke his leg.

[havej]

Titan Q - appreciate the link showing the play.  Not a real imaginative set, really not that difficult to defend especially considering the location of IWU players on the weak side.  They didn't appear to be a threat which allowed help on the big rolling.

Didn't look like Overstreet was in position to attack as he was pounding the ball waiting for the initial action - when that didn't materialize he had to settle.

[petemcb]

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure this is a different YouTube than was posted earlier when Colin Lake first committed to NPU.  Even if it's not, it's worth a look.  (Just be sure you mute the sound -  the sound track is incredibly annoying.  This guy should be fun to watch.  If he was paired up with Henry, they would have to be the smallest, but perhaps most exciting, backcourt in the CCIW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPhYmn-aqsA