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GoPerry

Quote from: AndOne on February 23, 2015, 02:29:13 AM

Now that the desired (by NCC) results are in, I can share some information with regard to the Cardinals game plan for last night's contest. On the surface, it might have seemed to be a bit risky, but in actuality it was a very solid plan that centered on 3 primary factors:

* Part A was being comfortable with Juwan Henry netting as many as 40 points, and being able to limit each of NPU's other players.
                                             


Quote from: NCC on February 23, 2015, 11:56:51 AM

When Hunter Hill comes to town, I am not worried about him single handedly winning the game for his team (I am actually more worried about other players to be honest)... When Overstreet comes to town, I am not worried about him single handedly winning the game for his team (Once again I am much more worried about the bigs controlling the game or Nelson having 20-25 points)... If anything, Touscher from Wheaton is more impressive and important then either of those guys. 



Neither was Todd Raridon re: Henry,  according to AndOne's post.

Quote from: NCC on February 23, 2015, 11:56:51 AM

Anyone who watched the NCC vs NPU game Saturday not only got to see his scoring ability, but also his defense.  Steal after steal and made Kennell, and even Moten, from NCC look very very bad several times.  NPU wins that game if he doesn't pick up his 4th foul early.. Changed the whole energy of the game (and it was a very lame call)

Your point of course is well taken as Henry did have probably his best game of the year Saturday albeit in a losing effort.  In fact, his two best games this year statistically were the 2 games vs North Central which is rather interesting.  Perhaps that was the byproduct of the Cardinal strategy of letting Henry get his?


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Quote from: WUH on February 23, 2015, 10:06:38 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 22, 2015, 04:00:10 PM
[...] Tim Calderwood for Elmhurst, John Weiser for Carthage, and the Chris Ford / Dan Sand team for Augustana, who are totally professional, well-prepared, and give an honest call. Those guys are a real pleasure to hear call a game, and among other local broadcasters I'd add Jay Murry of Wash U to that list.

For what it is worth, John Weiser and the Carthage broadcast is one of my favorites. 

I know they are not exactly local, but I love the broadcasts coming out of Case Western Reserve and Stevens Point for both the quality of the broadcast and the quality of the announcers.

Those guys over in Point have been doing it for 85 years!
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AndOne

Quote from: GoPerry on February 23, 2015, 01:05:45 PM
Quote from: AndOne on February 23, 2015, 02:29:13 AM

Now that the desired (by NCC) results are in, I can share some information with regard to the Cardinals game plan for last night's contest. On the surface, it might have seemed to be a bit risky, but in actuality it was a very solid plan that centered on 3 primary factors:

* Part A was being comfortable with Juwan Henry netting as many as 40 points, and being able to limit each of NPU's other players.
                                             


Quote from: NCC on February 23, 2015, 11:56:51 AM

When Hunter Hill comes to town, I am not worried about him single handedly winning the game for his team (I am actually more worried about other players to be honest)... When Overstreet comes to town, I am not worried about him single handedly winning the game for his team (Once again I am much more worried about the bigs controlling the game or Nelson having 20-25 points)... If anything, Touscher from Wheaton is more impressive and important then either of those guys.


Neither was Todd Raridon re: Henry,  according to AndOne's post.


Very true. I guarantee it.

AndOne

Quote from: GoPerry on February 23, 2015, 01:05:45 PM

Quote from: NCC on February 23, 2015, 11:56:51 AM

Anyone who watched the NCC vs NPU game Saturday not only got to see his scoring ability, but also his defense.  Steal after steal and made Kennell, and even Moten, from NCC look very very bad several times.  NPU wins that game if he doesn't pick up his 4th foul early.. Changed the whole energy of the game (and it was a very lame call)

Your point of course is well taken as Henry did have probably his best game of the year Saturday albeit in a losing effort.  In fact, his two best games this year statistically were the 2 games vs North Central which is rather interesting.  Perhaps that was the byproduct of the Cardinal strategy of letting Henry get his?

Not in the first game. And, even if it had been, and that part had worked, it would not have made any difference. Just about every eastern Viking played well that day and they would have beaten any other conference team that day as well. Greg Sager and I discussed this after the game. It was true that day, and still is today.

veterancciwfan

CCIW Conf. Tournament Facts: 1) The #1 seed has won 5 times, the #2 seed 4 times & the #3 and #4 seeds have never won. 2) Overall record of #1 seeds: 11-4  3) Overall record of #2 seeds: 12-5    Augie and NCC have each won the tournament 3 times, Wheaton twice, Carthage once.

Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: veterancciwfan on February 23, 2015, 10:00:44 PM
CCIW Conf. Tournament Facts: 1) The #1 seed has won 5 times, the #2 seed 4 times & the #3 and #4 seeds have never won. 2) Overall record of #1 seeds: 11-4  3) Overall record of #2 seeds: 12-5    Augie and NCC have each won the tournament 3 times, Wheaton twice, Carthage once.

Notice which team is NOT listed there. ;)  IWU has been to Salem 2 of the last 3 years, but they have never won the conference tourney!  IF the Titans reach the final, I'm pretty confident about making the NCAA postseason, but I'd feel a whole lot MORE confident if they just finally win the damn thing!

Titan Q

Video of the dedication of Dennie Bridges Court...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUq1c4piVgI9JBPzujyHXmIQ&v=1i8KU5ORyc8#t=102

This was very well done.  Cool to see a court full of former players...including Jack Sikma.

AndOne

Congrats to NCC's Jack Burchett on being named CCIW Player Of The Week. It is Jack's 2nd such award this season.

http://www.northcentralcardinals.com/news/2015/2/23/MBB_0223151055.aspx

AndOne

Lots of talk recently about the possibility of NPU soph Juwan Henry being named CCIW POY. IMHO, a very credible choice.
However, if its not Mr. Henry what about a player whose final CCIW rankings were as follows:

11th in scoring
1st in rebounding
4th in FG%
5th in assists
11th in blocks
3rd in offensive rebounds
1st in defensive rebounds

None other than NCC senior Jack Burchett, a two time POW recipient.

AndOne

Should Juwan Henry not get POY, and it isn't Burchett, which probably won't happen, I think the other most viable candidate is Augie's Hunter Hill.

CCIW >

Quote from: AndOne on February 24, 2015, 11:41:40 AM
Lots of talk recently about the possibility of NPU soph Juwan Henry being named CCIW POY. IMHO, a very credible choice.
However, if its not Mr. Henry what about a player whose final CCIW rankings were as follows:

11th in scoring
1st in rebounding
4th in FG%
5th in assists
11th in blocks
3rd in offensive rebounds
1st in defensive rebounds

None other than NCC senior Jack Burchett, a two time POW recipient.

Pretty impressive stat line there..
Are Rosenberg and Burchett both 1st Team All-CCIW??
I know Ben Ryan had similar stats as Burchett offensively (11.6 vs 11.4 points per game), but Burchett has the edge in minutes played, offensive and defensive rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, field goal percentage, and this may be wrong, but stats on Augie website show that Burchett is also a better free throw shooter?? I was shocked by that.

Pat Coleman

Quote from: NCC on February 24, 2015, 01:35:25 PM
Quote from: AndOne on February 24, 2015, 11:41:40 AM
Lots of talk recently about the possibility of NPU soph Juwan Henry being named CCIW POY. IMHO, a very credible choice.
However, if its not Mr. Henry what about a player whose final CCIW rankings were as follows:

11th in scoring
1st in rebounding
4th in FG%
5th in assists
11th in blocks
3rd in offensive rebounds
1st in defensive rebounds

None other than NCC senior Jack Burchett, a two time POW recipient.

Pretty impressive stat line there..
Are Rosenberg and Burchett both 1st Team All-CCIW??
I know Ben Ryan had similar stats as Burchett offensively (11.6 vs 11.4 points per game), but Burchett has the edge in minutes played, offensive and defensive rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, field goal percentage, and this may be wrong, but stats on Augie website show that Burchett is also a better free throw shooter?? I was shocked by that.

If a coach is looking at stats to make their decision (and I suspect they probably won't be), I don't think they'll look at this stat line above and think of Burchett as being in the top three in three categories, as listed here. They'll think of him as being in the top three in one.
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AndOne

Quote from: NCC on February 24, 2015, 01:35:25 PM
Quote from: AndOne on February 24, 2015, 11:41:40 AM
Lots of talk recently about the possibility of NPU soph Juwan Henry being named CCIW POY. IMHO, a very credible choice.
However, if its not Mr. Henry what about a player whose final CCIW rankings were as follows:

11th in scoring
1st in rebounding
4th in FG%
5th in assists
11th in blocks
3rd in offensive rebounds
1st in defensive rebounds

None other than NCC senior Jack Burchett, a two time POW recipient.

Pretty impressive stat line there..
Are Rosenberg and Burchett both 1st Team All-CCIW??


IMHO, yes. However, I do admit to a little bias. Overall, Jack's stats were a little higher than Charlie's. And, the coaches are not going to put two guys from a team that finished fourth on the first team.

AndOne

Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2015, 01:36:34 PM
Quote from: NCC on February 24, 2015, 01:35:25 PM
Quote from: AndOne on February 24, 2015, 11:41:40 AM
Lots of talk recently about the possibility of NPU soph Juwan Henry being named CCIW POY. IMHO, a very credible choice.
However, if its not Mr. Henry what about a player whose final CCIW rankings were as follows:

11th in scoring
1st in rebounding
4th in FG%
5th in assists
11th in blocks
3rd in offensive rebounds
1st in defensive rebounds

None other than NCC senior Jack Burchett, a two time POW recipient.

Pretty impressive stat line there..
Are Rosenberg and Burchett both 1st Team All-CCIW??
I know Ben Ryan had similar stats as Burchett offensively (11.6 vs 11.4 points per game), but Burchett has the edge in minutes played, offensive and defensive rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, field goal percentage, and this may be wrong, but stats on Augie website show that Burchett is also a better free throw shooter?? I was shocked by that.

If a coach is looking at stats to make their decision (and I suspect they probably won't be), I don't think they'll look at this stat line above and think of Burchett as being in the top three in three categories, as listed here. They'll think of him as being in the top three in one.

No matter what slant you want to put on it, Jack had a great year. No amount of nitpicking is going to diminish his accomplishments. If you try hard enough, you can lessen what just about any player did. However, the fact remains that Jack was one of the most outstanding players in one of the best conferences in the land. As his accomplishments speak for themselves, I'll leave it at that.

Pat Coleman

Quote from: AndOne on February 24, 2015, 02:16:36 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2015, 01:36:34 PM
Quote from: NCC on February 24, 2015, 01:35:25 PM
Quote from: AndOne on February 24, 2015, 11:41:40 AM
Lots of talk recently about the possibility of NPU soph Juwan Henry being named CCIW POY. IMHO, a very credible choice.
However, if its not Mr. Henry what about a player whose final CCIW rankings were as follows:

11th in scoring
1st in rebounding
4th in FG%
5th in assists
11th in blocks
3rd in offensive rebounds
1st in defensive rebounds

None other than NCC senior Jack Burchett, a two time POW recipient.

Pretty impressive stat line there..
Are Rosenberg and Burchett both 1st Team All-CCIW??
I know Ben Ryan had similar stats as Burchett offensively (11.6 vs 11.4 points per game), but Burchett has the edge in minutes played, offensive and defensive rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, field goal percentage, and this may be wrong, but stats on Augie website show that Burchett is also a better free throw shooter?? I was shocked by that.

If a coach is looking at stats to make their decision (and I suspect they probably won't be), I don't think they'll look at this stat line above and think of Burchett as being in the top three in three categories, as listed here. They'll think of him as being in the top three in one.

No matter what slant you want to put on it, Jack had a great year. No amount of nitpicking is going to diminish his accomplishments. If you try hard enough, you can lessen what just about any player did. However, the fact remains that Jack was one of the most outstanding players in one of the best conferences in the land. As his accomplishments speak for themselves, I'll leave it at that.

I don't believe calling a rebound a rebound is nitpicking. Generally when we summarize a stat line, we don't see three entries for rebounds. :)
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