MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Pat Coleman]

The reason why larger regions have larger rankings is actually in order to keep it from being a disadvantage. If one of every 6.5 teams is in the regional rankings, then a team in the Northeast theoretically has as easy a time finding a team nearby as does one in the Atlantic.

Of course, your mileage may vary (island mileage, especially).

[AO]

The reason why larger regions have larger rankings is actually in order to keep it from being a disadvantage. If one of every 6.5 teams is in the regional rankings, then a team in the Northeast theoretically has as easy a time finding a team nearby as does one in the Atlantic.

Of course, your mileage may vary (island mileage, especially).

Sure, but more teams is more teams.  No good way to solve it if you want to stick with the regional only criteria as Whitworth isn't going to suddenly find a bunch of new teams nearby.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Bradley fired Geno Ford yesterday... I've been told Augustana's Grey Giovanine will be a leading candidate for the job.

[augiefan]

Hope you are wrong, although Coach G certainly is a worthy candidate. Coach G gave up a D I job with Lamar, because as I recall he did not likely the midmajor D I recruiting pressures. Maybe he is ready for another shot at a midmajor job now that his family is older.

[AppletonRocks]

Here are the time lapse videos I promised you guys: http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2015/salem-civic-center-timelapse

Two observations--the one guy from the caterer ate three deserts before dinner, and that foul not called on Point in the last minute or so was egregious. 

Thanks for sharing. 

[Greek Tragedy]

From what I heard, Coach G was so old school that he bussed Augustana to Salem instead of flying. On the way there, they had a shoot around at Butler's Hinkle Field House...of course famed for Hoosiers. That's pretty cool. No word if Gene Hackman gave any motivational speeches.

Any Augie confirmation on this?

[Greek Tragedy]

Thanks Pat,

I didn't realize they took into account on where the regionally ranked opponent was actually ranked. In that situation,  I do think it's a little unfair for the #3 ranked Central region team to be viewed the same as the #3 ranked team in the obviously weaker East region.

Well, and in fairness, I don't know that they do that. They could correct for a team being ranked third in a region which ranks six or seven teams as opposed to one that ranks nine or 11.

This, of course,  puts the WIAC and CCIW at even more of a disadvantage when the WIAC moved to the newly named Central region. 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

From what I heard, Coach G was so old school that he bussed Augustana to Salem instead of flying. On the way there, they had a shoot around at Butler's Hinkle Field House...of course famed for Hoosiers. That's pretty cool. No word if Gene Hackman gave any motivational speeches.

Any Augie confirmation on this?

More like Augustana didn't like the idea of busing to Chicago... flying to Charlotte... then busing to Salem/Roanoke which is apparently what the NCAA had come up with for a flight option. So they bused instead.

And yes... they visited Hinkle. Talked about aplenty in Salem.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Thanks Pat,

I didn't realize they took into account on where the regionally ranked opponent was actually ranked. In that situation,  I do think it's a little unfair for the #3 ranked Central region team to be viewed the same as the #3 ranked team in the obviously weaker East region.

Well, and in fairness, I don't know that they do that. They could correct for a team being ranked third in a region which ranks six or seven teams as opposed to one that ranks nine or 11.

This, of course,  puts the WIAC and CCIW at even more of a disadvantage when the WIAC moved to the newly named Central region.

They don't exactly say #3 in one region is equal to the #3 in the other region.

When they are looking at the vRRO... they are indicating: ok... Team A beat the best team in their region while losing four games to the bottom third of those regionally ranked. Team B lost two to the bottom third of the region, but they beat two in the middle-tier while losing at the top. So Team A is 1-4 vRRO with a good win and losses to the bottom third while Team B is 2-3 vRRO but with better outcomes than the first team.

Furthermore, if they are comparing two teams and they both have wins against #3's in their regions... the committee will then take a look at who those #3s are and determine if those teams are equal or if there is a difference. Any difference would favor the "better" #3 thus giving the edge to whomever played them.

I hope that makes sense... but that is what they mean, and take advantage, by the term "results."

[kiko]

From what I heard, Coach G was so old school that he bussed Augustana to Salem instead of flying. On the way there, they had a shoot around at Butler's Hinkle Field House...of course famed for Hoosiers. That's pretty cool. No word if Gene Hackman gave any motivational speeches.

Any Augie confirmation on this?

Photo from their twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/Augustana_Hoops/status/578262211333910528

[Pat Coleman]

From what I heard, Coach G was so old school that he bussed Augustana to Salem instead of flying. On the way there, they had a shoot around at Butler's Hinkle Field House...of course famed for Hoosiers. That's pretty cool. No word if Gene Hackman gave any motivational speeches.

Any Augie confirmation on this?

Photo from their twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/Augustana_Hoops/status/578262211333910528

I hope they also tweet a photo of whatever thank-you letter they get from the NCAA for saving them so much money.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Won't be as good as George Fox's thank you note LOL

[sac]

Thanks Pat,

I didn't realize they took into account on where the regionally ranked opponent was actually ranked. In that situation,  I do think it's a little unfair for the #3 ranked Central region team to be viewed the same as the #3 ranked team in the obviously weaker East region.

Well, and in fairness, I don't know that they do that. They could correct for a team being ranked third in a region which ranks six or seven teams as opposed to one that ranks nine or 11.

This, of course,  puts the WIAC and CCIW at even more of a disadvantage when the WIAC moved to the newly named Central region.

The Northern Athletics Conference and the Midwest  Conference would like a word with you and your "disadvantage" in the Central Region.

[AO]

Thanks Pat,

I didn't realize they took into account on where the regionally ranked opponent was actually ranked. In that situation,  I do think it's a little unfair for the #3 ranked Central region team to be viewed the same as the #3 ranked team in the obviously weaker East region.

Well, and in fairness, I don't know that they do that. They could correct for a team being ranked third in a region which ranks six or seven teams as opposed to one that ranks nine or 11.

This, of course,  puts the WIAC and CCIW at even more of a disadvantage when the WIAC moved to the newly named Central region.

They don't exactly say #3 in one region is equal to the #3 in the other region.

When they are looking at the vRRO... they are indicating: ok... Team A beat the best team in their region while losing four games to the bottom third of those regionally ranked. Team B lost two to the bottom third of the region, but they beat two in the middle-tier while losing at the top. So Team A is 1-4 vRRO with a good win and losses to the bottom third while Team B is 2-3 vRRO but with better outcomes than the first team.

Furthermore, if they are comparing two teams and they both have wins against #3's in their regions... the committee will then take a look at who those #3s are and determine if those teams are equal or if there is a difference. Any difference would favor the "better" #3 thus giving the edge to whomever played them.

I hope that makes sense... but that is what they mean, and take advantage, by the term "results."

That's good to hear. There's only so much you can do to prove Babson is worse than Stevens Point or Augustana by the criteria.  We all might expect that Augustana is 20 points better and they might prove it later in the season.  But if Babson runs up some good numbers in the NEWMAC it's going to look like a good win on WPI's resume when compared to North Central for the last pool C bid.

[GoPerry]

Here are the time lapse videos I promised you guys: http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2015/salem-civic-center-timelapse

Thanks for the time-lapse;  pretty cool. 

The guy in the blue shirt doing the show, staying late, packing up, should have his pay doubled. . .