MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Dennis_Prikkel]

Does anyone know how many home games Augie would potentially have if they make the tournement, and keep winning

They could potentially host as many as four: Two in the regionals, and two in the sectionals. But that's all up to the committee.

If this was a generation ago, when Carver Center used to host the D3 Final Four, Augustana could theoretically play every single tournament game at home if they kept winning. Not that it did them any good in 1981 (sorry, Dan  ).

And in 1977 Augustana could have hosted every game.  They lost in the regional to I believe Hamline.

When the tournament was 32 teams there were eight regionals.  Until they started rotating the quarterfinal sites, the midwest regional winner and west regional winner alternated hosting the quarterfinal.

That's why NPC went to Humboldt State in 1978 and in 1980 went to New Jersey to play the quarterfinals in St. Peter's gym because Jersey City State won the west regional.  In 1979 NP hosted Chaminade.

MW

[devildog29]

vet and cardinalpride, I absolutely agree that Simmons has out of this world talent.  As many have suggested on this board previously, if the conference MOP did not always go to a player from the conf. champ, Simmons has as much talent as anyone in the league and certainly deserves the award as much as anyone (although I grant that many would say the same thing about Dauksas, Amelianovich, and Martin, but I'm getting a bit off topic).  My point is, IWU's history shows a certain ability to contain several of the premier players in the league (contained Harrigan well, contained Martin well in past years though not as well this year, etc.).  I was just surprised the team didn't make better adjustments coming into the game last night.  Again, not taking anything away from Simmons, some players can create no matter how you guard them, but I was still a little disappointed in the first half results.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

The tightest rotation I ever saw was Bosko's rotation in the 2nd half of the 1985 season.  He basically used six guys: Monegain, Anderson, Hubbard, Kuehn and Lazich were the starters and Parker was the sixth man.

In their final four games in the NCAA tournament, after beating Monmouth at home by 40 in the opener, they won those four games by a combined ten points, and the number of minutes played cumulatively by all the players on the bench beyond Parker could probably be counted on two hands for the four games.  It help that the Vikings regularly played keep-away in the final ten minutes of every game (something that the 35 second clock eliminated).

MW

[Dennis_Prikkel]

Now that the conference tournament is over I just wanted to say thanks to all the regulars and newbies that posted on CCIW chat.  It certainly has been interesting.

If the D3 committee based their selections on what chat sessions on d3sports.com were the most used, the CCIW might get all eight teams in (okay, maybe not NP). 

MW

[cardinalpride]

vet and cardinalpride, I absolutely agree that Simmons has out of this world talent.  As many have suggested on this board previously, if the conference MOP did not always go to a player from the conf. champ, Simmons has as much talent as anyone in the league and certainly deserves the award as much as anyone (although I grant that many would say the same thing about Dauksas, Amelianovich, and Martin, but I'm getting a bit off topic).  My point is, IWU's history shows a certain ability to contain several of the premier players in the league (contained Harrigan well, contained Martin well in past years though not as well this year, etc.).  I was just surprised the team didn't make better adjustments coming into the game last night.  Again, not taking anything away from Simmons, some players can create no matter how you guard them, but I was still a little disappointed in the first half results.

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Devildog, I think what makes Simmons a tough matchup for the titans is his ability to score on all three levels.  He can score with his back to the basket inside, he can consistently hit the 15 footer, and he can step out past three and make them also.  Not to mention, he's so unselfish.  His passing ability is probably better than IWU is used to seeing from a post player.  That makes it tough to doubleteam him right away.  VeteranCCIWFan mentioned that earlier.  He may be the most talented powerforward/center in the country.

[Gregory Sager]

A correction on UWL's in-region record vs. regionally-ranked opponents: It's probably going to play out as 3-4, not 1-4.

[cardinalpride]

3) NCC is the 2nd or 3rd best FG shooting team in the nation. If you double Simmons, any of the other 4 NCC players can burn you. The result of doubling Simmons is often a wide open layup for Walton or Krumtinger.

They're second in the nation as of February 19th's games, at 53.3% for the season.

This brings up something that's been weighing on my mind for several days now. The conventional wisdom in here has been that Todd Raridon plays too short a rotation, that it would wear the team down and that they wouldn't be able to withstand the pressure of the tournament. Well, am I the only one who noticed that North Central won the tourney in spite of the fact that Todd Raridon didn't alter his six-man-plus rotation? Aside from his usual six, only Mitchell Raridon's five minutes on Friday and eleven minutes on Saturday interrupted the rotation.

Lots of people commented in the past upon how tight a rotation Bill Harris tends to play at Wheaton (me, especially  ). But aside from the one year in which injuries held him to basically using only one guy off of the bench for extended minutes (Nick Otten), Harris has never played a rotation as tight as North Central's this year. And not only have the Cardinals not worn down, they beat two very good teams that go much, much deeper (Elmhurst and Illinois Wesleyan) on back-to-back nights.

If your players are good enough and conditioned enough, why break stride and go deeper into the bench than you normally would unless you have to? Todd Raridon apparently feels that there's too steep a drop-off after his first six, as only Mitchell Raridon and Jeff Larson have really seen any semi-significant time at all as the seventh man. This is in stark contrast to his predecessor, since Benjy Taylor tended to play everyone except for the kid popping the popcorn in the northeast corner of the airplane hangar.

It's hard to argue with what works.

Good Point Greg.  Also, I'd like to mention versatility plays a role as well.  NCC's 6th and 7th players can rotate in for any of the starters.  Example, Drennan can sub for the 3,4, or 5 positions and Raridon can sub for the 1,2, or 3 positions.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Now that the conference tournament is over I just wanted to say thanks to all the regulars and newbies that posted on CCIW chat.  It certainly has been interesting.

If the D3 committee based their selections on what chat sessions on d3sports.com were the most used, the CCIW might get all eight teams in (okay, maybe not NP). 

MW

Well, if they abandoned the d3 philosophy (and even d1, for that matter!) and dropped AQs, the CCIW MIGHT well have 7 teams ranked in the top 59!

And NO, I am not advocating that.

[Pat Coleman]

(did that distance ever get measured by Pat on the Streets & Trips software? 'cause it grades out as 199.3 miles campus-to-campus on Mapquest)

Jesus, this should go in the FAQ it's been asked so much this year. Even by Randolph-Macon coaches.

[Stat]

Conference Tourney is the way.That is, if all 3 get in.  Even two.

For how many years has the CCIW been snubbed to one team.  Now 3 is a consideration?

Hard to believe a number one ranked  preseason team will not make it.

[Pat Coleman]

A committee member told me that this is stated pretty vaguely on purpose.  For example, they may say, "LaCrosse has a win over a ranked team...Lakeland does not."  Or "IWU has 3 wins vs ranked teams...Team X has 1."  Nowhere in the Handbook does it say they use a composite record vs ranked teams.

I think it can even go one step further: "UW-La Crosse has played seven games against ranked teams, Lakeland has none."

[Stat]

12120 posts?

MJ All American or "Man, I have way to much time on my hands."


(Don't ban Stat)  

[Mr. Ypsi]

A committee member told me that this is stated pretty vaguely on purpose.  For example, they may say, "LaCrosse has a win over a ranked team...Lakeland does not."  Or "IWU has 3 wins vs ranked teams...Team X has 1."  Nowhere in the Handbook does it say they use a composite record vs ranked teams.

I think it can even go one step further: "UW-La Crosse has played seven games against ranked teams, Lakeland has none."

Which SHOULD give them a clue about the relationship of QOWI to actual strength of schedule, but I doubt it.

[Pat Coleman]

Which SHOULD give them a clue about the relationship of QOWI to actual strength of schedule, but I doubt it.

I think you know full well that they are making steps in the right direction.

Also, you should probably know that the men's basketball committee does not set the criteria or decide how they are calculated.

[Titan Q]

Conference Tourney is the way.That is, if all 3 get in.  Even two.

For how many years has the CCIW been snubbed to one team.  Now 3 is a consideration?

Hard to believe a number one ranked  preseason team will not make it.

Stat, the reason the league may get 3 is because there are 11 more Pool C bids this year.  Most here agreed that Augie, IWU, and NCC were in before the tournament, based on their merits.  All the tourney did was get things back to even.  And had IWU won last night, NCC would probably not be in and the league would have just 2.