MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[markerickson]

Associate members abound in the NCAA D1 level, but I have no idea re: D3.  Is Wash U joining only for football and Carroll is all in?

What are the required sports a member of the CCIW must have?  Obviously not wrestling, tennis or swimming.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Associate members abound in the NCAA D1 level, but I have no idea re: D3.  Is Wash U joining only for football and Carroll is all in?

What are the required sports a member of the CCIW must have?  Obviously not wrestling, tennis or swimming.

Carroll will rejoin as a full member; WashU is a football only affiliate.

[Gregory Sager]

Where have you gone Elmhurst recruiting. Two guys thus far is not enough, when you will be replacing at least 8 of your top ten next year. I hope they are not done.

Just because a particular name hasn't popped up here on CCIW Chat doesn't mean that said player hasn't committed to a CCIW school. Nobody's ever said that this room is comprehensive when it comes to listing all recruits.

Seriously, if I remember correctly, last summer Coach Baines announced the majority of his recruits  later rather than sooner. Although, it IS getting pretty late for recruit announcements, other than for transfers. I guess it's possible, but I would be VERY surprised if EC didn't have any further announcements. 

I'll bet all the corn in Manito that Elmhurst will have more than two newbies this coming year.

As far as this being pretty late for recruit announcements, it's not late at all for North Park. Expect several more NPU names to show up here.

Associate members abound in the NCAA D1 level, but I have no idea re: D3.  Is Wash U joining only for football and Carroll is all in?

* Rose-Hulman has been an associate member of the CCIW for men's swimming and women's swimming since 2007.
* Dubuque became an associate member of the CCIW for men's lacrosse and women's lacrosse last fall.
* Carroll became an associate member of the CCIW for men's lacrosse and women's lacrosse last fall; the Pioneers will become a full member of the CCIW in the fall of 2016, thus shifting all of the rest of the school's sports into our league.
* Washington (MO) will become an associate member of the CCIW for football in the fall of 2018.

What are the required sports a member of the CCIW must have?  Obviously not wrestling, tennis or swimming.

Historically, the CCIW has required that members must field teams in football, men's basketball, and baseball. However, that requirement is not listed in the current CCIW bylaws, and the league's constitution has been removed from the CCIW website.

[AndOne]

Seriously, if I remember correctly, last summer Coach Baines announced the majority of his recruits  later rather than sooner. Although, it IS getting pretty late for recruit announcements, other than for transfers. I guess it's possible, but I would be VERY surprised if EC didn't have any further announcements. 

I'll bet all the corn in Manito that Elmhurst will have more than two newbies this coming year.

Just a wild guess, but I think this is Sagerese for you agree with me. 

[AndOne]

Seriously, if I remember correctly, last summer Coach Baines announced the majority of his recruits  later rather than sooner. Although, it IS getting pretty late for recruit announcements, other than for transfers. I guess it's possible, but I would be VERY surprised if EC didn't have any further announcements. 

As far as this being pretty late for recruit announcements, it's not late at all for North Park. Expect several more NPU names to show up here.

Due to the relative lateness of the hour, I'm assuming most of these "several more" names will be transfers as opposed to pure freshmen. 

[Gregory Sager]

Not necessarily.

[iwu70]

Tony Bankston, currently IWU's Dean of Admission, will soon become Asst AD and Director of Operations at The Shirk. 

Hope all CCIW Chatsters are having a good summer, enjoying summer's charms. 

Happy 4th to all.

IWU70

[veterancciwfan]

Regarding Carroll's readmission to the CCIW: With many schools looking to control spending, adding Carroll in 2016/17 will result in lowering the substantial amount the former 8 member schools will have to pay to fund the CCIW Commissioner's office (which has two full time employees). The total cost will then be divided by 9. Many college presidents and their boards of trustees spend a lot of time looking at ways to reduce spending during the time when college age demographics are not favorable. I wouldn't be surprised if the CCIW added a 10th member by 2020.

[WUPHF]

I swear this is my last time to bring this up.  And, I am only doing it because it is the off season and because I made a claim in which I could not support at the time because I did not have the time to go through all the NCES data.

My claim was that Milliken was the least expensive CCIW school after the discount rate is factored in.  I do not not have the data for discount rate overall, but I do have the freshmen numbers.  And, if you believe that the freshmen numbers tell enough of the story (which I do), then North Park barely edges out Milliken. 

Here are the average net costs for freshmen when comparing federal, state and institutional money with the full cost of attendance including tuition, room, board, books and other estimated expenses:

IWU $27,996

Family income / net price over the last three years
$0 – $30,000      $19,322   $19,342   $16,296
$30,001 – $48,000   $21,197   $17,989   $20,172
$48,001 – $75,000   $22,371   $24,025   $21,055
$75,001 – $110,000   $26,764   $28,090   $26,167
$110,001 and more   $31,843   $32,008   $31,184


North Central $23,416

$0 – $30,000      $15,003   $16,656   $16,704
$30,001 – $48,000   $14,863   $16,328   $18,180
$48,001 – $75,000   $18,224   $19,650   $19,841
$75,001 – $110,000   $21,191   $22,373   $23,368
$110,001 and more   $24,267   $26,107   $26,529

Carthage College $27,385

$0 – $30,000      $21,145   $27,740   $22,798
$30,001 – $48,000   $22,418   $29,853   $24,699
$48,001 – $75,000   $25,618   $31,912   $26,685
$75,001 – $110,000   $26,574   $32,482   $28,444
$110,001 and more   $27,757   $35,906   $35,049

Augustana College $24,651

$0 – $30,000      $16,019   $16,501   $17,645
$30,001 – $48,000   $17,659   $17,231   $18,265
$48,001 – $75,000   $20,532   $20,005   $21,351
$75,001 – $110,000   $23,953   $24,912   $25,468
$110,001 and more   $26,537   $27,311   $28,191

Milliken $19,208

$0 – $30,000      $13,245   $15,405   $13,467
$30,001 – $48,000   $14,090   $15,899   $15,741
$48,001 – $75,000   $17,481   $19,317   $18,713
$75,001 – $110,000   $20,474   $21,812   $20,308
$110,001 and more   $22,869   $23,942   $23,878

Wheaton College $25,258

$0 – $30,000      $11,040   $15,720   $13,983
$30,001 – $48,000   $14,885   $14,371   $14,408
$48,001 – $75,000   $16,038   $18,548   $17,557
$75,001 – $110,000   $21,579   $23,432   $23,644
$110,001 and more   $32,344   $33,001   $32,144

Elmhurst $21,826

$0 – $30,000      $13,975   $14,865   $12,817
$30,001 – $48,000   $16,533   $16,321   $17,319
$48,001 – $75,000   $18,288   $19,084   $18,615
$75,001 – $110,000   $20,082   $22,341   $22,746
$110,001 and more   $22,971   $23,169   $24,654

North Park $19,152

$0 – $30,000      $16,425   $14,456   $15,777
$30,001 – $48,000   $17,194   $15,428   $14,767
$48,001 – $75,000   $18,276   $16,422   $16,762
$75,001 – $110,000   $21,635   $19,592   $18,695
$110,001 and more   $24,421   $23,462   $23,226

[markerickson]

WUH:  Yes, tuition discounting is the norm at private, postsecondary institutions, according to NACUBO, and I believe schools frequently use this in lieu of athletic schollys.

[Pat Coleman]

I believe schools frequently use this in lieu of athletic schollys.

If they do, they have to offer it to everyone at a similar rate or they are in violation of D-III rules.

[robertgoulet]

I believe schools frequently use this in lieu of athletic schollys.

If they do, they have to offer it to everyone at a similar rate or they are in violation of D-III rules.

Maybe not necessarily tuition discounting, but I know first hand that schools can and do "find money" for athletes that they want to get enrolled but who may not be able to afford to go there even with loans.

[WUPHF]

Yes, tuition discounting is the norm at private, postsecondary institutions, according to NACUBO, and I believe schools frequently use this in lieu of athletic schollys.

I used to work in financial aid, so I very familiar with tuition discounting and have seen the ways NAIA and Division I schools get creative with financial aid awards, but I have never worked in financial aid at a Division III school before. 

I have to believe that Division III schools do award institutional aid here and there to recruit athletes, but I am not sure how that could be done frequently as there is an annual financial aid reporting process: http://www.ncaa.org/division-iii-financial-aid-reporting-program

If an institution finds a lot of money for athletes, they will find themselves facing an NCAA review.

I only posted the data because I was certain that an argument could be made that Milliken was the least expensive CCIW school on average.  I would say that I was wrong, based on the freshmen data, but just barely.

NACUBO has nicely parsed data that would give us an answer for sure, but I am not a member.

[Pat Coleman]

I have to believe that Division III schools do award institutional aid here and there to recruit athletes, but I am not sure how that could be done frequently as there is an annual financial aid reporting process: http://www.ncaa.org/division-iii-financial-aid-reporting-program

If an institution finds a lot of money for athletes, they will find themselves facing an NCAA review.

Bingo.

[Mr. Ypsi]

As I listen to the nonstop fireworks this evening (my dog is NOT happy), it occurred to me that if you ever want to murder a neighbor, tonight is the night!  All potential witnesses will just assume it was more fireworks.  Barring some random eyewitness or (your fault) forensic evidence, you are home free.

Confound it, I can't think of any neighbor I hate that much!

My dog would disagree, but Happy Fourth of July to all anyway.