MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[mactitan]

As for the DePauw shot - I actually saw it this morning on ESPN2's Mike and Mike in the Morning.  The only bad thing about the clip was that the seats in view looked pretty empty, but it looked as if the seats on the side of the camera (which were mostly out of view) were full.Those guys talked about how great it was to see such passion and I think the skinny Mike said something like "That is what its all about." I couldn't agree more. 

[LU 05]

markerickson,
                      Carroll has become very adept at landing impact transfer players.  They feature three transfers in their starting lineup in Shceper( UW-Platteville), Toshner (Lakeland), and James Johnson (some low level d1).  Carroll's coach seems to have made landing transfers an important part of his recruiting plan every year.  Since he started at Carroll he has also landed Julian Shwartz (Wisconsin & UW-GB) and Monfre (UW-GB).  I for one do not mind the occassional transfer player, but I think to have as many as they have had goes against the values of the midwest conference and division 3 in general. 

[Dennis_Prikkel]

When was the last time IWU lost to Carroll?  I'd wager IWU beat the Pioneers 80% of the time, probably even more, when they were in the CCIW. 

Mark - I believe Carroll only had two wins at IWU in the years the Pioneers were in the CCIW (that included a 29-year losing streak).

I think IWU (a little louder) probably won about 75% of the time in beautiful downtown Waukesha as well.

That being said, though, I think the trip to Carroll made all the CCIW conference champions stronger when it came time to play in the NCAA tournament.

The reason was the different style of officiating of Wisconsin officials, versus Illinois officials (who more often than not got their passports stamped and traveled over the boarder to Kenosha, but NOT Waukesha).

I probably saw a 100 games in Van Male gym over the years (and I think Pauncho Palezze officiated half of them).  For players, learning to adjust to a different style of officiating is very important.  Wisconsin officials were more likely NOT to allow all the pushing and shoving that was the norm around Chicago.  Teams had to adjust and play a much more controlled defensive game.  The other big difference was traveling calls - which seemed to abound in Waukesha.

I think if you ask the old-time CCIW coaches from downstate, Augie, IW & MU, that Friday-Saturday trip to Wisconsin was never welcome, but it made their good teams that much better.

MW

[albcard]

For what is worth.... the top 25 is out with NCC ranked the highest in CCIW at 10th followed by IWU at 11th and then Augie.

On the NCC - STT match up....
St. Thomas looks like a good team with a solid basketball program. It will be a good match and any team can come out with the W. NCC has some good momentum going into this game though. They have won 7 out of their last 8 games by beating some quality teams. I don't necessarily think that it will be a huge disadvantage to NC to play away. I feel like this year they have been better on the road than at home. They beat IWU and Elmhurst (twice) and lost to both teams at home.

Game preview:
http://www.noctrl.edu/x7253.xml

[dahammer]

LU 05, do your research a little better. All of the players you mentioned as far as transfers either played for Coach Schultz previously or played in the same conference that he coached in during his days as a high school coach.  Swartz and Monfre at Waukesha South (plus knew the coach for 10 years), Scheper Mukwonago HS and Toshner Arrowhead HS.  Johnson played for him during his AAU days with George Karl's Friends of Hoop team.  None were recruited in fact if you asked the players they would say they came to him and asked if there would be interest. Besides, when Coach Schultz got to Carroll in 03 they were coming off an 2-21 season were going to have trouble fielding a team with enough players.  So obviously you need bodies to compete, it was not like he was walking into gold mine ready to jump onto the national scene let alone become an MWC power.  My guess would be that as you build a program you can build from within.  But if people want to come to your I would think that would be a good sign.  But LU 05 don't let any facts get in the way of discrediting your opponents.  Maybe others should try to dig up some the illegal things that have gone on at LU in recent years? Careful where you throw stones.

[augiedad]

Per iwu.edu, the Titans are 58-16 (.784) all-time vs Carroll.  The last game played was a conference game in 1992, won by IWU 102-81 at Fred Young. 

[augiedad]

I'm hearing rumblings that Dain Swetella broke a finger late in the IWU game - a game in which he had 23 pts and 15 rebounds.  I don't have many details but it sounds like something that is going to limit what he can do pretty substantially.  That's a big blow to Augie if true.

[augiedad]

Massey Index:

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=III&mid=6

Per Massey, 8 of the top 15 teams in the nation are in the Midwest/West bracket.

#1 Lawrence
#4 Carroll
#6 UW-Whitewater
#9 Illinois Wesleyan
#10 UW-Stout
#13 North Central
#14 Puget Sound
#15 Augustana

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I'm hearing rumblings that Dain Swetella broke a finger late in the IWU game - a game in which he had 23 pts and 15 rebounds.  I don't have many details but it sounds like something that is going to limit what he can do pretty substantially.  That's a big blow to Augie if true.

Gosh, they need to tell us these thing.  How are we supposed to fill out brackets without all the pertinent information?

[Dennis_Prikkel]

2005-06 College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

Men's Basketball All-Conference Team



First Team
Player
School
Pos.
Ht.
Yr.
Hometown (High School)

*Rick Harrigan
Augustana
G
6-3
Sr.
Chicago, Ill. (Brother Rice)

*Chris Martin
Elmhurst
F
6-6
Sr.
Eureka, Ill. (H.S.)

*Anthony Simmons
North Central
F
6-6
Jr.
Bolingbrook, Ill. (Romeoville)

Keelan Amelianovich
Illinois Wesleyan
F
6-6
Sr.
Naperville, Ill. (Neuqua Valley)

Adam Dauksas
Illinois Wesleyan
G
6-3
Sr.
Flossmoor, Ill. (Homewood Flossmoor)



Second Team
Player
School
Pos.
Ht.
Yr.
Hometown (High School)

Jay McAdams-Thornton
Augustana
F
6-3
Sr.
Moline, Ill. (H.S.)

Daniel Walton
North Central
F
6-5
Jr.
Carol Stream, Ill. (Glenbard North)

Kyle Jeffery
Carthage
G/F
6-6
So.
Kenosha, Wis. (Tremper/Mercyhurst College)

Zach Freeman
Illinois Wesleyan
C
6-7
Jr.
Bloomington, Ill. (Normal Community)

Tony Bollier
Wheaton
G
6-0
Sr.
Leo, Ind. (H.S.)


                                 

Third Team
Player
School
Pos.
Ht.
Yr.
Hometown (High School)

Nick Michael
Elmhurst
C
6-10
Jr.
West Chicago, Ill. (H.S.)

Drew Gensler
Millikin
G
6-0
Fr.
Mount Zion, Ill. (H.S.)

Adam Teising
North Central
G
5-10
Sr.
Naperville, Ill. (Central)

Jordan Kemper
Wheaton
G/F
6-3
Sr.
Rockford, Ill. (Rockford Christian)

Drew Wessels
Augustana
G
6-1
Jr.
Bettendorf, Iowa (H.S.)




* - Denotes unanimous decision



Fred Young "Most Outstanding Player"
Rick Harrigan- Augustana



CCIW Coach of the Year
Grey Giovanine- Augustana

[gdog83]

Q,

I agree with you 100% on the Simmons for MOP award.  A player deemed MOP should have a strong start to a season, carry their team in the dark days of JAN and FEB when many bodies hit the physical wall and most importantly.....finish the deal at the end.  Augie 22,  you are absolutely correct that Augie would not be a .500 team without Harrigan,  but neither would NCC without Simmons, IWU without Dauksas or Keelan as would Elmhurst without Martin.

Harrigan comes in a close second because he couldnt be at 100% physically down the stretch which cost the Vikings some mo.

[devossed]

How many years have those in consideration made the all-conf team (Simmons, Harrigan, Dauksas, Keelan, Martin)?

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Wait, I'm confused, if Dennis really posted the actual results, why are people still speculating?


Also, interesting to note the only first-teamers not unanimous were the IWU guys.

[larry_u]

LU 05, do your research a little better. All of the players you mentioned as far as transfers either played for Coach Schultz previously or played in the same conference that he coached in during his days as a high school coach.  Swartz and Monfre at Waukesha South (plus knew the coach for 10 years), Scheper Mukwonago HS and Toshner Arrowhead HS.  Johnson played for him during his AAU days with George Karl's Friends of Hoop team.  None were recruited in fact if you asked the players they would say they came to him and asked if there would be interest. Besides, when Coach Schultz got to Carroll in 03 they were coming off an 2-21 season were going to have trouble fielding a team with enough players.  So obviously you need bodies to compete, it was not like he was walking into gold mine ready to jump onto the national scene let alone become an MWC power.  My guess would be that as you build a program you can build from within.  But if people want to come to your I would think that would be a good sign.  But LU 05 don't let any facts get in the way of discrediting your opponents.  Maybe others should try to dig up some the illegal things that have gone on at LU in recent years? Careful where you throw stones.

Hammer...
He wasn't saying it was illegal.  He was just saying that it goes against the MWC spirit, being an academic conference and all...more homegrown talent rather then bringing in the WIAC's rejects, etc.  Carroll has done very well with thier transfers, nothing illegal at all...it just is a difference from Lawrence and Grinnell and others way of having talent for all four years like Braier and before him Wood and Nordlund at Grinnell.  Of course LU has its own transfer in Kevin Bradley doing well, but he has the grades to pull off the rigorous courseload, so of course we would let him in.

[augiedad]

Congrats to the all CCIW team and to Rick Harrigan!

Hoops Fan, I don't think gdog83 was "speculating."  Just discussing.  Are you suggesting posters should have no opinions on the awards once they come out?