MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Mr. Ypsi]

IWU guard Brady Rose is officially out for the season.  Having played just 6 games, he is eligible for a medical redshirt.

Medical redshirts in D3 (at least private schools) are financially iffy, especially for 2-semester sports like bball.  Does anyone know if he gets a break in tuition as the HC's son?  (If he wants to redshirt, he can at least greatly lighten his class schedule - I don't think IWU has grad programs that would interest him [though admittedly, my knowledge of IWU grad programs is woefully out of date].)

No IWU grad programs now

Not even nursing?  I thought they were expanding grad programs, not cutting them.

[iwu70]

Ypsi, you are beyond woeful.  No grad programs for many many years.

Let's hope IWU straps them on well in Kenosha, as I'm sure it will be a tough, competitive game, one surely that IWU needs to win to keep pace and have any chance of the #4 spot in the CCIW race for the conference tournament.

IWU'70

[Mr. Ypsi]

Ypsi, you are beyond woeful.  No grad programs for many many years.

Let's hope IWU straps them on well in Kenosha, as I'm sure it will be a tough, competitive game, one surely that IWU needs to win to keep pace and have any chance of the #4 spot in the CCIW race for the conference tournament.

IWU'70

I guess I haven't been reading the alumni mag carefully enough.  I coulda sworn they had a master's in nursing, and were planning to add master's in business.

I guess when they add a program it is a cover story; when they drop something it is buried on page 23.

[WUPHF]

And no MFA or MEd either?  Wow!

[iwumichigander]

And no MFA or MEd either?  Wow!

None, nada, zip ... But I suspect you did what Ypsi should have done  gone to the IWU website or Google to check it out... Heck, the info might even be on D3hoops.com (insert plug here)

[Mr. Ypsi]

So when do we join Iowa Wesleyan College as an IWC?  Maybe I missed the memo, but to me a university has at least some graduate programs.  I know that IWU had a nursing master's for at least a while.  When and why did it end?  I'm more out of the loop than I realized.  I'll try to get more up to speed, but I may or may not continue to contribute to what I thought I had graduated from.

[WUPHF]

So when do we join Iowa Wesleyan College as an IWC?  Maybe I missed the memo, but to me a university has at least some graduate programs.

I completely agree with this.

Incidentally, Iowa Wesleyan has expanded their graduate programs and is becoming IWU very soon if not already.  Hopefully, the other IWU stays in the NAIA.

[hopefan]

So when do we join Iowa Wesleyan College as an IWC?  Maybe I missed the memo, but to me a university has at least some graduate programs.

I completely agree with this.

Incidentally, Iowa Wesleyan has expanded their graduate programs and is becoming IWU very soon if not already.  Hopefully, the other IWU stays in the NAIA.

WUH???  Iowa Wesleyan, NAIA???   HELP ME!!!!!

[WUPHF]

Indiana Wesleyan is a member of the NAIA.

[Titan Q]

Illinois Wesleyan (10-9, 4-4) at Carthage (8-11, 2-6), 7:00pm

Illinois Wesleyan (10-9, 4-4)
G - Joel Pennington, 6-0/180 Sr.  (9.5 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 2.9 rpg)
G - Bryce Dolan, 6-1/165 Sr.  (14.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 3.3 apg)
G - Andy Stempel, 6-4/192 Jr.  (9.6 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 2.4 apg)
F - Ryan Coyle, 6-6/210 Sr.  (8.7 ppg, 5.9 rpg)
F - Trevor Seibring, 6-8/235 Jr.  (15.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg)

Carthage (8-11, 2-6)
G - Jordan Kedrowski, 6-3/185 Fr.  (13.9 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 2.8 apg) 
G - Tony Pierce Jr., 6-1/185 Sr. (12.9 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 0.6 apg)
G - Myles Olsen, 6-1/190 Sr.  (6.4 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.3 apg)
F - Brad Kruse, 6-4/195 So.  (7.7 ppg, 6.1 rpg) 
F - Kiston Lee, 6-4/200 Sr.  (4.4 ppg, 3.6 rpg)


Pantagraph - http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/basketball/men/iwu-s-brady-rose-out-remainder-of-season/article_25136e17-1ca2-52ab-9541-d3428e1fd35b.html

Live Video - https://www.carthage.edu/multimedia/

Live Stats - http://www.sidearmstats.com/carthage/mbball/

WJBC Radio - http://portal.stretchinternet.com/wjbc/

[Titan Q]

IWU's 6-8 senior F/C Mike Marietti, who suffered an avulsion fracture in his knee on December 14, is going to give it a go tonight.  Maybe 7-8 minutes behind 6-8 F/C Trevor Seibring.  Marietti has only played in 3 games this year due to two separate injuries.

[Gregory Sager]

Ypsi, you are beyond woeful.  No grad programs for many many years.

Heck, even I knew that. This seems like the sort of basic fact about his alma mater that you'd think our Ypsilanti-based correspondent would know full well.

I'm disappointed, though, that you guys told him the truth. I was planning to tell him that Augustana grad Luke Scarlata had enrolled at IWU Medical School.

And no MFA or MEd either?  Wow!

None, nada, zip ... But I suspect you did what Ypsi should have done  gone to the IWU website or Google to check it out... Heck, the info might even be on D3hoops.com (insert plug here)

Chuck? Look up something for himself? How long have you been reading this room, iwumich?

So when do we join Iowa Wesleyan College as an IWC?  Maybe I missed the memo, but to me a university has at least some graduate programs.

That's the common perception. One of our resident academic administration experts such as WUH or Joe Hakes might want to chime in on this point, but my understanding is that there's two criteria that usually determine if a school is a university rather than a college. One is the criterion already cited, which is graduate programs. The other has to do with academic structure; i.e., a school can be considered a university if it follows the European university model by containing multiple autonomous undergraduate colleges that have distinct student bodies, faculties, and adminstrations, in the way that Oxford University in England, for example, contains 16 autonomous colleges such as Keble College, Balliol College, Green Templeton College, etc. Of course, schools that meet the latter criterion typically meet the former as well.

But, of course, sheer cussed American individualism (and, in some cases, sheer cussed American marketing strategy ) is the real determining factor, because in this country an institution of higher learning is allowed to call itself whatever the heck it wants to call itself. Therefore, there's no hard-and-fast rules that determine the difference between an American college and an American university. Hence, Boston College is actually a university in terms of its makeup, while (as Chuck alludes) perhaps Illinois Wesleyan University is actually a college. (I don't know enough about IWU's organizational nuts and bolts to know if it has multiple autonomous undergraduate colleges that have distinct student bodies, faculties, and administrations.) And schools such as Carthage, Elmhurst, North Central, and Wheaton that have graduate programs could actually dub themselves with the term "university" without blushing.

I suspect that the organizational chaos endemic to American academia makes efforts to classify schools an endeavor similar to herding cats.

So when do we join Iowa Wesleyan College as an IWC?  Maybe I missed the memo, but to me a university has at least some graduate programs.

I completely agree with this.

Incidentally, Iowa Wesleyan has expanded their graduate programs and is becoming IWU very soon if not already.  Hopefully, the other IWU stays in the NAIA.

WUH???  Iowa Wesleyan, NAIA???   HELP ME!!!!!

As WUH indicated, "the other IWU" is Indiana Wesleyan University. Incidentally, Indiana Wesleyan University -- which is frequently referred to as "Eye-woo", an acronym I've occasionally (but rarely) heard attached to Illinois Wesleyan -- is a hoops power, having won two NAIA D2 women's basketball national titles and the 2014 NAIA D2 men's basketball national title. It's also the largest private school in Indiana, with student bodies that are bigger by a considerable margin than Notre Dame, Butler, Evansville, or Valpo on both the undergraduate and graduate levels. And, while most American institutions of higher learning that contain the word "Wesleyan" are affiliates of the United Methodist Church (as is the CCIW's "Wesleyan"), Indiana Wesleyan is affiliated with a very different (and much more conservative) denomination, The Wesleyan Church.

[mr_b]

So when do we join Iowa Wesleyan College as an IWC?  Maybe I missed the memo, but to me a university has at least some graduate programs.

That's the common perception. One of our resident academic administration experts such as WUH or Joe Hakes might want to chime in on this point, but my understanding is that there's two criteria that usually determine if a school is a university rather than a college. One is the criterion already cited, which is graduate programs. The other has to do with academic structure; i.e., a school can be considered a university if it follows the European university model by containing multiple autonomous undergraduate colleges that have distinct student bodies, faculties, and adminstrations, in the way that Oxford University in England, for example, contains 16 autonomous colleges such as Keble College, Balliol College, Green Templeton College, etc. Of course, schools that meet the latter criterion typically meet the former as well.

But, of course, sheer cussed American individualism (and, in some cases, sheer cussed American marketing strategy ) is the real determining factor, because in this country an institution of higher learning is allowed to call itself whatever the heck it wants to call itself. Therefore, there's no hard-and-fast rules that determine the difference between an American college and an American university. Hence, Boston College is actually a university in terms of its makeup, while (as Chuck alludes) perhaps Illinois Wesleyan University is actually a college. (I don't know enough about IWU's organizational nuts and bolts to know if it has multiple autonomous undergraduate colleges that have distinct student bodies, faculties, and administrations.) And schools such as Carthage, Elmhurst, North Central, and Wheaton that have graduate programs could actually dub themselves with the term "university" without blushing.

The Carnegie Classification provides an objective way of determining whether an institution of higher learning can consider itself a "college" or a "university," based on the percentage and number of graduate degrees awarded each year:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnegie_Classification_of_Institutions_of_Higher_Education

But, as Greg has already pointed out, an institution can use whichever name it wants. Some opt for the larger, more comprehensive name of "university," while others use "college,' perhaps to stress the benefits of smaller size, more academic rigor, closer alignment with the liberal arts, and so on.

[AndOne]

So when do we join Iowa Wesleyan College as an IWC?  Maybe I missed the memo, but to me a university has at least some graduate programs.

I completely agree with this.

Incidentally, Iowa Wesleyan has expanded their graduate programs and is becoming IWU very soon if not already. Hopefully, the other IWU stays in the NAIA.

Iowa Wesleyan College officially adopted it's new name, Iowa Wesleyan University on August 10, 2015.

[markerickson]

Don't private schools typically give the offspring of full-time employees (administrators, professors, and perhaps coaches) free tuition?  I know an ASL interpreter who got free tuition for her four sons at Northeastern (MA).  She and her hubby didn't give their sons a choice..."you're going to Northeastern and then you can pick a different school for graduate work."