MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[bbfan44]

CCIW > I think you're being a bit harsh and a bit argumentative.  IWU has a good team that has struggled because of injuries.  I'm thinking that without those injuries they'd be right there in the hunt for 3rd or 4th place in the Conference.
With the success of the team over the past several years, and the tone of the voluminous posting by 3 or 4 IWU supporters on this board, the expectation level each year can easily set up for a disappointment when things don't pan out.
They are one Conference 1st or 2nd team player away from being their normal caliber team.  But look at some of the other teams and take off one of their 1st or 2nd team Conference players and perhaps they'd be only hoping to finish in the top 4 as well.  Where is NCC without Sorenson?  Where is NPU without Robinson?  Where is Elmhurst without Wuest? And in D3 competition it isn't always as simple as saying ok "next man up" and someones shoes are filled.
Rose is a good recruiter and the team will be back.  I don't think Duke is going to get rid of Coach K because of this year.
Don't discount the contribution of the many comments by the guys on this forum who have hundreds and thousands of posts.  They've been around and have seen many ups and downs in programs.  So, their strong opinions have some wisdom based on experience and history and not just being a current fan of a team.  Enjoy the games.

[bbfan44]

An additional thought:  those guys who have been around and post a lot are not always right as you say, but their opinions shouldn't be dismissed just because they "think" they're always right.

[GoPerry]

Really glad it's a game day . . .

[CCIW >]

First, I would like to say thank you to bbfan44 for responding appropriately. Rather then bullying, fighting, belittling me, he chose to respond with respect. I think that is under rated on this message board.

I was not trying to be argumentative, just wanted to show that IIIWWUUU isnt a clown like everyone is making him out to be. Ron Rose has not produced a notable recruit since Overstreet, which was many years ago. That is worth talking about and worth questioning and i am glad IIIWWWUUU brought it up... We talk about the coach of the year a lot in here, shouldn't we talk about the coaches who are lacking? Everyone seems to rip Bosko on occasion...

Also, Dolan and Marietti are solid players, but not the kind of guys that move you up in the CCIW rankings. I would not be okay with comparing Sorenson to Marietti or Dolan to Wuest... Wuest and Sorenson are elite in this conference, and that is not just an opinion. IWU had injuries to their teams best players, but that does not mean their best players are comparable to other teams best players...

Lastly, I total agree that IWU is 1 or 2 players away from being a great team, contending for CCIW and National accolades, but looking at recent recruiting, will they ever get those 1 or 2 guys... The trend right now, since Overstreet, is no. And IWU needs to find a way to change that. Rose dosent have many experienced guys to lead the team like he has had with those Final 4 teams.. It is rebuilding time, and he is 0-2 on recruiting classes when he desperately needed them. I think we can all agree on that?

[iwumichigander]

First, I would like to say thank you to bbfan44 for responding appropriately. Rather then bullying, fighting, belittling me, he chose to respond with respect. I think that is under rated on this message board.

I was not trying to be argumentative, just wanted to show that IIIWWUUU isnt a clown like everyone is making him out to be. Ron Rose has not produced a notable recruit since Overstreet, which was many years ago. That is worth talking about and worth questioning and i am glad IIIWWWUUU brought it up... We talk about the coach of the year a lot in here, shouldn't we talk about the coaches who are lacking? Everyone seems to rip Bosko on occasion...

Also, Dolan and Marietti are solid players, but not the kind of guys that move you up in the CCIW rankings. I would not be okay with comparing Sorenson to Marietti or Dolan to Wuest... Wuest and Sorenson are elite in this conference, and that is not just an opinion. IWU had injuries to their teams best players, but that does not mean their best players are comparable to other teams best players...

Lastly, I total agree that IWU is 1 or 2 players away from being a great team, contending for CCIW and National accolades, but looking at recent recruiting, will they ever get those 1 or 2 guys... The trend right now, since Overstreet, is no. And IWU needs to find a way to change that. Rose dosent have many experienced guys to lead the team like he has had with those Final 4 teams.. It is rebuilding time, and he is 0-2 on recruiting classes when he desperately needed them. I think we can all agree on that?

No, we can't agree on that nor other points.
You agree IWU is one to two players away from being a great team.  Hum, could they be named Marietti and Rose who helped last two seasons teams go a long way?  Could they be two freshman or a sophomore being developed like Beasley, Falotico or Bonnett?  Or, they could be a couple of incoming freshmen recruits.  You just do not get an All-American every class.

You are making comparisons which no other poster, that I can find so far, has made. 
For example, what poster(s) compared Marietti to Sorenson; Dolan to Wuest; or, compared Rose , as you phrased it, to "top talent in the CCIW"?  Marietti and Rose have been out most of this season with injuries. 

You do not think Seibring is an outstanding talent?  Ask 7 CCIW coaches whether they would rather game plan for him;or, have him on their team?

[voxelmhurst]

Early final from Faganel.

Elmhurst 70
Wheaton 62

Elmhurst needed a strong second half to erase an 8 point halftime deficit. After going up 16-8, the Bluejays played downright awful the rest of the first half. Turnovers galore, mostly on traveling violations and bad passes. Wheaton had confidence and executed pretty well in the first half. Elmhurst came out pretty strong to start the second and regained the lead early in the half. Had Wheaton not gotten stuck on 41 points for almost 7 minutes in the second half (Wheaton had to miss 5/6 threes during this stretch), they might have pulled this one out. It was just a 4 point lead for Elmhurst with a little over 3 minutes to go, but the Jays were able to get some key baskets down the stretch and get the W. Credit Wuest, Ackerman, and Crittenden for willing the team to this victory. Aside from 2 big threes from Schwebke in the second half, the normally potent bench was largely ineffectual tonight on offense.

[Augie6]

I was not trying to be argumentative, just wanted to show that IIIWWUUU isnt a clown like everyone is making him out to be. Ron Rose has not produced a notable recruit since Overstreet, which was many years ago. That is worth talking about and worth questioning and i am glad IIIWWWUUU brought it up... We talk about the coach of the year a lot in here, shouldn't we talk about the coaches who are lacking? Everyone seems to rip Bosko on occasion...

I think it's been established that IIWWUU may be sincere in his opinions, but it seems he may be a disgruntled parent of an IWU player who is riding the bench.  Because of this, he has an axe to grind against Coach Rose. 

[iwu70]

IWU down 15 at the half @NC.  40-25.  Never get to 78 that way. 

IWU'70

[Gotberg]

Matt Nadelhoffer for president!

Impeachment proceedings begin tomorrow. 

[kiko]

Today / Tonight:

Elmhurst 70, Wheaton 62 at Faganel, as already mentioned
Augustana 69, Carthage 47 at Carver
North Central 89, Illinois Wesleyan 69 at the Hangar
Millikin 61, North Park 55 in an upset at the Crackerbox

[kiko]

With tonight's results, Augie, Elmhurst and North Central have all clinched CCIW tournament berths.

North Park leads IWU by a game for the fourth spot, but both have challenging finishing schedules:

North Park: versus Elmhurst, at Illinois Wesleyan, versus North Central
Illinois Wesleyan: at Augustana, versus North Park, versus Elmhurst

The other thing to watch for in my mind is the result of what will likely be two North Central-Elmhurst matchups in the next two weeks.  These will impact where both teams end up in the regional rankings, including potentially the ordinal ranking should the Cardinals win both.

[markerickson]

Millikin deserved to win tonite in Chicago.  What was TJ Sims' shooting percentage?  How many free throws did Henry miss in the second half?  How many blocked shots did MU have?  As I've told my kids over the years, if you live by the trey, you die by the trey.  Tonite NPU shot poorly.  And it seemed that every loose ball bounced into a Big Blue hand. 

[bbfan44]

What if North Park loses its last three games, and IWU wins one?  Of course the win would be against NPU and would give both teams a record of 6-8 for the Conference. Not saying it would happen, but it could happen. It would be a tall order to be sure.  But NPU seems vulnerable even at home. And, IWU is still having struggles. 
Have some fun and try to figure out the tie breaker for 4th place.  I think it goes really, really, deep into the listed procedure.

[kiko]

What if North Park loses its last three games, and IWU wins one?  Of course the win would be against NPU and would give both teams a record of 6-8 for the Conference. Not saying it would happen, but it could happen. It would be a tall order to be sure.  But NPU seems vulnerable even at home. And, IWU is still having struggles. 
Have some fun and try to figure out the tie breaker for 4th place.  I think it goes really, really, deep into the listed procedure.

I believe at that point, the tiebreaker goes to whichever team has the greater number of guards on its roster.

[iwu70]

kiko, LOL

IWU playing poorly, struggling for sure.  Surprised NPU lost to MC, but then again so did IWU. Perhaps no one wants to have the dubious honor of playing Augie at home in the CCIW tourney semis.  They may get a bye in the national tourney, so why not in the CCIW tourney as well? 

IWU'70