MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[lmitzel]

Last night at North Park I sat next to a non-CCIW referee who said he attends CCIW games along with a retired CCIW ref.  They attended two NPU games earlier this year when former NPC championship players were in attendance in the same seating section as I.  During last night's game, I lamented to the ref the lack of moving screen calls.  He replied, "Watch [Raridon], he's a dirty player, and I will tell you when."  The comment was not meant as a compliment.  Sure enough, with all three refs and the ball well ahead of Raridon and Robinson, the former underhooked the latter to impede progress and Robinson spun around to disengage.  When I expressed dissatisfaction, the ref turned to me and said, "Told you so."  Then the second whiniest CCIW coach started screaming and the refs inexplicably stopped play.  (I doubt they saw what happened, given their position on the court.)  The refs formed a circle and subsequently saddled Robinson with a foul, probably because the coach's son can't be guilty, right?  Watch the NCC freshman next year and you will see what I am talking about.  And I've noticed the NCC coach has a penchant for yelling at the refs while the opposing player is about to shoot a FT.  Bush league.

Markerickson--

Certainly sounds like a sore loser to me. Also like someone who spews s**,t that doesn't stick when you sling it. And, if you want to step into sports commentary, it would behoove you to first of all get your facts straight, and secondly, to tell the WHOLE story.

Let's start with the "NON CCIW referee," and the "RETIRED CCIW ref." What seems to have escaped your understanding is if one ref is retired from the CCIW, (meaning he hasn't worked games this year), and the other ref is not even a CCIW ref, then how do they know the characteristics and personality traits of a FRESHMAN whose games neither has ever worked? Do they go around watching NCC games? Highly doubtful. Sounds like The Wayward Adventures of Casper the Ghost and Pinocchio to me.

Lets now move on to your blurb about "Watch (Raridon) he's a dirty player." First, remember this is coming from a NON CCIW ref or a RETIRED CCIW ref, both of whom would be intimately familiar (NOT!) with young Mr. Raridon's on court deportment. Your argument has already begun to take on water. Add in the fact ROBINSON (not Raridon) was called for the foul. And, that the foul was assessed after a meeting of all three officials, thus meaning three refs felt the at fault party was Mr. Robinson, and not Mr. Raridon, on whom you tried to pin the blame for dirty play when, in fact, Jordan Robinson was the true culprit! Your argument is sinking fast. Now----Remember I said one of your problems is that you aren't telling the whole story. The main story line that you neglected to mention is that, almost from the opening tip, Robinson was robustly talking trash to the entire NCC team in general, and to Connor Raridon specifically. Several times during the contest, Robinson announced Raridon was a p*ss*y. And, the laugher is that late in the game Robinson went over to Coach Raridon, and said something very close to "I apologize for calling that player a p*ss*y. I didn't know it was your son." Evidently, Mr. Robinson thought it would have been acceptable to refer to any of the other players in that manner, just not the coach's son, LOL! By the way, the feeling among the staff was that the ONLY reason Robinson "apologized" was that he was afraid one of his possible votes for the all-conference team had evaporated.  Your argument/accusation has now officially hit the bottom of the deep, blue sea.

Oh, and concerning your other accusation about Coach Raridon's deportment when an opposing player is shooting a FT, he does tell his players to "block off" the shooter BEFORE the shooter presents the ball. I assume you know what that means.

If we really wanted to, we could also go on and on about Juwan Henry. Over the last couple of years, he has been whining to the officials on a fairly consistent basis. Heck, he even dropped an F-bomb on a ref at North Central this season and wasn't T'd up for it.

I'm starting to wonder if we can put Connor Raridon in the "pest" category, since he's gotten into the heads of Erik Crittenden and Jordan Robinson in consecutive weeks, but I don't think there's enough there to call him a "dirty" player.

I can't wait for NCC-Elmhurst III at Augie on Friday. 

[GoPerry]

A great look at Pool C from Matthew Snyder (aka KnightSlappy)...

http://detroitjockcity.com/division-iii-mens-basketball-regional-rankings-data/

North Central is an absolute lock for Pool C.

Things might be getting a little dicey for Elmhurst though.  The last regional rankings had the Bluejays (#5) ahead of Chicago (#6) in the Central.  Now the data is:
-Elmhurst: .800/.519/2-4
-Chicago: .696/.559/2-6

In my opinion, that is very tight.  And the order here seems really important to me - there is a very good chance one of these two get in, but not both.

This is interesting Q.  I'll be curious to see if this weeks RR also lists Chicago above Elmhurst as KnightSlappy does.  Based on those above %s, I'm not sure why the Maroons would be ranked higher.  Does that SOS(.559 vs .519) really trump WL%( .696 vs .800)?  I wouldn't think so just eyeballing it as neither has an impressive vRRO record.

It's tough to imagine only 2 of the 3(Augie, NCC, EC) getting in but I see your logic.  #s are #s.

No Pool C WIAC?  Don't recall that happening in a while.

[badgerwarhawk]

No Pool C WIAC?  Don't recall that happening in a while.

In the 2006-07 season only Stevens Point made the post season. 

[WUPHF]

Oh, and concerning your other accusation about Coach Raridon's deportment when an opposing player is shooting a FT, he does tell his players to "block off" the shooter BEFORE the shooter presents the ball. I assume you know what that means.

Yeah, I hate that.

[badgerwarhawk]

With as much noise as the student body tends to make during free throws I'd be surprised if anything a coach said to one of his players was even noticeable. 

I played in a time when you could hear a pin drop during a free throw.  How the times have changed.  I recently saw a student body who recreated the birth of a baby behind their opponent's basket during a free throw. 

[AndOne]

Was it an Immaculate Conception? 

[AndOne]

I'm starting to wonder if we can put Connor Raridon in the "pest" category, since he's gotten into the heads of Erik Crittenden and Jordan Robinson in consecutive weeks, but I don't think there's enough there to call him a "dirty" player.

I can't wait for NCC-Elmhurst III at Augie on Friday.

Imitzel-

As you know, Connor Raridon is a freshman competing in the best D3 conference in the country, and going up against some of the best players in the country on a regular basis. No matter what skill level a freshman comes in with, he is bound to undergo some form and period of "initiation" when moving up from the HS to the college level of competition. Consider that any good coach will use all the weapons at his disposal to limit his opponent's effectiveness, and thus increase his chances for victory. One of these weapons is to have his older, more experienced, and often bigger players "lean on" opponents. Particularly those younger and less experienced players who are new to the next level of competition, and who are struggling to establish themselves at that new, higher level.
I submit that is likely part of the game plans that several opposition coaches have formulated to combat Connor's effectiveness. At the beginning of the season, I was asked many times what the primary differences are between Connor and his brother Derek, a former NCC All-American who graduated 3 years ago. Among the things I mentioned was the fact that Connor plays with more of an "edge" than did his brother. If you doubt that, ask his assistant coach and his head coach who share the same last name, and know him best. Naturally, having that "edge," in addition to his considerable basketball skills, Connor, who is by no means either soft, or a p*ss*y, both of which he has been accused of by opposing players, is going to defend himself and give back what he receives. If that makes him a "dirty" player, so be it. Just something else for his opponents to worry about. 

As far as the NCC/EC tilt on Sat---the Cardinals are very mindful of the fact that it is very tough to defeat a team 3 times in the same season. Particularly a highly talented team like Elmhurst. The Cards will not be underestimating their opponents, and will be expecting the best their feathered breatheran can muster.

[WUPHF]

...the Cardinals are very mindful of the fact that it is very tough to defeat a team 3 times in the same season. Particularly a highly talented team like Elmhurst. The Cards will not be underestimating their opponents, and will be expecting the best their feathered breatheran can muster.

You should let the North Central players know that it has long been established that it is no more difficult to beat a team in game 3 than it is in game 1 or game 2.

[CCIW >]

Last night at North Park I sat next to a non-CCIW referee who said he attends CCIW games along with a retired CCIW ref.  They attended two NPU games earlier this year when former NPC championship players were in attendance in the same seating section as I.  During last night's game, I lamented to the ref the lack of moving screen calls.  He replied, "Watch [Raridon], he's a dirty player, and I will tell you when."  The comment was not meant as a compliment.  Sure enough, with all three refs and the ball well ahead of Raridon and Robinson, the former underhooked the latter to impede progress and Robinson spun around to disengage.  When I expressed dissatisfaction, the ref turned to me and said, "Told you so."  Then the second whiniest CCIW coach started screaming and the refs inexplicably stopped play.  (I doubt they saw what happened, given their position on the court.)  The refs formed a circle and subsequently saddled Robinson with a foul, probably because the coach's son can't be guilty, right?  Watch the NCC freshman next year and you will see what I am talking about.  And I've noticed the NCC coach has a penchant for yelling at the refs while the opposing player is about to shoot a FT.  Bush league.

This is without a doubt the dumbest thing i have ever read in my entire life.

[CCIW >]

The all conference teams are posted... And it is extremely embarrassing to see the outcome.

Juwaun Henry should get a lawyer and start suing all the coaches. He has been robbed in two consecutive years now.

It is safe to say that the Player of the Year Award in the CCIW has ZERO to do with who the Player of the Year in the CCIW is... Sounds weird to say that, but it is a 100% fact.
Hunter Hill is not the player of the year, he is not the best player in the conference, he is not the most valuable player to his team... I dont really know what else to say

[robberki]

The all conference teams are posted... And it is extremely embarrassing to see the outcome.

Juwaun Henry should get a lawyer and start suing all the coaches. He has been robbed in two consecutive years now.

It is safe to say that the Player of the Year Award in the CCIW has ZERO to do with who the Player of the Year in the CCIW is... Sounds weird to say that, but it is a 100% fact.
Hunter Hill is not the player of the year, he is not the best player in the conference, he is not the most valuable player to his team... I dont really know what else to say

I'm going to go ahead and guess that it has to do with not making the conference tournament.

[cardinalpride]

CCIW all conference players:

http://cciw.org/news/2016/2/22/MBB_0222165716.aspx?path=mbball

[AndOne]

...the Cardinals are very mindful of the fact that it is very tough to defeat a team 3 times in the same season. Particularly a highly talented team like Elmhurst. The Cards will not be underestimating their opponents, and will be expecting the best their feathered breatheran can muster.

You should let the North Central players know that it has long been established that it is no more difficult to beat a team in game 3 than it is in game 1 or game 2.

Perhaps not statistically, but if the Cardinals take the attitude that they will "automatically" beat EC Sat. because they've already done it twice, they will be making a big mistake. Also, according to the material presented by Titan Q, EC may be playing for it's national tourney life.

[AndOne]

The all conference teams are posted... And it is extremely embarrassing to see the outcome.

Juwaun Henry should get a lawyer and start suing all the coaches. He has been robbed in two consecutive years now.

It is safe to say that the Player of the Year Award in the CCIW has ZERO to do with who the Player of the Year in the CCIW is... Sounds weird to say that, but it is a 100% fact.
Hunter Hill is not the player of the year, he is not the best player in the conference, he is not the most valuable player to his team... I dont really know what else to say

I'm going to go ahead and guess that it has to do with not making the conference tournament.

Hunter (I'm a fabulous shooter, but thats about all I can do) Hill was evidently a unanimous selection for POY. Proof that the Grey Giovanine Marketing Corporation produces a remarkable product which, although comprised largely of BS, it gets people to buy.
Also, that CCIW conference honors, in large part, continue to historically be tied to a team's finish rather than being a true reflection of some players talents and worthiness for distinction as compared to their often more talented, or at least equally talented peers. 

If the POY has to go to an Augie player, Ben Ryan is the name that should be appearing.

[tjcummingsfan]

I'm blown away that Juwan Henry wasn't even a unanimous choice for 1st team... that seems off.