MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[GoPerry]

Yes, without Seibring, the Titans could well struggle.  No doubt.  He's a good passer, rebounding and much of the offense for good perimeter shots comes through him.  Surely not the same with Burdine in the game.  I think Rose will often play Bausch and Beasley instead as they are better passers and also can shoot the three.  Key then is having enough rebounding and rim protection.  Titans will have to find a way.

Carthage does seem well set up for the second half rotation of games and they are surely playing well.  Augie too.

IWU'70

Trevor Seibring is just a very darn good player and any extended absence will do nothng but hurt the Green Team.
I think the player most capable of supplying what IWU will need in Seibring's absence is Alec Bausch.
The more that Nick Coleman plays the better off IWU will be. Coleman shoots better overall, better from distance, and better from the line than a current starter. As a bonus, he also has a much better A/TO ratio. He should be IWU's starter at the point. High scorer Brady Rose could then move to the 2G where he could concentrate more on his shooting and scoring prowess without having to worry as much about floor leadership.

I think sometimes overcoming injuries just depends on how you matchup with your next opponent.  NCC has found ways to overcome injury to Raridon.  The matchup with Augie at Augie was going to tough with Seibring.  But trying to plan a new rotation against a team with Augie depth of bigs - not  easy to pull off.  I think we may see some changes by IWU vs Carthage.  And no offense to Burdine, the 5 spot was IMO the weak spot for IWU before play started this season.

Really?  It appears to me NCC is still reeling from that injury.

[all blues]

I'm curious about something I witnessed in the Millikin-IWU game the other night.  Brady Rose had possession of the ball in his defensive end of the court, and was fouled; free throw(s) to be taken.  Instead of surrendering the ball to an official, Rose walked the length of the court, with the ball tucked under his arm, arrived at the free throw line, and proceeded to shoot a practice free throw (he made it).  Is this a) a technical foul?  b) poor sportsmanship  c) just Brady being Brady?  or d) move along, nothing to see here?

[Greek Tragedy]

My 1st instinct is that you usually don't get practice free throws in the middle of a game. 

[iwumichigander]

And no offense to Burdine, the 5 spot was IMO the weak spot for IWU before play started this season.

With Trevor Seibring returning, the 5 was the weak spot for IWU heading into 2016-17?

no, certainly it was not Trevor but the unknown of his backup and it was not like IWU had extra ordinary depth at the 5 IMHO. 

[AndOne]

Yes, without Seibring, the Titans could well struggle.  No doubt.  He's a good passer, rebounding and much of the offense for good perimeter shots comes through him.  Surely not the same with Burdine in the game.  I think Rose will often play Bausch and Beasley instead as they are better passers and also can shoot the three.  Key then is having enough rebounding and rim protection.  Titans will have to find a way.

Carthage does seem well set up for the second half rotation of games and they are surely playing well.  Augie too.

IWU'70

Trevor Seibring is just a very darn good player and any extended absence will do nothng but hurt the Green Team.
I think the player most capable of supplying what IWU will need in Seibring's absence is Alec Bausch.
The more that Nick Coleman plays the better off IWU will be. Coleman shoots better overall, better from distance, and better from the line than a current starter. As a bonus, he also has a much better A/TO ratio. He should be IWU's starter at the point. High scorer Brady Rose could then move to the 2G where he could concentrate more on his shooting and scoring prowess without having to worry as much about floor leadership.

I think sometimes overcoming injuries just depends on how you matchup with your next opponent.  NCC has found ways to overcome injury to Raridon.  The matchup with Augie at Augie was going to tough with Seibring.  But trying to plan a new rotation against a team with Augie depth of bigs - not  easy to pull off.  I think we may see some changes by IWU vs Carthage.  And no offense to Burdine, the 5 spot was IMO the weak spot for IWU before play started this season.

Really?  It appears to me NCC is still reeling from that injury.

GoPerry,

Your powers of observation are astute!
Go to the head of the class. 🏆 🙂

[badgerwarhawk]

I'm curious about something I witnessed in the Millikin-IWU game the other night.  Brady Rose had possession of the ball in his defensive end of the court, and was fouled; free throw(s) to be taken.  Instead of surrendering the ball to an official, Rose walked the length of the court, with the ball tucked under his arm, arrived at the free throw line, and proceeded to shoot a practice free throw (he made it).  Is this a) a technical foul?  b) poor sportsmanship  c) just Brady being Brady?  or d) move along, nothing to see here?

I would perceive it as a delay in play.  The first time would result in a warning for delay.  A second instance of any type of delay would result in a technical foul. 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I'm curious about something I witnessed in the Millikin-IWU game the other night.  Brady Rose had possession of the ball in his defensive end of the court, and was fouled; free throw(s) to be taken.  Instead of surrendering the ball to an official, Rose walked the length of the court, with the ball tucked under his arm, arrived at the free throw line, and proceeded to shoot a practice free throw (he made it).  Is this a) a technical foul?  b) poor sportsmanship  c) just Brady being Brady?  or d) move along, nothing to see here?

I would perceive it as a delay in play.  The first time would result in a warning for delay.  A second instance of any type of delay would result in a technical foul.

Depends on how the officials feel about it. Absolutely they could argue it is a delay in play and that would be a probably a verbal warning the first time (hey kid, don't be an idiot)... if he did it again, then the refs would either make it an official warning at the table or T him up ... I suspect it would be an official warning and then a third offense would be the T.

[Gregory Sager]

I'm curious about something I witnessed in the Millikin-IWU game the other night.  Brady Rose had possession of the ball in his defensive end of the court, and was fouled; free throw(s) to be taken.  Instead of surrendering the ball to an official, Rose walked the length of the court, with the ball tucked under his arm, arrived at the free throw line, and proceeded to shoot a practice free throw (he made it).  Is this a) a technical foul?  b) poor sportsmanship  c) just Brady being Brady?  or d) move along, nothing to see here?

I would perceive it as a delay in play.  The first time would result in a warning for delay.  A second instance of any type of delay would result in a technical foul.

Depends on how the officials feel about it. Absolutely they could argue it is a delay in play and that would be a probably a verbal warning the first time (hey kid, don't be an idiot)... if he did it again, then the refs would either make it an official warning at the table or T him up ... I suspect it would be an official warning and then a third offense would be the T.

Perhaps there's some differences in officiating methodology between regions and conferences, then, D-Mac, because most of the CCIW refs I've seen won't tolerate anything that smacks of a delay at all. Within the past few weeks I've seen no fewer than four official delay-of-game warnings handed out -- three in CCIW men's games and one in a UAA men's game (Chicago uses CCIW officiating crews). One was the classic warning issued after a player from the scoring team touched the ball after a successful shot had passed through the cylinder, but the other three were issued to teams that were slow coming out of timeout huddles. One was issued to North Park on Wednesday that left Tom Slyder bewildered, because as the official was dictating the warning to NPU scorer Peter Nicholson at the table the Vikings were already walking onto the floor. In other words, the tolerance around these parts for slowing up the game appears to be very low. That makes it even more perplexing why IWU wasn't assessed a warning when Brady Rose shot that practice free-throw. Perhaps Eric Anderson, Mark Prina, and John Lyman didn't get the memo.

[sac]

Officials handing out delay of game warnings while calling 50 fouls is kind of trippy.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I'm curious about something I witnessed in the Millikin-IWU game the other night.  Brady Rose had possession of the ball in his defensive end of the court, and was fouled; free throw(s) to be taken.  Instead of surrendering the ball to an official, Rose walked the length of the court, with the ball tucked under his arm, arrived at the free throw line, and proceeded to shoot a practice free throw (he made it).  Is this a) a technical foul?  b) poor sportsmanship  c) just Brady being Brady?  or d) move along, nothing to see here?

I would perceive it as a delay in play.  The first time would result in a warning for delay.  A second instance of any type of delay would result in a technical foul.

Depends on how the officials feel about it. Absolutely they could argue it is a delay in play and that would be a probably a verbal warning the first time (hey kid, don't be an idiot)... if he did it again, then the refs would either make it an official warning at the table or T him up ... I suspect it would be an official warning and then a third offense would be the T.

Perhaps there's some differences in officiating methodology between regions and conferences, then, D-Mac, because most of the CCIW refs I've seen won't tolerate anything that smacks of a delay at all. Within the past few weeks I've seen no fewer than four official delay-of-game warnings handed out -- three in CCIW men's games and one in a UAA men's game (Chicago uses CCIW officiating crews). One was the classic warning issued after a player from the scoring team touched the ball after a successful shot had passed through the cylinder, but the other three were issued to teams that were slow coming out of timeout huddles. One was issued to North Park on Wednesday that left Tom Slyder bewildered, because as the official was dictating the warning to NPU scorer Peter Nicholson at the table the Vikings were already walking onto the floor. In other words, the tolerance around these parts for slowing up the game appears to be very low. That makes it even more perplexing why IWU wasn't assessed a warning when Brady Rose shot that practice free-throw. Perhaps Eric Anderson, Mark Prina, and John Lyman didn't get the memo.

I'm not necessarily saying it works the way I described... I was just presenting how it could play out. I think it depends on each official or crew that day more than anything. The game has been asked to be sped up and delay of games have increased especially with some of the chatter and gamesmanship... I have never seen a player walk down court carrying the ball, so I can't speak to what would or wouldn't happen... was just presenting a few ideas of how it could play out.

Officials handing out delay of game warnings while calling 50 fouls is kind of trippy.

Remember... refs are only doing what they are instructed from the NCAA... who is getting their marching orders from coaches. More fouls to free up the game and more delays calls to get the game moving are things coaches have asked to be put in the game. We seem to keep forgetting where these initiatives originate.

[Gregory Sager]

I'm curious about something I witnessed in the Millikin-IWU game the other night.  Brady Rose had possession of the ball in his defensive end of the court, and was fouled; free throw(s) to be taken.  Instead of surrendering the ball to an official, Rose walked the length of the court, with the ball tucked under his arm, arrived at the free throw line, and proceeded to shoot a practice free throw (he made it).  Is this a) a technical foul?  b) poor sportsmanship  c) just Brady being Brady?  or d) move along, nothing to see here?

I would perceive it as a delay in play.  The first time would result in a warning for delay.  A second instance of any type of delay would result in a technical foul.

Depends on how the officials feel about it. Absolutely they could argue it is a delay in play and that would be a probably a verbal warning the first time (hey kid, don't be an idiot)... if he did it again, then the refs would either make it an official warning at the table or T him up ... I suspect it would be an official warning and then a third offense would be the T.

Perhaps there's some differences in officiating methodology between regions and conferences, then, D-Mac, because most of the CCIW refs I've seen won't tolerate anything that smacks of a delay at all. Within the past few weeks I've seen no fewer than four official delay-of-game warnings handed out -- three in CCIW men's games and one in a UAA men's game (Chicago uses CCIW officiating crews). One was the classic warning issued after a player from the scoring team touched the ball after a successful shot had passed through the cylinder, but the other three were issued to teams that were slow coming out of timeout huddles. One was issued to North Park on Wednesday that left Tom Slyder bewildered, because as the official was dictating the warning to NPU scorer Peter Nicholson at the table the Vikings were already walking onto the floor. In other words, the tolerance around these parts for slowing up the game appears to be very low. That makes it even more perplexing why IWU wasn't assessed a warning when Brady Rose shot that practice free-throw. Perhaps Eric Anderson, Mark Prina, and John Lyman didn't get the memo.

I'm not necessarily saying it works the way I described... I was just presenting how it could play out. I think it depends on each official or crew that day more than anything. The game has been asked to be sped up and delay of games have increased especially with some of the chatter and gamesmanship... I have never seen a player walk down court carrying the ball, so I can't speak to what would or wouldn't happen... was just presenting a few ideas of how it could play out.

What I put in bold is what's been in the back of my mind every time that I've seen a slow-breaking timeout huddle turned into an official warning. Without taking the trouble to look it up, I had suspected that this was a rules emphasis this season for NCAA officials. You've just confirmed that. One thing I've noticed in the CCIW is that the various rules emphases that are handed down from season to season are indeed taken very seriously by the officials early on; hence, the griping on CCIW Chat about what many fans considered to be an excessive number of fouls being called when the rules emphases upon post contact or impeding the path of the dribbler were made. The other thing I've noticed is that the officials eventually sort of settle back into their usual way of calling things after awhile, which leads me to believe that the flurry of delay-of-game warnings will soon abate.

[sac]

Remember... refs are only doing what they are instructed from the NCAA... who is getting their marching orders from coaches. More fouls to free up the game and more delays calls to get the game moving are things coaches have asked to be put in the game. We seem to keep forgetting where these initiatives originate.

Seriously?  Gosh I had no idea, thanks Dave. 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

What I put in bold is what's been in the back of my mind every time that I've seen a slow-breaking timeout huddle turned into an official warning. Without taking the trouble to look it up, I had suspected that this was a rules emphasis this season for NCAA officials. You've just confirmed that. One thing I've noticed in the CCIW is that the various rules emphases that are handed down from season to season are indeed taken very seriously by the officials early on; hence, the griping on CCIW Chat about what many fans considered to be an excessive number of fouls being called when the rules emphases upon post contact or impeding the path of the dribbler were made. The other thing I've noticed is that the officials eventually sort of settle back into their usual way of calling things after awhile, which leads me to believe that the flurry of delay-of-game warnings will soon abate.

I believe it has been an emphasis for several years.

[iwu70]

Pgraph reports today that Seibring will miss the game with CC, perhaps be back after the bye week for the Titans, to play again vs. Carroll.  Hope the back settles down.  Always tricky.  Titans will rely more on Tyler Burdine, and rotate Bausch and Beasley, sometimes on the floor together.  Titans need this win for sure.

IWU'70

[Titan Q]

#22-Illinois Wesleyan (11-4, 3-3) vs Carthage (11-3, 4-1), 7:00pm...

#22-Illinois Wesleyan (11-4, 3-3)
G - Brady Rose, 6-3 Jr.  14.3 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 3.0 apg
G - Colin Bonnett, 6-4 So.  9.1 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 2.1 apg
G - Andy Stempel, 6-4 Sr.  11.9 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 2.9 apg
F - Alec Bausch, 6-6 Sr.  9.2 ppg, 5.5 rpg
C - Tyler Burdine, 6-9 Jr.   2.2 ppg, 2.7 rpg

G - Nick Coleman, 6-1 So. 8.3 ppg, 2.3 apg
F - Jaylen Beasley, 6-6 Jr.  5.4 ppg, 4.3 rpg
G - Austin Amann, 6-3 Sr.  4.3 ppg, 2.5 rpg
G - Miles Curry, 6-6 Fr.  2.3 ppg

Carthage (11-3, 4-1)
G - Jordan Thomas, 5-11 So.  11.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 1.7 apg
G - Kevin Kozil, 6-1 Sr.  7.5 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 5.2 apg
F - Mike Stevenson, 6-4 Sr.  17.0 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 2.4 apg
F - Brad Kruse, 6-4 Jr.  10.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 2.8 apg
C - Brad Perry, 6-11 Fr. 9.7 ppg, 6.2 rpg

F - Kienan Baltimore, 6-5 Fr.  9.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg
F - Drew Joiner, 6-4 So.  6.6 rpg, 3.4 rpg
G - Mike Kjeldsen, 6-3 Sr.  1.9 ppg
G - Derek Mason, 5-10 Jr.  1.0 ppg


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