MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Gregory Sager]

TQ has reported on the IWU recruits, Gregory Sager on a few from NPU, and some other guy has commented on the NCC newbies. Those from Augie, Elmhurst, and Wheaton are described on their respective web sites. However, has anyone heard anything about any Carthage, Carroll, or Millikin recruits?

Carthage, Carroll, and Millikin recruit?  Who knew?!

The snark is appropriate for Carroll and Millikin, but Carthage? We're talking about one of last season's tri-champions, Chuck ... a team that brought in D3hoops.com Central Region ROY Brad Perry (9.8 ppg and 6.4 rpg), Kienen Baltimore (11.7 ppg), and Jordan Thomas (10.1 ppg, .404 trey) last season. Without them, the Red Men would've finished seventh or eighth instead of tied for first.

And we did get a roster précis last year from a Carthage fan that included a skinny for each of the 2016-17 Red Men recruits. We simply got it at a very late date:

Carthage College 2016/17 Season Preview:

Non conference games:    Friday November 18th: Olivet College
                                         Sunday November 20th: Robert Morris-Peoria
                                         Tuesday November 22nd: UW River Falls
                                         Saturday November 26th: Northland College
                                         Tuesday November 29th: Calvin College
                                         Monday December 19th: @Caltech in Pasadena, California
                                         Tuesday December 20th: @University of La Verne in Laverne, California
                                         Saturday December 31st: @ UW Oshkosh
                                         Tuesday January 10th: Illinois Institute of Technology

From what I have seen the one time I have been on campus this year, the new look Red Men are exactly that.  They look a whole lot different than they did a year ago and that looks to be a very good thing.  Many newcomers including a couple of transfers that should see significant playing time immediately.  The schedule breaks a little in the Red Men's favor.  They get to open with five non conference games at home before mixing in some conference action and then heading to their trip out west.  It should be interesting to see how the rotation and minutes are spread.

Key returners:  Brad Kruse 6'4 JR Forward
                   Mike Stevenson 6'4 Sr. Forward
                   Kevin Kozil 6'0 Sr. Guard
                   Drew Joiner 6'3 Soph. Guard
                  Mike Kjeldsen 6'3 Sr. Guard
                  Derek Mason 5'10 Jr. Guard
                  Ryan Kase 6'6 Sr. Forward

New Comers:
Kamal Shasi 6'2 Guard from Seton Academy originally.   Played last season at D2 Concord West Virginia, a team that won 22 games last season.  Seems to be a kid that can shoot the ball well and really defend! Something new for the 16/17 Red Men!  I imagine he will see time right away.

Jordan Thomas 5'11 Guard:  Jordan has sophomore eligibility and comes from Northern Illinois where he was a preferred walk on.  Another new guard that should see time right away.  A great perimeter shooter.  Excellent high school career out of New Trier

Brad Perry 6'10 Center: Freshman from Maine South.  15 and 10 player in high school  Back to the basket legit big man.  The type of player every division three team is looking for.  Hopefully a solid everyday four year player.

Kienan Baltimore 6'5 Forward:  A very strong offensive player.  Averaged 20 and 8 rebounds at Zion Benton High school last year.

Cam Miller 6'5 Forward:  Great athlete in high school out of Waukegan.  All conference his senior year. 

Adam Radcliffe 5'10 Guard from a small school in Elgin Illinois

Jacob Polglase 6'3 Guard:  Australian wing player from Impact Academy down in Florida. 

Eric Braum 6'3 Guard out of local Kenosha Tremper.  15 PPG his senior year.

Reggie Banks 6'6 Freshman:  From Richmond Burton High school.  Missed his Sr. Season due to injury.  Was a top 50 player in the state of Illinois heading into his final season.   Big time recruit who has a crazy upside.  Right near the top of the list for best CCIW recruits this season!  They are hoping he is full go on October 15th. 


October 15th is almost here!! As always should be a great CCIW season.  I am glad I don't have to wait till 2017 to see some intense conference games.  I don't follow all of the teams as closely as many of you, but it appears the league is pretty wide open this year. Sure there are some favorites, but I don't see anyone right now as a for sure to make the conference tournament.  Hope some of these new guys can put Carthage in the mix this season!

Moving right along ...

IWU's 2017-18 schedule - http://www.iwusports.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball&schedule=227&.

That's a pretty strong schedule, especially when we find out who's at the Emory tournament.

uhhh  the 5 schools IWU has scheduled in November had a combined record of  53-80 last year... Will they be that much stronger?

Maybe I'm not calibrating my judgement to the high CCIW standards, but overall, it could much worse - we'll see a lot worse from good teams all over the country.

39% is pretty low for anyone. Luckily Wash. U. and Chicago help in December and whomever is in the tourney.

Perhaps not as much as you think. I believe that Wash U will be very good, and Transy and Emory should provide outstanding opposition as well (the fourth team's still a mystery, of course), but I have a sneaking suspicion that the Maroons will be down in 2017-18.

[WUPHF]

Both Chicago and Emory will need significant contributions from players who are unproven at this level for either team to be worth mentioning.

[tomt4525]

TQ has reported on the IWU recruits, Gregory Sager on a few from NPU, and some other guy has commented on the NCC newbies. Those from Augie, Elmhurst, and Wheaton are described on their respective web sites. However, has anyone heard anything about any Carthage, Carroll, or Millikin recruits?

As far as Wisconsin recruits, Carroll has a fantastic class coming in.  Carthage, not so much...haven't seen anything other than 1 recruit for them.

Carroll

Alex Setzer  6'10"  Brookfield Academy
Tarren Hall  6'2"  Mauston
Davis Braker  6'7"  Beaver Dam
Alec Hamilton  6'6"  Arrowhead

Carthage

Jason Klatt  5'10"  St Thomas More

With Carroll's class, I know Setzer and Hall are highly thought of in the state.  The State Senior Rankings have Setzer and Hall ranked 42nd and 45th.  To give an idea on a normal class in Wisconsin...the top 15 ranked kids normally are D1, 16th to normally around 35 are D2 kids...then around 36 and up will be D3 kids.  Only the top 50 get ranked. 

[AndOne]

Looks like the Orange may be trumping the Red in the in-state CCIW recruiting war.

Aleo, if Setzer & Hall were ranked 42 and 45 in the State it seems like UWW, and possibly others, would likely have come after them.

[Greek Tragedy]

Looks like the Orange may be trumping the Red in the in-state CCIW recruiting war.

Aleo, if Setzer & Hall were ranked 42 and 45 in the State it seems like UWW, and possibly others, would likely have come after them.

No. Whitewater will go after them next year because they only get transfers! I'm kidding, Badger!

[tomt4525]

Looks like the Orange may be trumping the Red in the in-state CCIW recruiting war.

Aleo, if Setzer & Hall were ranked 42 and 45 in the State it seems like UWW, and possibly others, would likely have come after them.

I don't know why you're saying "if they are ranked."  A guy who knows high school basketball in Wisconsin better than anybody else, comes out with his Player Rankings.  From following them the past few years, they seem to be pretty accurate.  It's not an exact science, but he's had a lot of guys going D3 ranked in that 35-50 range that have had a lot of success at that level.  Setzer was ranked 42nd on his end of year list while Hall was ranked 45th.  I'm sure both of them had plenty of WIAC interest.  I was definitely hoping Setzer would make his way to UWSP, 6'10" size doesn't make it to D3 that often.  Alas, they both chose Carroll as their best fit. 

[AndOne]

Looks like the Orange may be trumping the Red in the in-state CCIW recruiting war.

Aleo, if Setzer & Hall were ranked 42 and 45 in the State it seems like UWW, and possibly others, would likely have come after them.

I don't know why you're saying "if they are ranked."  A guy who knows high school basketball in Wisconsin better than anybody else, comes out with his Player Rankings.  From following them the past few years, they seem to be pretty accurate.  It's not an exact science, but he's had a lot of guys going D3 ranked in that 35-50 range that have had a lot of success at that level.  Setzer was ranked 42nd on his end of year list while Hall was ranked 45th.  I'm sure both of them had plenty of WIAC interest.  I was definitely hoping Setzer would make his way to UWSP, 6'10" size doesn't make it to D3 that often.  Alas, they both chose Carroll as their best fit.

Geez tomt.
Are you always so truculent?? Did somebody stick a hot coal up your arse or what?
I did not use the word "if" to denote any form of doubt or argument with whoever does the State Senior Rankings as you referred to them.

"If" can also be, and is often used as a conjunction introducing a conditional clause and is synonymous with situations such as provided (that), as long as, or given that.

I simply used "if" to pose the supposition that being ranked that high, it would be surprising that UWW and/or some of the other state schools didn't try recruiting them. I wasn't arguing that they were not ranked in those positions by whoever.

Also, if you want to be picky, when you say "a guy who knows high school basketball in Wisconsin better than anyone else," you might open yourself to an argument by another party or parties who think they know or know someone they think knows HS basketball in Wisconsin as well or better than the guy who compiles the State Senior Rankings. I mean was there a vote taken or what?

Here are your chill pills 💊💊💊. One that makes you larger, and one that makes you small, and the one that mother gives you don't do anything at all. 😎

[tomt4525]

Looks like the Orange may be trumping the Red in the in-state CCIW recruiting war.

Aleo, if Setzer & Hall were ranked 42 and 45 in the State it seems like UWW, and possibly others, would likely have come after them.

I don't know why you're saying "if they are ranked."  A guy who knows high school basketball in Wisconsin better than anybody else, comes out with his Player Rankings.  From following them the past few years, they seem to be pretty accurate.  It's not an exact science, but he's had a lot of guys going D3 ranked in that 35-50 range that have had a lot of success at that level.  Setzer was ranked 42nd on his end of year list while Hall was ranked 45th.  I'm sure both of them had plenty of WIAC interest.  I was definitely hoping Setzer would make his way to UWSP, 6'10" size doesn't make it to D3 that often.  Alas, they both chose Carroll as their best fit.

Geez tomt.
Are you always so truculent?? Did somebody stick a hot coal up your arse or what?
I did not use the word "if" to denote any form of doubt or argument with whoever does the State Senior Rankings as you referred to them.

"If" can also be, and is often used as a conjunction introducing a conditional clause and is synonymous with situations such as provided (that), as long as, or given that.

I simply used "if" to pose the supposition that being ranked that high, it would be surprising that UWW and/or some of the other state schools didn't try recruiting them. I wasn't arguing that they were not ranked in those positions by whoever.

Also, if you want to be picky, when you say "a guy who knows high school basketball in Wisconsin better than anyone else," you might open yourself to an argument by another party or parties who think they know or know someone they think knows HS basketball in Wisconsin as well or better than the guy who compiles the State Senior Rankings. I mean was there a vote taken or what?

Here are your chill pills 💊💊💊. One that makes you larger, and one that makes you small, and the one that mother gives you don't do anything at all. 😎

Yes, you did say "if they were ranked," which implies doubt on my previous statement.  Buy a subscription to Wissports.net and check for yourself.  Wissports is a website that follows all Wisconsin High School Sports and the guy who does all the Boys Basketball content is the person who does these rankings. As someone who likes to follow the recruiting, rankings are fun to see.

Also, I don't know why you seem adamant that these players didn't have an option to play at UWW or UWSP or other state schools.  I am quite sure they did have the option, they chose Carroll instead.

As far as opening myself up to other "experts" in Wisconsin.  Definitely not worried, if there are some out there...I'd love to read their content.

[AndOne]

I think I clearly explained the meanings of and my use of word "if." If the (given) rankings, then ______. This assumes they ARE ranked as you indicated.

Also, you're still misinterpreting my statement. I never said they didn't have a chance to play for UWW, UWSP, or any other state school. In fact, I said it would be surprising if those schools DIDN'T look at/recruit them! 

[WUPHF]

Aleo, if Setzer & Hall were ranked 42 and 45 in the State it seems like UWW, and possibly others, would likely have come after them.

In person, with the context that comes with non-verbals and a larger conversation, this comment works.

In an online forum, between the if they were ranked and the it seems likely, this phrase includes some doubt as to the veracity of the original claim.  At least among people who do not share a strong rapport.

[Gregory Sager]

Aleo, if Setzer & Hall were ranked 42 and 45 in the State it seems like UWW, and possibly others, would likely have come after them.

In person, with the context that comes with non-verbals and a larger conversation, this comment works.

In an online forum, between the if they were ranked and the it seems likely, this phrase includes some doubt as to the veracity of the original claim.  At least among people who do not share a strong rapport.

I have to agree, since the unwritten context includes the truism that UWW (as well as other WIAC schools, since "possibly others" following reference to UWW seems to imply UWW's sister institutions) tends to beat out non-WIAC schools that go head-to-head with Pat Miller for in-state recruits. Since I'm familiar with how Mark expresses himself, I read that sentence more or less the way that he intended it. But, given the ambiguity of the wording and that additional fact about how hard it is for a CCIW or MWC or NACC team to woo a prospect from America's Dairyland who is also being pursued by a WIAC team or teams (especially when one of the WIAC's pair of 400-pound gorillas is involved), it's easy to see why tomt4525 read it the way that he did.

[WUPHF]

I was curious if Coach Scherer would retain either of the St. Louis area assistants on his staff.  Is it safe to say that Scherer has retained all three assistants?

http://athletics.millikin.edu/roster.aspx?path=mbball

[HAMBO]

Yes I believe he has retained all 3. It appears that he has been able to retain the nucleus of Nadelhoffer's recruits including the very good 2016/2017 freshman class.  I would assume that the incoming class might be small due to the coaching change.  Does anyone know??  Jucos??

[Gregory Sager]

The only Millikin recruit I know about is 6'3, 220 forward Isiah Florey from Monticello, who will join his former high school teammate Zach Fisher on the Big Blue.

[titanfan]

Anybody know if they are streaming the IBCA all star games online?  I did a quick search and couldn't find them.