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Gregory Sager

Quote from: AndOne on December 16, 2017, 04:26:46 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 15, 2017, 11:26:06 PM
Quote from: AndOne on December 15, 2017, 11:16:16 PM
With tonight's victory by North Central over Alma, NCC Head Coach Todd Raridon achieved his 499th win as a head coach. In this, his fourteenth season at NCC his record, after tonight's ninth game of the 2017-2018 season, stands at 230-129. Previous to coming to North Central in 2004-05, Todd served as head coach at Nebraska Wesleyan from 1989-90 through 2003-04 where his record over that fifteen year span was 269-125. With his next win he will become only the thirteen active NCAA D3 head coach with 500 or more wins. Also, I believe he is also only the second coach to lead two different teams to the Final Four, doing so with his 1996-97 NWU team which finished 2nd, and his 2012-2013 NCC team. Looking forward hopefully to #500 next Tuesday night vs. Albion at home.

AO, you forgot to mention WHY Todd Raridon only finished second in Salem in 1997! ;D

* Because the other team scored a whole 3 points more? 🤔
* Because doing so would be akin to saying Ron Rose doesn't deserve any credit for reaching the Final Four in 2012 and 2014 because he didn't even reach the championship game as Raridon did in 1997. 😏
* Because the whole point of my post was to recognize an entire body of outstanding work over 29 years as opposed to any single game, win or lose, among over 750 games. 😎

You apparently forgot that the focus isn't always only on things that come wrapped in green.  :o  ;)

Mark, you need to stop butting heads here with the Statler and Waldorf of the Green Tribe and check out the disrespect flung at your Cardinals over on the MIAA board.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

AndOne

In the topsy turvy world of D3 Alma loses to NCC by 21 at home last night, then takes a 5 hour bus ride TO Wheaton today, and downs the Thundering Crusaders 87-82 as GS indicated.
Francis had "only" 28 (7/23, 6/19, 8/8), and Samuelson had 19. No other Wheaties in double figures.
Alma had 5 guys with 10 or more. They got 44 points from their bench compared to 16 from WC.
Alma led for 90.6% of the game.
Did Francis play defense tonight?
Did he get a lecture from Coach Schauer?

Gregory Sager

Quote from: AndOne on December 16, 2017, 10:01:31 PM
In the topsy turvy world of D3 Alma loses to NCC by 21 at home last night, then takes a 5 hour bus ride TO Wheaton today, and downs the Thundering Crusaders 87-82 as GS indicated.
Francis had "only" 28 (7/23, 6/19, 8/8), and Samuelson had 19. No other Wheaties in double figures.
Alma had 5 guys with 10 or more. They got 44 points from their bench compared to 16 from WC.
Alma led for 90.6% of the game.
Did Francis play defense tonight?
Did he get a lecture from Coach Schauer?

Mike did start off his postgame comments with a quip about how his offensive-minded guys aren't playing defense, and his good defenders can't be relied upon to score the basketball, so I suppose that that was a veiled comment at least directed in part at Francis (although it's probably unfair to single him out in a blanket indictment like that one). I was more interested in the fact that he made a quick comment at the end like, "It's a good thing that we get to rate the refs," or something to that effect, before abruptly walking away from interviewer Rusty Lindsey. I thought that it was a reasonably well-officiated game, and if anyone should be griping about the zebras it should be Sam Hargraves and not Mike Schauer, since Alma was whistled for 20 fouls and Wheaton only for 13.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: mr_b on December 16, 2017, 09:29:10 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 16, 2017, 08:06:47 PM
Quote from: kiko on December 16, 2017, 07:55:03 PM
Congrats to Illinois Wesleyan for Augustana's 82-73 over Central in the deepest depths of Iowa today.

(Am I doing this right?)

No.
Congrats to Illinois Wesleyan for Augustana's 82-73 over Central in the deepest depths of Iowa today.


Fixed that for you.

No.

Memo to Kiko and Mr. B: IWU had nothing to do with Augie beating Central.  IWU DID have something to do with Coach Raridan's 2nd place finish in Salem in 1997.  As a CCIW supporter, I just thought a mention of a CCIW team being the reason for that finish might be appropriate.  And was obviously tongue-in-cheek ( ;D).  Sorry. ::)

AndOne

Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 16, 2017, 09:52:41 PM
Quote from: AndOne on December 16, 2017, 04:26:46 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 15, 2017, 11:26:06 PM
Quote from: AndOne on December 15, 2017, 11:16:16 PM
With tonight's victory by North Central over Alma, NCC Head Coach Todd Raridon achieved his 499th win as a head coach. In this, his fourteenth season at NCC his record, after tonight's ninth game of the 2017-2018 season, stands at 230-129. Previous to coming to North Central in 2004-05, Todd served as head coach at Nebraska Wesleyan from 1989-90 through 2003-04 where his record over that fifteen year span was 269-125. With his next win he will become only the thirteen active NCAA D3 head coach with 500 or more wins. Also, I believe he is also only the second coach to lead two different teams to the Final Four, doing so with his 1996-97 NWU team which finished 2nd, and his 2012-2013 NCC team. Looking forward hopefully to #500 next Tuesday night vs. Albion at home.

AO, you forgot to mention WHY Todd Raridon only finished second in Salem in 1997! ;D

* Because the other team scored a whole 3 points more? 🤔
* Because doing so would be akin to saying Ron Rose doesn't deserve any credit for reaching the Final Four in 2012 and 2014 because he didn't even reach the championship game as Raridon did in 1997. 😏
* Because the whole point of my post was to recognize an entire body of outstanding work over 29 years as opposed to any single game, win or lose, among over 750 games. 😎

You apparently forgot that the focus isn't always only on things that come wrapped in green.  :o  ;)

Mark, you need to stop butting heads here with the Statler and Waldorf of the Green Tribe and check out the disrespect flung at your Cardinals over on the MIAA board.

Its been addressed over there. The disrespector (is that a word?) apparently is confused as he first praised the Cardinals (in a post that investigation revealed was evidently later deleted :) ), then, later, "dissed" the Cardinals.  :D

iwu70

Ypsi, are you Statler or Waldorf, I've forgotten which you took.  I just always thought of you as "Ypsi."  :) 

Surprised WC couldn't overcome Alma tonight.  So many shooters, so little defense.

The Wash U - IWU rivalry up next.  A great opportunity for our TITANS. 

'70


kiko

#46686
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 16, 2017, 11:07:22 PM
Quote from: mr_b on December 16, 2017, 09:29:10 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 16, 2017, 08:06:47 PM
Quote from: kiko on December 16, 2017, 07:55:03 PM
Congrats to Illinois Wesleyan for Augustana's 82-73 over Central in the deepest depths of Iowa today.

(Am I doing this right?)

No.
Congrats to Illinois Wesleyan for Augustana's 82-73 over Central in the deepest depths of Iowa today.


Fixed that for you.

No.

Memo to Kiko and Mr. B: IWU had nothing to do with Augie beating Central.  IWU DID have something to do with Coach Raridan's 2nd place finish in Salem in 1997.  As a CCIW supporter, I just thought a mention of a CCIW team being the reason for that finish might be appropriate.  And was obviously tongue-in-cheek ( ;D).  Sorry. ::)

Not so obvious on the tongue-in-cheek... that emoji can be taken as a poke that your beloved Titans won the tourney that year, rather than a nod to the broader conference, and would be something like the 1,326,216th example of you and/or Waldorf making something all about IWU.  I hope you can see why, in the context of a post that was meant to recognize a different team's coach, others might find the comment off-putting.  I'm glad that wasn't your intent, but there is very much a track record here.

My post was more in response to 70's snippy 'get over it' dismissal of something he didn't want to hear.  I suspect we'll see similar curmudgeonliness from the Pacific Rim at year-end when someone suggests that the first-team all conference team should not be comprised of the Titan starting five.

iwu70

Kiko, Kiko, surely you jest.  I'm quite sure that Sorenson and Raridon will be on the CCIW first team come year's end. Pre-season All-Americans and all . . .  Likely dear defense-less Francis too.  Clearly Mssr. Orange from Augie.   Who else, I know not, curmudgeonly or otherwise.  It's a team game, so if my TITANS win the conference and have no first teamers, that would please me just fine.  I think it more likely that Augie continues to dominate and, hopefully, my Greenies prove worthy enough to make the D3 dance, come March.  Given Augie's recent domination, one can't hope for too too much, even with green glasses or green blood.  (I think it likely NCC will be in the same position, waiting anxiously on selection Sunday.  They have notched up a number of losses for so early in the season). 

And, AO, still needs to get over it.  No one is saying that Coach Raridon is not a great coach, Ypsi's chiding notwithstanding.  He is a very good coach, surely a massive record of wins in CCIW and out.  My congrats to him. 

iwu'70


AndOne

Quote from: kiko on December 17, 2017, 12:12:39 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 16, 2017, 11:07:22 PM
Quote from: mr_b on December 16, 2017, 09:29:10 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 16, 2017, 08:06:47 PM
Quote from: kiko on December 16, 2017, 07:55:03 PM
Congrats to Illinois Wesleyan for Augustana's 82-73 over Central in the deepest depths of Iowa today.

(Am I doing this right?)

No.
Congrats to Illinois Wesleyan for Augustana's 82-73 over Central in the deepest depths of Iowa today.


Fixed that for you.

No.

Memo to Kiko and Mr. B: IWU had nothing to do with Augie beating Central.  IWU DID have something to do with Coach Raridan's 2nd place finish in Salem in 1997.  As a CCIW supporter, I just thought a mention of a CCIW team being the reason for that finish might be appropriate.  And was obviously tongue-in-cheek ( ;D).  Sorry. ::)

Not so obvious on the tongue-in-cheek... that emoji can be taken as a poke that your beloved Titans won the tourney that year, rather than a nod to the broader conference, and would be something like the 1,326,216th example of you and/or Waldorf making something all about IWU.  I hope you can see why, in the context of a post that was meant to recognize a different team's coach, others might find the comment off-putting.  I'm glad that wasn't your intent, but there is very much a track record here.

My post was more in response to 70's snippy 'get over it' dismissal of something he didn't want to hear.  I suspect we'll see similar curmudgeonliness from the Pacific Rim at year-end when someone suggests that the first-team all conference team should not be comprised of the Titan starting five.

Of course it matters not at all that a coach is about to have the win column marked for a rare 500th time. But, rather the fact that he lost a particular game almost 21 years ago to the greatest team in the history of D3 basketball, that is the defining moment of a distinguished, almost 29 year career. 🤯

A comment like "get over it," no matter how tongue-in-cheek, in response to expressing upset at any attempt to detract from the praising of such a noteworthy achievement is childish at best, and is misguided at any point. 👎

"Get over it" gives tacit approval to yet again making it all about IWU rather than focusing on whats really noteworthy TODAY.
21 years ago it was IWU's time to shine. But today, the spotlight is, and should be, squarely on Coach Raridon. 🏀

iwu70


GoPerry

Quote from: AndOne on December 16, 2017, 10:01:31 PM
In the topsy turvy world of D3 Alma loses to NCC by 21 at home last night, then takes a 5 hour bus ride TO Wheaton today, and downs the Thundering Crusaders 87-82 as GS indicated.
Francis had "only" 28 (7/23, 6/19, 8/8), and Samuelson had 19. No other Wheaties in double figures.
Alma had 5 guys with 10 or more. They got 44 points from their bench compared to 16 from WC.
Alma led for 90.6% of the game.
Did Francis play defense tonight?
Did he get a lecture from Coach Schauer?


Has nothing to do with anything being topsy turvy, bus rides, or other descriptions of "go figure?" randomness.  Alma simply played with more energy against a Thunder team that was pretty bad in manifold ways.  Coming into King Arena Alma was averaging 69.5 pts/game.  They had 52 points at the half.

Frustrating for the coaches, frustrating for the fans to watch.  Next up?  A trip to Spokane to play #7 Whitworth averaging a mere 86 pts/game.

Ricky Samuelson finally got a few more shots going 6-12 from the field, 5-9 from 3pt.  But it is dumbfounding that WC couldn't find him more open looks against 40 mins of zone defense.  But in just 15 mins of play, both Peterson and Spencer had 7 shots apiece.



Titan Q

#46691
Illinois Wesleyan (7-1, 2-1) vs #11-Wash U (7-1, 0-0), 3pm...

Illinois Wesleyan (7-1, 2-1)
G - Nick Coleman, 6-2/185 Jr.  6.0 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.5 apg
G - Brady Rose, 6-3/185 Jr.  20.5 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 3.1 apg
G - Colin Bonnett, 6-4/190 Jr.  10.6 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 3.4 apg
F - Jaylen Beasley, 6-6/185 Sr.  9.1 ppg, 8.8 rpg
C - Alex O'Neill, 6-9/245 So. 10.0 ppg, 4.5 rpg

G - Zach Knobloch, 6-2/180 So.  9.9 ppg
G - Jason Gregoire, 6-4/205 Jr.  6.0 ppg
F - Miles Curry, 6-6/205 So.  5.0 ppg, 4.5 apg
G - Grant Wolfe, 5-11/175 Fr.  3.6 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 2.5 apg
F - Danny Baker, 6-6/220 Jr.  4.1 ppg, 3.8 rpg
C - Tyler Burdine, 6-9/235 Sr. 2.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg

#11-Wash U (7-1, 0-0)
G - Kevin Kucera, 6-2/185 Sr.  12.8 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 5.9 apg
G - Jake Knupp, 6-1/170 Sr.  15.1 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 4.1 apg
F - Matt Highsmith, 6-7/205 Sr.  9.4 ppg, 3.3 rpg,  2.3 apg
F - Andrew Sanders, 6-5/220 Sr.  19.6 ppg, 8.0 rpg
C - David Schmelter, 6-9/215 Sr.  7.4 ppg, 8.1 rpg

G - Jack Nolan, 6-1/165 Fr.  8.5 ppg
G - Matt Nester, 5-11/175 So.  3.9 ppg
F - Jack Wiernicki, 6-5/200 Jr.  3.0 ppg
C - Marcus Meyer, 6-9/225 Jr.  2.8 ppg
F - Louis Reinmiller, 6-4/185 So.  1.0 ppg


Pantagraph - http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/basketball/men/iwu-braces-for-visit-from-no-washington/article_22546ed7-c7ca-5e1b-81e8-31eebd872187.html

WJBC Radio - https://portal.stretchinternet.com/wjbc/

Video/Stats: https://portal.stretchinternet.com/iwu/

D3 Efficiency: IWU 82 Wash U 76 http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html

iwu70

Ugly, at half-time Wash U waxing the TITANS 58-33.  You can see why Wash U is so highly ranked.  Almost a perfect offensive half of basketball.

'70

jaybird44

Andrew Sanders is exceptional as a low post technician.  He finds the right spot to get inside scoring without getting blocked too often, and he is a vital cog in moving the ball in the half-court offense.  When he missed the game at Mount St. Joseph because of injury, his absence was seismic.

iwu70

Sanders is good, but tonight it's Kucera. 

'70