MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[AndOne]

An overflow crowd of 115 was on hand at Millikin last night to witness North Central defeat the home team 71-54. Comparison wise, the game between the school's women's teams @ NCC drew 145!

There must be a lot more alternative entertainment options in Decatur than there are in Naperville.

Indeed!
While Decatur residents can engage in just about any form of alternative entertainment their hearts may desire with no need to even venture outside the city limits, residents of prim and proper NAPPerville usually have to navigate their way to surrounding burbs like Wheaton in order to be able to engage in various forms of debauchery.     

[Yogao]

LiveStats showed the T as on the bench. I didn't know there is a difference between team and bench.  Either way Augie has to stay out of foul trouble, because even with a deep bench, not having Orange and Ebel for the last 3+ minutes hurt them tremendously.

TEAM and BENCH are live stats terms, not NCAA terms. The NCAA has three classes of technical fouls: administrative, Class A, and Class B. Class A and Class B techs can be assessed, depending upon the context, to either a player or a coach. A Class A tech results in two free throws; a Class B tech results in one. Generally speaking, Class A techs are assessed to someone saying or doing something that can generally be considered as offensive behavior (taunting, shoving, excessive arguing, swearing, etc.), while Class B techs are assessed for more general sportsmanship violations (hanging on the rim, interfering with the ball following a basket after a delay-of-game warning has already been given to that team, running down the floor out of bounds, slapping the backboard to interfere with an opponent's shot, etc.).

Wheaton was given two free throws following the Augie tech subsequent to Ebel's disqualification last night, so it was a Class A tech. Whether it was assigned to Ebel, to Grey Giovanine, or to someone else from Augustana is unclear. It's not likely that it was assessed to a player who was in the game at that moment, or it would've been assigned to that player in live stats. The question is whether or not the Carver live stats operator still considered Ebel to be in the game or not after he had been disqualified with his fifth foul but was still on the court. This same thing happened last week in the MU @ NPU game; Millikin's Michael Beaty fouled out, mouthed off to official Terry Murphy, and was T'ed up. The crackerbox's live stats operator -- correctly, I think -- assigned the Class A tech to Beaty rather than to TEAM, because, even though Beaty had been disqualified, he had not yet been substituted for by Mark Scherer and was thus still active for statistical purposes. If the Carver live stats operator thought along those same lines, then the tech wasn't assigned to Ebel because he hadn't been assessed the tech -- rather, it was assessed to somebody on the Augustana bench (and I think we all know who the likely culprit is ).

Thanks for the explanation, and that's why I put my original "bench" in quotes, because I agree that we all probably know who most likely got the T. I just didn't want to wrongly accuse someone 

[AndOne]

It seems unusual that the box score would indicate the T was on the TEAM while Live Stats would list it as being on the BENCH, although Greg's explanation sheds some light on how the terminology is normally used and how/why his may have occurred.
If the T was indeed on the BENCH, it would be interesting to learn what Coach Jesse said or did. 😏

[Gregory Sager]

It seems unusual that the box score would indicate the T was on the TEAM while Live Stats would list it as being on the BENCH, although Greg's explanation sheds some light on how the terminology is normally used and how/why his may have occurred.
If the T was indeed on the BENCH, it would be interesting to learn what Coach Jesse said or did. 😏

I'm not a live stats operator, but, as far as I've been able to tell over the years, some live stats operators use the terms interchangeably. I don't know this for sure, but my guess is that the TEAM technical input was originally designed to assign administrative technicals and the BENCH technical input was originally designed to assign Class A or Class B technicals assessed to someone affiliated with the team who was in the bench area. Class A and Class B T's have the potential for disciplinary consequences, while administrative technicals do not, so they ought to be differentiated by both the official scorer and the live stats operator.

[izzy stradlin]

It seems unusual that the box score would indicate the T was on the TEAM while Live Stats would list it as being on the BENCH, although Greg's explanation sheds some light on how the terminology is normally used and how/why his may have occurred.
If the T was indeed on the BENCH, it would be interesting to learn what Coach Jesse said or did. 😏

I'm not a live stats operator, but, as far as I've been able to tell over the years, some live stats operators use the terms interchangeably. I don't know this for sure, but my guess is that the TEAM technical input was originally designed to assign administrative technicals and the BENCH technical input was originally designed to assign Class A or Class B technicals assessed to someone affiliated with the team who was in the bench area. Class A and Class B T's have the potential for disciplinary consequences, while administrative technicals do not, so they ought to be differentiated by both the official scorer and the live stats operator.

http://www.ourquadcities.com/sports/augustana-mens-basketball-falls-to-wheaton-at-home/909808568

At the end of the above video, Grey admits to the technical.  He says it was his first in 15 years??

[Gregory Sager]

That seems a little hard to believe, to put it mildly.

[thunder38]

It seems unusual that the box score would indicate the T was on the TEAM while Live Stats would list it as being on the BENCH, although Greg's explanation sheds some light on how the terminology is normally used and how/why his may have occurred.
If the T was indeed on the BENCH, it would be interesting to learn what Coach Jesse said or did. 😏

I'm not a live stats operator, but, as far as I've been able to tell over the years, some live stats operators use the terms interchangeably. I don't know this for sure, but my guess is that the TEAM technical input was originally designed to assign administrative technicals and the BENCH technical input was originally designed to assign Class A or Class B technicals assessed to someone affiliated with the team who was in the bench area. Class A and Class B T's have the potential for disciplinary consequences, while administrative technicals do not, so they ought to be differentiated by both the official scorer and the live stats operator.

http://www.ourquadcities.com/sports/augustana-mens-basketball-falls-to-wheaton-at-home/909808568

At the end of the above video, Grey admits to the technical.  He says it was his first in 15 years??

He got T'd up at Wheaton a couple years ago so I know that isn't true. He had the good fortune of launching into a tirade as the gym fell silent for a free throw, leaving his expletive unmistakable and leaving the refs no choice.

[thunder38]

It seems unusual that the box score would indicate the T was on the TEAM while Live Stats would list it as being on the BENCH, although Greg's explanation sheds some light on how the terminology is normally used and how/why his may have occurred.
If the T was indeed on the BENCH, it would be interesting to learn what Coach Jesse said or did. 😏

I'm not a live stats operator, but, as far as I've been able to tell over the years, some live stats operators use the terms interchangeably. I don't know this for sure, but my guess is that the TEAM technical input was originally designed to assign administrative technicals and the BENCH technical input was originally designed to assign Class A or Class B technicals assessed to someone affiliated with the team who was in the bench area. Class A and Class B T's have the potential for disciplinary consequences, while administrative technicals do not, so they ought to be differentiated by both the official scorer and the live stats operator.

http://www.ourquadcities.com/sports/augustana-mens-basketball-falls-to-wheaton-at-home/909808568

At the end of the above video, Grey admits to the technical.  He says it was his first in 15 years??

He got T'd up at Wheaton a couple years ago so I know that isn't true. He had the good fortune of launching into a tirade as the gym fell silent for a free throw, leaving his expletive unmistakable and leaving the refs no choice.

Easy to see why this tech and this game might have slipped his mind given how the game ended up.
http://wheaton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/mbball/mbbarchivedstats/2012/mwhe25.htm

[Gregory Sager]

Easy to see why this tech and this game might have slipped his mind given how the game ended up.
http://wheaton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/mbball/mbbarchivedstats/2012/mwhe25.htm

I'd be surprised if that had been the only T he'd been handed over the past decade and a half, too.

[Gregory Sager]

Tomorrow night's games:
Carroll (4-20, 0-5) @ Augustana (11-3, 3-2)
Elmhurst (10-4, 3-2) @ Carthage  (8-6, 3-2)
Illinois Wesleyan (11-3, 4-1) @ North Park (4-9, 1-4)
Wheaton (11-3, 5-1) @ North Central (10-4, 4-2)

Massey sez:

Augustana 75, Carroll 57	AC 95%, CU 5%
Carthage 80, Elmhurst 73	CC 74%, CC 26%
Illinois Wesleyan 73, North Park 65	IWU 77%, NPU 23%
North Central 84, Wheaton 77	NCC 75%, WC 25%

Since Ken doesn't have Wednesday's scores inputted yet, I wondered if his predictions might be askew. But Matt Snyder's Custom D3 Matchups function predicts almost-identical scores for three of the four games. The one conspicuous exception is that Matt has North Central beating Wheaton by a much narrower 79-78 score.

[iwu70]

I'd have EC over Carthage.  Others sounds about right, though the way WC is going, they may pull off the upset win over NCC too.  Francis could go for 50. 

'70

[lmitzel]

the way WC is going, they may pull off the upset win over NCC too.  Francis could go for 50. 

'70

For what it's worth, last year at the Hangar Francis got held to 13 points on 6-16 shooting, including 1-5 from deep. Of course Francis is playing out of his mind this year and just torched Augie in Rock Island. Needless to say, the Cardinals will have their hands full.

I for one am more interested if Mike Schauer requests an out of the box warning again.

[Titan Q]

Illinois Wesleyan (11-3, 4-1) at North Park (4-9, 1-4), 7pm...

Illinois Wesleyan (11-3, 4-1)
G - Brady Rose, 6-3/185 Jr.  21.7 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 2.9 apg
G - Colin Bonnett, 6-4/190 Jr.  12.5 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 2.5 apg
G - Jason Gregoire, 6-4/195 Jr.  5.9 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.9 apg
F - Jaylen Beasley, 6-6/185 Sr.  7.6 ppg, 7.4 rpg
C - Alex O'Neill, 6-9/245 So.  7.3 ppg, 5.2 rpg

North Park (4-9, 1-4)
G - Colin Lake, 5-7/175 Sr.  21.5 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 2.1 apg
G - Jack Gurvey, 6-1/160 Jr.  3.2 ppg, 2.2 apg, 1.4 apg
G - Billy Kirby, 6-3/190 Jr.  13.5 ppg, 3.5 apg, 2.1 apg
F - Matt Szuba, 6-6/210 Fr.  7.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg
F - Vergard Tangen, 6-6/210 So.  1.1 ppg, 1.5 rpg


Pantagraph: http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/basketball/men/iwu-has-options-at-point-guard-ahead-of-north-park/article_ca4434d1-b456-5708-9cdb-2a06f67d071a.html

WJBC Radio: https://portal.stretchinternet.com/wjbc/

Video: https://boxcast.tv/view/mbb---il-wesleyan-at-north-park-895503

Live Stats: http://www.sidearmstats.com/nparku/mbball/

[duckfan41]

Key for Wheaton tonight: Keep Alex Sorenson from scoring 20 and keep Alex Sorenson off of the glass (less than 10 boards), then we'll see what happens. This is always an entertaining game between to teams (and schools) that do not like each other. If NCC gives Francis enough space to get hot, I see the Thunder coming out of this one with two wins at two of the hardest places to play in the conference in the same week which would be huge.

Obviously NCC has more weapons than Sorenson, but in last year's matchup at King, Sorenson torched us, so minimizing him helps keep the game close when other offensive weapons are hitting for them. Will be in Naperville for the game tonight rooting for a Thunder win!

[John Gleich]

Carroll (4-10, 0-5)

Fixed the loss column for you GS.  Carroll hasn't been good. but they haven't been THAT bad yet.

There's more to an athletic program than just basketball... but anybody think that Carroll might be rethinking their return to the CCIW?