MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[voxelmhurst]

The CCIW coaching dads have had a very successful run with their kids playing star roles in recent times. The "he only plays cuz his dad is the coach" crap should remain in the realm of delusional high school parents and former LA Clippers.

Amen. Give me a starting five of Stevie D., Brady Rose, and the three Raridon brothers, and I'll win the D3 national championship without even picking up my whiteboard.

My EC alum friends and I have all jokingly agreed that Elmhurst will never be perennial CCIW contenders until a head coach's son can suit up for the Jays.

Having watched Kent Raymond play in person many times during his time at Wheaton, I can say with absolute certainty that Brady Rose is not him. Brady is great player and one of the best guards in the conference today, but Kent Raymond was on a whole other level.

This reminds me of an Elmhurst/Wheaton game in Wheaton circa 2009 (I believe). Wheaton, I think was ranked #1 in the nation at the time but missing Kent Raymond for this particular game. Anyway, Elmhurst pulled off the road victory, celebrated in the final minutes of the game by some EC students by chanting "overrated" at the #1 ranked Thunder. Not thrilled, Coach Scherer walked over to the EC students and loudly exclaimed "They're missing the best (D3) player in the country." 

[badgerwarhawk]

Still very much a rookie to posting, even though it seams I've been promoted to second-string 

That is a function of how many times you post.  Keep it up and you'll be a starter in no time and eventually an All American. 

[blue_jays]

The CCIW coaching dads have had a very successful run with their kids playing star roles in recent times. The "he only plays cuz his dad is the coach" crap should remain in the realm of delusional high school parents and former LA Clippers.

Amen. Give me a starting five of Stevie D., Brady Rose, and the three Raridon brothers, and I'll win the D3 national championship without even picking up my whiteboard.

My EC alum friends and I have all jokingly agreed that Elmhurst will never be perennial CCIW contenders until a head coach's son can suit up for the Jays.

Having watched Kent Raymond play in person many times during his time at Wheaton, I can say with absolute certainty that Brady Rose is not him. Brady is great player and one of the best guards in the conference today, but Kent Raymond was on a whole other level.

This reminds me of an Elmhurst/Wheaton game in Wheaton circa 2009 (I believe). Wheaton, I think was ranked #1 in the nation at the time but missing Kent Raymond for this particular game. Anyway, Elmhurst pulled off the road victory, celebrated in the final minutes of the game by some EC students by chanting "overrated" at the #1 ranked Thunder. Not thrilled, Coach Scherer walked over to the EC students and loudly exclaimed "They're missing the best (D3) player in the country."

Yes it was 2009, that was when he missed a stretch of games with an ankle sprain suffered versus Augie at home when he landed on someone's foot. When they rematched at Faganel Hall, Raymond burned them for 29 points in a 15-point win. Best moment was when the students were chanting at him, and he ran off a screen to the corner right in front of them and buried a 3 that shut them up immediately. Raymond had a few moments like that which stick out in my mind when he knew how to play to the crowd.

[AppletonRocks]

Lyndsey Graham has small stones

[WUPHF]

Wheaton, I think was ranked #1 in the nation at the time but missing Kent Raymond for this particular game. Anyway, Elmhurst pulled off the road victory, celebrated in the final minutes of the game by some EC students by chanting "overrated" at the #1 ranked Thunder. Not thrilled, Coach Scherer walked over to the EC students and loudly exclaimed "They're missing the best (D3) player in the country." 

I was thinking about the pod of death after mentioning it a few days ago and I took a walk down memory lane.

Wheaton was definitely No. 1.

Elmhurst had defeated a full-strength No. 1 Washington University just a few weeks prior.

I know not everyone appreciates overrated, but if you are Elmhurst, I think you gotta break it out on both occasions.

Ben Panner was on that Wheaton team.  I did not realize that there was another Panner associated with the team until today.  Is it safe to assume they are related?

[Gregory Sager]

The CCIW coaching dads have had a very successful run with their kids playing star roles in recent times. The "he only plays cuz his dad is the coach" crap should remain in the realm of delusional high school parents and former LA Clippers.

Amen. Give me a starting five of Stevie D., Brady Rose, and the three Raridon brothers, and I'll win the D3 national championship without even picking up my whiteboard.

My EC alum friends and I have all jokingly agreed that Elmhurst will never be perennial CCIW contenders until a head coach's son can suit up for the Jays.

It only works with sons, not nephews. Back in the mid-'60s (i.e., the Prikkel era and not the Sager era ) North Park head coach Royner Greene's nephew Bernie was the star of the Vikings. Alas, the Vikings were terrible -- and would stay terrible until both uncle and nephew Greene had departed. It was under Greene's successor Dan McCarrell that North Park finally contended and eventually won its first CCIW title. And it only works for head coaches, not assistant coaches. Former DePaul great Kevin Holmes was an assistant coach under first Dylan Howard and then Tom Slyder at NPU, and his son Mark was an All-CCIW performer for the Vikings (and still plays professionally in Europe) -- but the Vikings never gained any traction at all while either Holmes was at Foster & Kedzie, although nobody can blame either one of them for it. (It was a different story at Augie when the Swetalla brothers had their dad on Grey Giovanine's staff a decade ago.)

Having watched Kent Raymond play in person many times during his time at Wheaton, I can say with absolute certainty that Brady Rose is not him. Brady is great player and one of the best guards in the conference today, but Kent Raymond was on a whole other level.

This reminds me of an Elmhurst/Wheaton game in Wheaton circa 2009 (I believe). Wheaton, I think was ranked #1 in the nation at the time but missing Kent Raymond for this particular game. Anyway, Elmhurst pulled off the road victory, celebrated in the final minutes of the game by some EC students by chanting "overrated" at the #1 ranked Thunder. Not thrilled, Coach Scherer walked over to the EC students and loudly exclaimed "They're missing the best (D3) player in the country."

Kudos to Mark Scherer for that.

Ben Panner was on that Wheaton team.  I did not realize that there was another Panner associated with the team until today.  Is it safe to assume they are related?

Brothers.

[WUPHF]

+1 Thanks! Ben Panner was awesome.

[Titan Q]

* Kent Raymond (2008-09 Sr Season; 27 games): 24.5 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.3 apg (.497 FG, .353 3-point, .871 FT)

* Brady Rose (2017-18 Jr Season; 16 games): 22.7 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 3.2 apg (.487 FG, .412 3-point, .817 FT)
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* Kent Raymond (2008-09 Sr Season, 11 CCIW games): 24.5 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.3 apg (.497 FG, .353 3-point, .871 FT)

* Brady Rose (2017-18 Jr Season; 7 CCIW games): 25.7 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 3.4 apg (.538 FG, .532 3-point, .853 FT)

[gordonmann]

Wow. A lot closer than I would've guessed.

[GoPerry]

Trivial fact:  Wheaton is dominating the country in the 3 pt stats category.  But in a fairly peculiar happenstance, Aston Francis leads the nation in 3FG attempts (204 ), 3FG made ( 75 ) and 3FG/game ( 4.69 ) while Ricky Samuelson leads in 3FG % ( 59.7% ). 

[izzy stradlin]

Trivial fact:  Wheaton is dominating the country in the 3 pt stats category.  But in a fairly peculiar happenstance, Aston Francis leads the nation in 3FG attempts (204 ), 3FG made ( 75 ) and 3FG/game ( 4.69 ) while Ricky Samuelson leads in 3FG % ( 59.7% ).

I think the more Francis mixes in lane penetration, the more efficient Wheaton's offense will be.  He can make amazingly difficult 25 footers, but he is really an excellent passer when he draws a second defender and has a back-court mate that is hitting at almost 60% from three.  If a guard is shooting 60% on 3 point FG my initial reaction is he isn't shooting enough.

[kiko]

* Kent Raymond (2008-09 Sr Season; 27 games): 24.5 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.3 apg (.497 FG, .353 3-point, .871 FT)

* Brady Rose (2017-18 Jr Season; 16 games): 22.7 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 3.2 apg (.487 FG, .412 3-point, .817 FT)
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* Kent Raymond (2008-09 Sr Season, 11 CCIW games): 24.5 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.3 apg (.497 FG, .353 3-point, .871 FT)

* Brady Rose (2017-18 Jr Season; 7 CCIW games): 25.7 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 3.4 apg (.538 FG, .532 3-point, .853 FT)

Not to dispute the comparison, but why are Kent Raymond's statlines for overall and conference play identical?

[Greek Tragedy]

I laughed when you said he's an excellent passer, but alas, he does average 4.7 assists a game. And yes, 59.7% is impressive, but Samuelson has only thrown up 72 3s in 16 games.

[John Gleich]

I laughed when you said he's an excellent passer, but alas, he does average 4.7 assists a game. And yes, 59.7% is impressive, but Samuelson has only thrown up 72 3s in 16 games.

Only? That's 4.5 attempts per game.  It isn't like he's just shooting one or two a night.

[iwu70]

I think Q has made a pretty good comparison.   Rose and Raymond pretty well matched, at least in the production categories that would be the basis for any comparison.  One can, of course, talk about other factors -- big game shots, leadership, key wins, conference championships, post-season performances etc.  But they look like the same territory in terms of performance and output to me.

'70