MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[USee]

Sounds like a perfect recruit for North Central. 

[augie77]

On the face of it, a return to North Park seems the logical choice assuming Mr. Robinson wishes to resume his playing career.  Is this not a viable option for some reason?

[markerickson]

IF JR did not earn a sufficient amount of credits during 16-17, the problem would have arisen in spring 2017 after the season ended when grades got issued and not the fall semester, right?

IF JR attended a JUCO during 17-18, he would not have needed to be a full-time student.

I do not know if calling EC "outstanding" was sarcastic, but I remind you this is the institution that recently violated NCAA regulations over several years by at least two teams.  The EC wrestling and football pages note that various results over a four and three year period have been vacated, respectively.  (This means NPU won four conference games in 2013, which may be the most since 1968.)

I very seriously doubt NPU used an ineligible JR as implied.

[AndOne]

IF JR did not earn a sufficient amount of credits during 16-17, the problem would have arisen in spring 2017 after the season ended when grades got issued and not the fall semester, right?

IF JR attended a JUCO during 17-18, he would not have needed to be a full-time student.

I do not know if calling EC "outstanding" was sarcastic, but I remind you this is the institution that recently violated NCAA regulations over several years by at least two teams.  The EC wrestling and football pages note that various results over a four and three year period have been vacated, respectively.  (This means NPU won four conference games in 2013, which may be the most since 1968.)

I very seriously doubt NPU used an ineligible JR as implied.

Mark,

First of all, I see no implication whatsoever that NPU played, as you term it, " an ineligible JR." Such was certainly not my intent.
Others may interpret things differently, but my understanding was/is that as of the the conclusion of the 2016-2017 school year, he hadn't made satisfactory academic progress in that he hadn't earned whatever number of credit hours (90?) that NPU requires after 3 full time years of study. Thus he was not eligible to return to NPU last year as either a student, which of course would also preclude athletic competition. Again, this was as of the end of the 2016-17 school year. As you said, the problem arose in the spring, NOT at the end of the first semester. So, unless I'm very confused, JR was certainly fully eligible for every game he ever played at NPU, and I don't believe I ever implied otherwise. I just don't believe NPU would knowingly allow an ineligible player to participate.

With regard to the possibility of re-admission, and regaining eligibility, And moving beyond the end of the 2016-2017 school year, I was advised that during the summer of 2017, he took 3 classes, but did not earn any credits. I have no way of knowing if that was truly case. But, let's say that information is correct. Let's also say that he earned 9 credit hours last summer. Even if so, would that have given him enough credit hours to return to school, and basketball this past school year/season?
Also, if he did not attend any school full time this past school year, it's very difficult to see how he could have earned all the credit hours he needed, unless he was pretty close to that number as of the conclusion of 2026-2017, which I don't believe was the case. And remember, he allegedly didn't pick up any hours in summer 2017 which, if he had, might have allowed him to attend on a less than full time basis in 2017-2018. Lastly, often times, not all credits earned at a JUCO will transfer/be accepted by a four year institution.

Now, concerning Elmhurst. NO, I was NOT being sarcastic when I referred to Elmhurst College as being "outstanding." I was thinking along academic lines when I said that, and I fully meant it. I don't know anything about any difficulties the EC wrestling or football team may have had. My thinking centered on the fact that I'm aware that US News & World Report 2018 College rankings ranks Elmhurst #11 in the Regional Universities, Midwest category. And I think Number 11 in a seven or eight state area is pretty "outstanding." 

[AndOne]

On the face of it, a return to North Park seems the logical choice assuming Mr. Robinson wishes to resume his playing career.  Is this not a viable option for some reason?

Augie77,

When I first heard of the possibility, my first thought was also that NPU was the logical choice! I was surprised when I heard otherwise.
However, as partially delineated above, it's difficult to see how he has earned enough credits to be re-admitted to NPU-or to just about any other D3 for that matter.
But, we'll eventually see how things shake out. 🔮
I guess anything is possible. 🤗

[Pat Coleman]

The EC wrestling and football pages note that various results over a four and three year period have been vacated, respectively.  (This means NPU won four conference games in 2013, which may be the most since 1968.)

That's not what vacating is.

[badgerwarhawk]

I don't know any specifics about JR's situation and Greg understandably hasn't said anything but I'm getting the impression he might be better served if he were to concentrate on his education and a tad less on hoops.

If I'm not mistaken "vacating" doesn't give opponents a win.  It simply takes a win away from the offending team.  It does nothing for an opponents W/L line. 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Correct... vacating takes wins away from the offending team. It also takes stats away from individuals or altogether (depending on the situation) on the offending team. It does NOTHING for the opponent. Results and stats remain the same for the opponent.

Forfeit is a different topic altogether.

[AndOne]

As we all know, not every recruit can be classified as an "elite" player.
How then, can seemingly every kid who goes to some kind of camp always be going to nothing but an ELITE camp? 

Shorty Shooter will attend the Unaccredited University ELITE camp next week.

Seems like lots of BS is being spread—both by the schools running the camps, and all the services promoting their multitudes of nothing but "elite" players. 🤥
Barf! 🤮

[iwumichigander]

As we all know, not every recruit can be classified as an "elite" player.
How then, can seemingly every kid who goes to some kind of camp always be going to nothing but an ELITE camp? 

Shorty Shooter will attend the Unaccredited University ELITE camp next week.

Seems like lots of BS is being spread—both by the schools running the camps, and all the services promoting their multitudes of nothing but "elite" players. 🤥
Barf! 🤮

somenody has to feed the egos of the participants and the parents shelling out the big bucks.  Would you want to lay out big bucks for a basketball camp or an Everyone Gets A Trophy Camp

[markerickson]

I coached a lot of Little League and Pony baseball over the years.  In my very small universe, I saw one kid who played up and easily threw much faster than any other kid I witnessed.  If any kid had a chance to reach lofty heights, he did.  And, he was the son of a Super Bowl ring-bearing Bear.  The kid did not even play baseball in HS as he concentrated on hoops.  I had a co-worker tell me her 8th grade daughter was on track to get an athletic scholarship to play soccer at Stanford.  The kid never played HS soccer, but did play a couple of games in fours years at a D3 school.  I had another co-worker claim that her son was on track to play in the MLB.  The kid ended up being a reserve on a subpar HS team. 

I'll take three CCIW football conference victories by NPU any year!

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

When I lived in South Jersey I had this guy in my church whose son was on a travel baseball team - he always talked about one of his sons teammates, said he was headed for greatness.  The guy couldn't talk this kid up enough.  Kid's name is Mike Trout.

[markerickson]

Mike Trout is the best player in the MLB right now.  I would have loved to see him dominate as a teen.  Same thing with Chris Sale and, getting back to basketball, Pete Marovich.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Using the term "elite" is like saying "AAU" or "team" sports.

Term just thrown around to make it look and sound cool.

[AndOne]

Using the term "elite" is like saying "AAU" or "team" sports.

Term just thrown around to make it look and sound cool.

As iwumichigander referenced—a term used by various schools and recruiting services to make parents feel like the big bucks they shell out is worth it, and to make the kids they represent feel like they're better than kids handled by other services. 🤑