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Gregory Sager

Former Vikings assistant coach Joe Fano brings his St. Mary's (MN) Cardinals to the crackerbox this afternoon, and it should be an interesting showdown. The Cardinals are no longer the patsy that they've been for so many years, as they sport an overall record of 5-4 and a respectable 2-3 MIAC mark. Their 6'7 sophomore forward Eli Cave looks like the real deal: 21.2. ppg, 7.6 rpg. As a team. the Cardinals shoot a brisk .372 from behind the arc while limiting opponents to only .245.

This is likely not going to be the walkover that Dominican was.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

USee

Quote from: iwu70 on December 28, 2018, 11:45:04 PM
Great game in CA:

#4 Whitman 105 IWU 103

For IWU:
Rose 25
Bonnett 17
Gregoire 11 and 6
Wallen 12 and 5
Leritz 11 and 5 
Wolfe 9 assists -- really helped break the pressure

IWU FTs 9-16.  IWU shoots 61% from the field, 52% from trey, and loses

For WC:

Stewart 29  5-8 from trey
Duckett 17
Hewitt 15
Butler 12 and 11
Osborne 12

As I surmised, WC got to shoot 35 FTs!!  making 29 -- the difference in the game.  They also had 13 steals, most early on.

One of the best D3 games you will see -- two highly talented teams.  Congrats to Whitman -- one basket (and a lot of free throws) better than my Titans tonight. 

IWU'70

I watched the last 5 minutes of the game and have a few thoughts. First, IWU70, the box score says IWU was called for 24 fouls and Whitman 20. Hardly much of a discrepancy. Interestingly, though, that Whitman shot 35 FT (IWU shot 16) which means almost all of the fouls resulted in foul shots. I didn't see the whole game so I can't opine on why that is, perhaps Whitman was more aggressive going to the basket?

The difference in the game was very small give the 2 pt margin of victory and these two teams seem very even, albeit very different in style. IWU shooting 56% from the Free Throw line (for a team that averages about 70%) can be as much to blame as anything in a tight game.

Finally, I thought Bonnet was pretty clearly fouled on the final play and there was no call. The refs seemed to let a lot of things go in the 5 min I watched, which is also surprising since there was 44 fouls called in the game and both teams were in the double bonus down the stretch. But the final play looked like a lot more than incidental contact, though they didn't show a replay so I couldn't confirm what I thought I saw.

Great game.

Titan Q


GoPerry

Quote from: Titan Q on December 29, 2018, 11:44:28 AM
https://portal.stretchinternet.com/clu/portal.htm?eventId=497513&streamType=video

The final play is at 2:27:45.

It seemed like there was a lot of contact.

Ron Rose and IWU bench had the best look and given their lack of any protest at all, Bonnett might have just lost control of the ball somehow. 

In any case, a great game.  From 7:00 mins on, with both teams at 10 fouls, you knew it was going to be a march to the line and FT contest.  Seems that Whit took advantage of that a little more.

Gregory Sager

Quote from: USee on December 29, 2018, 11:38:28 AM
Quote from: iwu70 on December 28, 2018, 11:45:04 PM
Great game in CA:

#4 Whitman 105 IWU 103

For IWU:
Rose 25
Bonnett 17
Gregoire 11 and 6
Wallen 12 and 5
Leritz 11 and 5 
Wolfe 9 assists -- really helped break the pressure

IWU FTs 9-16.  IWU shoots 61% from the field, 52% from trey, and loses

For WC:

Stewart 29  5-8 from trey
Duckett 17
Hewitt 15
Butler 12 and 11
Osborne 12

As I surmised, WC got to shoot 35 FTs!!  making 29 -- the difference in the game.  They also had 13 steals, most early on.

One of the best D3 games you will see -- two highly talented teams.  Congrats to Whitman -- one basket (and a lot of free throws) better than my Titans tonight. 

IWU'70

I watched the last 5 minutes of the game and have a few thoughts. First, IWU70, the box score says IWU was called for 24 fouls and Whitman 20. Hardly much of a discrepancy. Interestingly, though, that Whitman shot 35 FT (IWU shot 16) which means almost all of the fouls resulted in foul shots. I didn't see the whole game so I can't opine on why that is, perhaps Whitman was more aggressive going to the basket?

Whitman was more aggressive going to the basket, as one would expect of a team with that much quickness, and the Titans were beaten by dribble penetration with regularity. There's no cause for a complaint about the FT discrepancy.

Quote from: USee on December 29, 2018, 11:38:28 AMThe difference in the game was very small give the 2 pt margin of victory and these two teams seem very even, albeit very different in style. IWU shooting 56% from the Free Throw line (for a team that averages about 70%) can be as much to blame as anything in a tight game.

Yep.

Quote from: USee on December 29, 2018, 11:38:28 AMFinally, I thought Bonnet was pretty clearly fouled on the final play and there was no call. The refs seemed to let a lot of things go in the 5 min I watched, which is also surprising since there was 44 fouls called in the game and both teams were in the double bonus down the stretch. But the final play looked like a lot more than incidental contact, though they didn't show a replay so I couldn't confirm what I thought I saw.

Quote from: Titan Q on December 29, 2018, 11:44:28 AM
https://portal.stretchinternet.com/clu/portal.htm?eventId=497513&streamType=video

The final play is at 2:27:45.

It seemed like there was a lot of contact.

Quote from: GoPerry on December 29, 2018, 12:16:24 PM
Ron Rose and IWU bench had the best look and given their lack of any protest at all, Bonnett might have just lost control of the ball somehow.

Bonnett protested, but only for a few seconds.

The angle of the camera and its distance from the play hardly lends itself to anything definitive, as far as the viewer being able to ascertain a foul or not is concerned. But what nobody's mentioned yet is that the baseline official was standing right there, no more than five feet away from Bonnett and the defender who contested the shot (Andrew Vickers). Not only was he right on top of the play, he had the perfect side angle to see whether or not there was contact.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

WUPHF

Bad joke alert!

Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 29, 2018, 03:49:16 PM
The angle of the camera and its distance from the play hardly lends itself to anything definitive, as far as the viewer being able to ascertain a foul or not is concerned.

And, no opinion from the announcer one way or the other, so...

AndOne

Quote from: GoPerry on December 29, 2018, 12:16:24 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on December 29, 2018, 11:44:28 AM
https://portal.stretchinternet.com/clu/portal.htm?eventId=497513&streamType=video

The final play is at 2:27:45.

It seemed like there was a lot of contact.

Ron Rose and IWU bench had the best look and given their lack of any protest at all, Bonnett might have just lost control of the ball somehow. 

In any case, a great game.  From 7:00 mins on, with both teams at 10 fouls, you knew it was going to be a march to the line and FT contest.  Seems that Whit took advantage of that a little more.

1. First question I would have is were there any fouls against Whit earlier that weren't called that, if they had been, may have given Whit a bigger lead as the game wound down, and which may have rendered the Bonnett play moot?

2. If Bonnett was fouled and Rose truly didn't complain, why not? When any game is on the line and the coach whose team is behind thinks there was even the slightest chance one of his players was fouled, he is going to not only protest, but he is going to SCREAM!

3. And, you have to remember there is a team out there somewhere that doesn't foul because as their coach says "they don't know how to foul because I don't teach fouling in practice." 🤔 🙃 😏

Gregory Sager

St. Mary's (MN) 76
North Park 67

Matt Szuba: 17 pts (5-6 trey), 12 rebs
Jake Ellis: 16 pts (5-8 trey)
Toby Marek: 12 pts
Izaiah Sanders: 8 rebs
Kindrel Morris: 5:2 a:to

Hard to come back from a 16-point halftime deficit unless you can get stops, and NPU just doesn't play defense well enough to get stops when it truly needs them. The Vikings got as close as six a couple of times in the waning moments, but it wasn't enough. NPU shot a really strong 12-22 (.545) from beyond the arc, but only 24-65 (.369) from the field, as the Vikings missed a bushelful of bunnies, layups, and tip-in attempts this afternoon. They took 19 more FG attempts and two more FT attempts than did the Cardinals, and they still ended up on the short end of the scoreboard. That's what happens when your opponent shoots over 60% from the field.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

voxelmhurst

Elmhurst beats UW-La Crosse 76-71 in championship game of Desert Classic. I could not catch all of it nor can I find stats. Rhode huge down the stretch for Elmhurst culminating with a cool 8 foot jumper which made it a 2 possession game and gave Elmhurst a lead they would hold onto. He also drew 2 shooting fouls on three point shots which were lamented loud and clear over the stream by the travelling La Crosse fans. In fact, there seemed to me whistles at both ends of the floor every possession late in the second half. Another good win for EC who is now 8-4 and 6-1 in their last 7.

Gregory Sager

Carroll played some seriopus basketball this afternoon at the Randolph-Macon tourney in edging TGHIJGSTO!!! -- I mean Stockton -- by a score of 71-69. Nick Penny had 15 points and Tarren Hall had 12 for the Pioneers.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

markerickson

I do not think I have watched a worse half of ball by NPU...ummm...ever.  When the visitors led 8-5, NPU had missed more shots from two feet than points scored.  In one sequence, after missing the easy short-short shot, they scrapped to get three offensive rebounds and missed all three put-backs.  With a minute to go in the first half the Vikings had a grand total of 20 points while being almost doubled by the Minnesotans.  St. Mary's shot 10-15 from trey land in the first half - most were open looks.  NPU had only two players who were prepared to shoot.  To punctuate the futility of the first half, a Cardinal player averaging 1.1 ppg hit a trey at the buzzer.

Trey percentage flipped in the second half, but the home team had dug too much of a hole.

Once a metalhead, always a metalhead.  Matthew 5:13.

USee

Quote from: AndOne on December 29, 2018, 04:04:02 PM

2. If Bonnett was fouled and Rose truly didn't complain, why not? When any game is on the line and the coach whose team is behind thinks there was even the slightest chance one of his players was fouled, he is going to not only protest, but he is going to SCREAM!


If you watch the end of the game Ron Rose is not in the handshake line as you can see him coming from off the floor quite late in the area of the officials. I'm pretty sure he wasn't happy with the officiating down the stretch. Separately, I thought the second to last play for IWU was an obvious shooting foul with the guy driving the lane and the ball going out of bounds off Whitman, no call there either.

Gregory Sager

Wheaton falls to Illinois Tech down on the South Side, 75-72. It was quite a battle between superstar guards Aston Francis and Anthony Mosley, Jr.; Francis nearly had a triple-double, ending with a 34-10-8 line, while Mosley had a fine game of his own for the Scarlet Hawks with 21-5-9. Wheaton also got 10 points from Anajuwon Spencer, while Luke Peters had eight boards and four assists. Wheaton's been a great FT shooting team this year (77% as a team), but the boys from DuPage County only shot 14-23 (61%) tonight. Two especially tough misses were a blown front end of a one-and-one by Peters with a minute to go and a miss by Francis in the waning seconds with WC down three.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

Gregory Sager

Augustana prevailed over Wash U at Carver, 77-63. It was really a broadcast of The Nolan Ebel Show tonight in Rock Island, as he had 27 points. Chrisawn Orange contributed 18, Pierson Wofford had 11, and Micah Martin had a 10 and 7 night, while Donovan Ferguson owned the glass with ten boards. Augie held the Bears to 2-14 shooting from downtown, and won the battle of the boards by 14.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

augiefan

Augie's win tonight was number 400 at Augie for Coach G. Quite an accomplishment in a conference as competitive as the CCIW. Lots of sports coats tossed in reaching that plateau. Congrats Coach!