MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[lmitzel]

Video of Mike Pollack's game-winner last night.

That shot was for the team and his teammates.
But, it was partially for the Millikin baseball team who, with virtually the whole gym available, choose to sit immediately behind the North Central bench and yell at the Cardinal players throughout the game, and especially to disrupt things and prevent the NCC coaches from being heard during timeouts.

They can be seen right behind the NCC bench in the video.
How'd that strategy turn out boys?      

I'd love to call it an Eff You Three, but I feel like he was on the wrong wing for that. I went back and watched the broadcast today, and heard the Millikin announcers talk about how the baseball team was back there. Always nice to shut home fans up like that though.

I think one of the more underrated parts of the video was watching a couple fans and one of the Millikin players try to wave it off, even though it was pretty clear Pollack got it off in time.

[voxelmhurst]

Video of Mike Pollack's game-winner last night.

That shot was for the team and his teammates.
But, it was partially for the Millikin baseball team who, with virtually the whole gym available, choose to sit immediately behind the North Central bench and yell at the Cardinal players throughout the game, and especially to disrupt things and prevent the NCC coaches from being heard during timeouts.

They can be seen right behind the NCC bench in the video.
How'd that strategy turn out boys?      

I'd love to call it an Eff You Three, but I feel like he was on the wrong wing for that. I went back and watched the broadcast today, and heard the Millikin announcers talk about how the baseball team was back there. Always nice to shut home fans up like that though.

I think one of the more underrated parts of the video was watching a couple fans and one of the Millikin players try to wave it off, even though it was pretty clear Pollack got it off in time.

I remember certain Carthage fans dressed in hunter orange doing this at Fanagel during the 90s. This was when I was a kid before ever attending EC. Can't remember if this was a trend or one time deal but much like last night, their plan backfired and they had to stand there and take a razzing from the Jays players who they'd been taunting all game from just a few feet away.

I'm curious how Coach Scherer felt about this. Given that he once shut down a situationally inappropriate chant of "overrated" from his own student section at EC some 10 odd years ago, I imagine that it was important to him that a degree of integrity was maintained here?

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I'm late getting to this, but I was watching the game live and it sure seemed like a clear and obvious charge call.  Yes, one refs sometimes let go in that situation, but it sure seemed like the ball-handler committed to the contact well ahead of time.  Often, I think, the clear pre-meditation creates the whistle when a less overt (or better disguised) version of the same thing wouldn't be called.

[Smitty Oom]

I'm late getting to this, but I was watching the game live and it sure seemed like a clear and obvious charge call.  Yes, one refs sometimes let go in that situation, but it sure seemed like the ball-handler committed to the contact well ahead of time.  Often, I think, the clear pre-meditation creates the whistle when a less overt (or better disguised) version of the same thing wouldn't be called.

Since Ryan brought it back up... I agree. I think that the defender had established legal guarding position and was set (not moving away or toward the ball handler) before the Elmhurst player left the ground.

I can understand why the Elmhurst coach was upset, very close game against a great team, but I think he should be suspended for a game. The jacket throw toward the ref was just too much in my eyes.

[Gregory Sager]

I remember certain Carthage fans dressed in hunter orange doing this at Fanagel during the 90s. This was when I was a kid before ever attending EC. Can't remember if this was a trend or one time deal but much like last night, their plan backfired and they had to stand there and take a razzing from the Jays players who they'd been taunting all game from just a few feet away.

Ah, yes, the Deer Stand. They were a bunch of guys who dressed in blaze orange and brought hunting gear to Carthage games. Once they put a dead squirrel on a string and dragged it around the perimeter of the Carthage court. The Deer Stand guys were only mildly amusing, at best, but they were the source of a lot of CCIW fan chatter, because Carthage had had such a dead crowd for so long in what was a tomb of a gymnasium prior to the Tarble-financed refit (K-Mark jokingly refers to the pre-Tarble gym as having "cocktail lounge lighting") that it seemed remarkable that any Carthage supporters would go to all the trouble of organizing their own fan section. In retrospect, though, they were the forerunners of a true revival in the Carthage fanbase -- although the revival had a lot more to do with the talent that newly-hired Bosko Djurickovic brought in at the end of the '90s than it did with the allure of the Deer Stand.

I'm curious how Coach Scherer felt about this. Given that he once shut down a situationally inappropriate chant of "overrated" from his own student section at EC some 10 odd years ago, I imagine that it was important to him that a degree of integrity was maintained here?

Probably, although at the same time it's been my observation that the Millikin fanbase has barely had a pulse for a long time now. He might be wary of trying to suppress any enthusiasm directed on behalf of his program. The other thing is that, if this was taking place behind the NCC bench, he might not even have been aware of it.

[WUPHF]

I think we may be due for the dead horse GIF, but I'll say, I do not think anyone is debating whether or not the player had established a legal guarding position, I think it is a question of the contact.

[Gregory Sager]

Over on the Pool C board, fantastic50 has just posted his current estimate of where teams stand in terms of the tournament. (He's factored in results versus regionally-ranked opponents, so he's probably assembled what he believes the regional rankings would be if they were released today.) He's grouped them into five categories: Already in, barring a monumental collapse (five teams), In solid position (13 teams), Bubble-in (14 teams), Bubble out (16 teams), and Lots of work to do (16 teams).

Augie is the fourth team listed among the five in Already in, barring a monumental collapse. Wheaton is 12th among the 14 teams listed in Bubble-in. North Central is fifth among the 16 teams listed in Bubble out.

[79jaybird]

vox-  That was called "The Deerstand".  Yes I was a part of the anti-Deerstanders from '98-'02.  We were pretty reckless and immature but it was a civil rivalry.   30-40 or so Carthage Redmen who would stand near the top of the stands to jaw back and forth with us.

Scherrer was not a big fan of disobedient and ruthless fans.  He enjoyed the student support and would meet us outside of (then PEC) RA Faganel Hall as their bus returned to campus- to greet us.  However, he wanted fans to be respectful and civil. 

[79jaybird]

1998 or 1999 (?)  we took a little fan bus up to Carthage.  30 of us Jays having some "suds" on the way up I-94.  Ryan Knuppel took control of the game in the 2nd half and we upset a very good Carthage team on their home court.  We were jawing back & forth the whole game with the Deerstand.  You could tell it was an emotional game.   After the game we were on HWY E. and had to make a pit stop for some "supplies" on the road home.  Great memories.   

[voxelmhurst]

vox-  That was called "The Deerstand".  Yes I was a part of the anti-Deerstanders from '98-'02.  We were pretty reckless and immature but it was a civil rivalry.   30-40 or so Carthage Redmen who would stand near the top of the stands to jaw back and forth with us.

Scherrer was not a big fan of disobedient and ruthless fans.  He enjoyed the student support and would meet us outside of (then PEC) RA Faganel Hall as their bus returned to campus- to greet us.  However, he wanted fans to be respectful and civil.

I could appreciate the Carthage fans adding a very Wisconsin element to the rivalry, even if I wanted to see their team get beat.

1998 or 1999 (?)  we took a little fan bus up to Carthage.  30 of us Jays having some "suds" on the way up I-94.  Ryan Knuppel took control of the game in the 2nd half and we upset a very good Carthage team on their home court.  We were jawing back & forth the whole game with the Deerstand.  You could tell it was an emotional game.   After the game we were on HWY E. and had to make a pit stop for some "supplies" on the road home.  Great memories.   

Curious to know what you think of Rhode thus far compared to great EC players of yore.

[Marmac]

Over on the Pool C board, fantastic50 has just posted his current estimate of where teams stand in terms of the tournament. (He's factored in results versus regionally-ranked opponents, so he's probably assembled what he believes the regional rankings would be if they were released today.) He's grouped them into five categories: Already in, barring a monumental collapse (five teams), In solid position (13 teams), Bubble-in (14 teams), Bubble out (16 teams), and Lots of work to do (16 teams).

Augie is the fourth team listed among the five in Already in, barring a monumental collapse. Wheaton is 12th among the 14 teams listed in Bubble-in. North Central is fifth among the 16 teams listed in Bubble out.

Based on their current résumés, North Central should be regionally ranked ahead of Wheaton.

[Gregory Sager]

Over on the Pool C board, fantastic50 has just posted his current estimate of where teams stand in terms of the tournament. (He's factored in results versus regionally-ranked opponents, so he's probably assembled what he believes the regional rankings would be if they were released today.) He's grouped them into five categories: Already in, barring a monumental collapse (five teams), In solid position (13 teams), Bubble-in (14 teams), Bubble out (16 teams), and Lots of work to do (16 teams).

Augie is the fourth team listed among the five in Already in, barring a monumental collapse. Wheaton is 12th among the 14 teams listed in Bubble-in. North Central is fifth among the 16 teams listed in Bubble out.

Based on their current résumés, North Central should be regionally ranked ahead of Wheaton.

Based upon his projections, that are in turn based upon their current résumés, fantastic50 believes that Wheaton will be regionally ranked ahead of North Central when the final ranking is done.

[79jaybird]

vox- Carthage was the main rival (if you asked most of the athletes) at the time for football, basketball, and baseball.  Granted that was say 1996-2004 range. 

I was even asked one time by a Carthage fan, dressed in orange, antlers, and a kilt,  "Doesn't your school have some school spirit and get into the game?"  And it made me think that Elmhurst (at the time) didn't really have a lot of props and identity.  many MANY of the EC community were fair weather fans, and surprisingly didn't seem them until the post season. 

Rohde?  I am super impressed.  This kid has all the tools.  IMO he is right up there with the Knuppels, Martins, yourself (though different type of player).  He is a leader and is only going to get better.   2000-2001 the CCIW champ year,  EC had depth and great players all around (Knup, Pippin, Borgman, Houlder) and many other reserves that would be first string on other team's rosters.   It wasn't all on Knuppel's shoulders, though he had the capacity to do so.

[AndOne]

Over on the Pool C board, fantastic50 has just posted his current estimate of where teams stand in terms of the tournament. (He's factored in results versus regionally-ranked opponents, so he's probably assembled what he believes the regional rankings would be if they were released today.) He's grouped them into five categories: Already in, barring a monumental collapse (five teams), In solid position (13 teams), Bubble-in (14 teams), Bubble out (16 teams), and Lots of work to do (16 teams).

Augie is the fourth team listed among the five in Already in, barring a monumental collapse. Wheaton is 12th among the 14 teams listed in Bubble-in. North Central is fifth among the 16 teams listed in Bubble out.

Based on their current résumés, North Central should be regionally ranked ahead of Wheaton.

Considering Wheaton has won 14 games compared to North Central's 16, one of which is a victory over Wheaton, this makes perfect sense. 😝

[Marmac]

Over on the Pool C board, fantastic50 has just posted his current estimate of where teams stand in terms of the tournament. (He's factored in results versus regionally-ranked opponents, so he's probably assembled what he believes the regional rankings would be if they were released today.) He's grouped them into five categories: Already in, barring a monumental collapse (five teams), In solid position (13 teams), Bubble-in (14 teams), Bubble out (16 teams), and Lots of work to do (16 teams).

Augie is the fourth team listed among the five in Already in, barring a monumental collapse. Wheaton is 12th among the 14 teams listed in Bubble-in. North Central is fifth among the 16 teams listed in Bubble out.

Based on their current résumés, North Central should be regionally ranked ahead of Wheaton.

Based upon his projections, that are in turn based upon their current résumés, fantastic50 believes that Wheaton will be regionally ranked ahead of North Central when the final ranking is done.

fantastic50's post includes no details about the data he used to rank teams. He must have weighed SOS very heavily and given minimal consideration to overall record, conference record, and head-to-head results.