MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Marmac]

Over on the Pool C board, fantastic50 has just posted his current estimate of where teams stand in terms of the tournament. (He's factored in results versus regionally-ranked opponents, so he's probably assembled what he believes the regional rankings would be if they were released today.) He's grouped them into five categories: Already in, barring a monumental collapse (five teams), In solid position (13 teams), Bubble-in (14 teams), Bubble out (16 teams), and Lots of work to do (16 teams).

Augie is the fourth team listed among the five in Already in, barring a monumental collapse. Wheaton is 12th among the 14 teams listed in Bubble-in. North Central is fifth among the 16 teams listed in Bubble out.

Based on their current résumés, North Central should be regionally ranked ahead of Wheaton.

Considering Wheaton has won 14 games compared to North Central's 16, one of which is a victory over Wheaton, this makes perfect sense. 😝

North Central has 6 regular season games left plus the conference tourney. If they win 4 more games, I think they're definitely in. If they win 3, they'll be on the bubble. Last season they got an at-large bid with an 18-8 record. If they go 3-4 the rest of the way, they'll finish 19-7.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Remember, there is SOS, results versus regionally ranked opponent (vRRO), common opponents, etc., etc., etc.

Overall record will have a better seat at the table and 19-7 ain't bad ... but it just isn't that simple.

I am not saying who is or isn't going to be in the tournament right now. Just my usual note of caution when trying to figure things out right now.

It's complicated LOL

[Gregory Sager]

Over on the Pool C board, fantastic50 has just posted his current estimate of where teams stand in terms of the tournament. (He's factored in results versus regionally-ranked opponents, so he's probably assembled what he believes the regional rankings would be if they were released today.) He's grouped them into five categories: Already in, barring a monumental collapse (five teams), In solid position (13 teams), Bubble-in (14 teams), Bubble out (16 teams), and Lots of work to do (16 teams).

Augie is the fourth team listed among the five in Already in, barring a monumental collapse. Wheaton is 12th among the 14 teams listed in Bubble-in. North Central is fifth among the 16 teams listed in Bubble out.

Based on their current résumés, North Central should be regionally ranked ahead of Wheaton.

Based upon his projections, that are in turn based upon their current résumés, fantastic50 believes that Wheaton will be regionally ranked ahead of North Central when the final ranking is done.

fantastic50's post includes no details about the data he used to rank teams. He must have weighed SOS very heavily and given minimal consideration to overall record, conference record, and head-to-head results.

Over on the Pool C board, fantastic50 has just posted his current estimate of where teams stand in terms of the tournament. (He's factored in results versus regionally-ranked opponents, so he's probably assembled what he believes the regional rankings would be if they were released today.) He's grouped them into five categories: Already in, barring a monumental collapse (five teams), In solid position (13 teams), Bubble-in (14 teams), Bubble out (16 teams), and Lots of work to do (16 teams).

Augie is the fourth team listed among the five in Already in, barring a monumental collapse. Wheaton is 12th among the 14 teams listed in Bubble-in. North Central is fifth among the 16 teams listed in Bubble out.

Based on their current résumés, North Central should be regionally ranked ahead of Wheaton.

Considering Wheaton has won 14 games compared to North Central's 16, one of which is a victory over Wheaton, this makes perfect sense. 😝

North Central has 6 regular season games left plus the conference tourney. If they win 4 more games, I think they're definitely in. If they win 3, they'll be on the bubble. Last season they got an at-large bid with an 18-8 record. If they go 3-4 the rest of the way, they'll finish 19-7.

You're arguing in a vacuum, as fantastic50 typically doesn't post here. He posted those projections on the Pool C board. I suggest that you follow AndOne's lead and challenge him there if you object to his findings.

All I did was report what he had posted over there.

[Marmac]

Over on the Pool C board, fantastic50 has just posted his current estimate of where teams stand in terms of the tournament. (He's factored in results versus regionally-ranked opponents, so he's probably assembled what he believes the regional rankings would be if they were released today.) He's grouped them into five categories: Already in, barring a monumental collapse (five teams), In solid position (13 teams), Bubble-in (14 teams), Bubble out (16 teams), and Lots of work to do (16 teams).

Augie is the fourth team listed among the five in Already in, barring a monumental collapse. Wheaton is 12th among the 14 teams listed in Bubble-in. North Central is fifth among the 16 teams listed in Bubble out.

Based on their current résumés, North Central should be regionally ranked ahead of Wheaton.

Based upon his projections, that are in turn based upon their current résumés, fantastic50 believes that Wheaton will be regionally ranked ahead of North Central when the final ranking is done.

fantastic50's post includes no details about the data he used to rank teams. He must have weighed SOS very heavily and given minimal consideration to overall record, conference record, and head-to-head results.

Over on the Pool C board, fantastic50 has just posted his current estimate of where teams stand in terms of the tournament. (He's factored in results versus regionally-ranked opponents, so he's probably assembled what he believes the regional rankings would be if they were released today.) He's grouped them into five categories: Already in, barring a monumental collapse (five teams), In solid position (13 teams), Bubble-in (14 teams), Bubble out (16 teams), and Lots of work to do (16 teams).

Augie is the fourth team listed among the five in Already in, barring a monumental collapse. Wheaton is 12th among the 14 teams listed in Bubble-in. North Central is fifth among the 16 teams listed in Bubble out.

Based on their current résumés, North Central should be regionally ranked ahead of Wheaton.

Considering Wheaton has won 14 games compared to North Central's 16, one of which is a victory over Wheaton, this makes perfect sense. 😝

North Central has 6 regular season games left plus the conference tourney. If they win 4 more games, I think they're definitely in. If they win 3, they'll be on the bubble. Last season they got an at-large bid with an 18-8 record. If they go 3-4 the rest of the way, they'll finish 19-7.

You're arguing in a vacuum, as fantastic50 typically doesn't post here. He posted those projections on the Pool C board. I suggest that you follow AndOne's lead and challenge him there if you object to his findings.

All I did was report what he had posted over there.

*You* shared fantastic50's insights and made them relevant to *this* board. I'm not interested in engaging with fantastic50 on the Pool C board, as it doesn't appear he's given the CCIW much thought.

[AndOne]

Remember, there is SOS, results versus regionally ranked opponent (vRRO), common opponents, etc., etc., etc.

Overall record will have a better seat at the table and 19-7 ain't bad ... but it just isn't that simple.

I am not saying who is or isn't going to be in the tournament right now. Just my usual note of caution when trying to figure things out right now.

It's complicated LOL

Wheaton is 14-5. North Central is 16-3 including a win over Wheaton. Both teams have 6 games left.
If NCC goes just 3-3 to get to 19-6, Wheaton would need to win 5 of their last 6 just to tie NCC.
And, if one of those NCC wins comes against Wheaton, it seems that should seal the deal unless head to head means nothing. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Gregory Sager]

*You* shared fantastic50's insights and made them relevant to *this* board. I'm not interested in engaging with fantastic50 on the Pool C board, as it doesn't appear he's given the CCIW much thought.

Fine. I was only trying to stimulate conversation. If this one isn't to your liking, then feel free to start another.

[Gregory Sager]

Massey sez:

Augustana 74, Carroll 58 (AC 93%, CU 7%)
Wheaton 80, Carthage 73 (WC 76%, CC 24%)
Elmhurst 79, Millikin 73 (EC 72%, MU 18%)
North Central 75, North Park 58 (NCC 94%, NPU 6%)

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I'm a little confused why someone doesn't want to engage in the person who compiled the data ... and then questioned what the person did in compiling it and coming up with his choices.

"I disagree and don't like your choices, but I'm not going to talk to you about it. I'm just going to complain to others and wonder why I can't get my questions answered."

SMH

[blue_jays]

I'm a little confused why someone doesn't want to engage in the person who compiled the data ... and then questioned what the person did in compiling it and coming up with his choices.

"I disagree and don't like your choices, but I'm not going to talk to you about it. I'm just going to complain to others and wonder why I can't get my questions answered."

SMH

+1

[duckfan41]

I'm a little confused why someone doesn't want to engage in the person who compiled the data ... and then questioned what the person did in compiling it and coming up with his choices.

"I disagree and don't like your choices, but I'm not going to talk to you about it. I'm just going to complain to others and wonder why I can't get my questions answered."

SMH

👍🏼

[AndOne]

Sager,

Don't forget. When sportcoats fly, so does money. 💸
Offer is still open.
$10.00 if your sportcoat makes it from your broadcast perch to the playing floor Sat. Night! 

[Titan Q]

Illinois Wesleyan (11-8, 4-6) vs Millikin (10-8, 4-6), 7pm...

Titans (11-8, 4-6)
G - Brady Rose, 6-3/185 Sr.  21.6 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 3.9 apg
G - Colin Bonnett, 6-4/190 Sr.  11.2 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 2.6 apg
G - Jason Gregoire, 6-4/205 Sr.  9.7 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 2.5 apg
F - Doug Wallen, 6-5/210 So. 7.2 ppg, 4.1 rpg
F - Danny Baker, 6-6/210 Sr.  2.8 ppg, 3.4 rpg

Big Blue (10-8, 4-6)
G - Levi Laws, 6-0/200 Sr.  3.1 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 2.6 apg
G - Zach Fisher, 6-4/170 Jr.  13.4 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.7 apg
G - Calvin Fisher, 6-6/210 Fr.  11.6 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.4 apg
F - Elijah Henry, 6-7/220 Sr.  14.8 ppg, 8.2 rpg
F - Jordan Cunningham, 6-6/295 Jr.  4.9 ppg, 5.8 rpg


Video/Stats - https://portal.stretchinternet.com/iwu/

WEXG Radio - https://radio.securenetsystems.net/v5/index.cfm?stationCallSign=WWHP

[Titan Q]

Aston Francis leads all of college basketball in ppg...

D3: Aston Francis (Wheaton) 33.1
D2: Amir Hinton (Shaw) 31.8
NAIA II: Justin Martin (Multnomah) 31.0
D1: Chris Clemons (Campbell) 29.0
NAIA I: Chasten King (Jarvis Christian) 25.0

[Titan Q]

Illinois Wesleyan (11-8, 4-6) vs Millikin (10-8, 4-6), 7pm...

Titans (11-8, 4-6)
G - Brady Rose, 6-3/185 Sr.  21.6 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 3.9 apg
G - Colin Bonnett, 6-4/190 Sr.  11.2 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 2.6 apg
G - Jason Gregoire, 6-4/205 Sr.  9.7 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 2.5 apg
F - Doug Wallen, 6-5/210 So. 7.2 ppg, 4.1 rpg
F - Danny Baker, 6-6/210 Sr.  2.8 ppg, 3.4 rpg

Big Blue (10-8, 4-6)
G - Levi Laws, 6-0/200 Sr.  3.1 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 2.6 apg
G - Zach Fisher, 6-4/170 Jr.  13.4 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.7 apg
G - Calvin Fisher, 6-6/210 Fr.  11.6 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.4 apg
F - Elijah Henry, 6-7/220 Sr.  14.8 ppg, 8.2 rpg
F - Jordan Cunningham, 6-6/295 Jr.  4.9 ppg, 5.8 rpg


Video/Stats - https://portal.stretchinternet.com/iwu/

WEXG Radio - https://radio.securenetsystems.net/v5/index.cfm?stationCallSign=WWHP

Sorry, fake news.  Game is Wednesday.

Shows how engaged I am in the season right now!

[augie77]

Sager,

Don't forget. When sportcoats fly, so does money. 💸
Offer is still open.
$10.00 if your sportcoat makes it from your broadcast perch to the playing floor Sat. Night! 

Sager versus AndOne.  That would make for great halftime entertainment!