MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Titan Q]

iwum - 1230!

I DID listen to Scott Trost (as well as Pat Coleman earlier) - a lot of 'coachspeak', of course, but he was more forthcoming than I had anticipated.  I got the definite impression that he would be devastated with anything less than the title - and that he EXPECTS it, unless THEY screw up.  I LIKE that in a coach!

Chuck, I understand you like to overstate things, but having listened to that same radio interview I do not think a reasonable person could have come away with it hearing that, a) Scott Trost would be "devastated with anything less than the title", and that he, "expects it unless they screw up."  Just plain and simple, neither of those things was either said or could be remotely implied.   I have no idea where you come up with this stuff sometimes.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Q, I totally understand your reponse, but I was listening to 'tone' more than content (I don't expect much content from coaches during a tournament). 

If IWU does NOT win it all, and you see Scott Trost soon after, my advice is to duck!  I may well be wrong, but my strong impression is that he feels IWU should win, and that if they don't, they lost, rather than the other team won.  JMO.

BTW, except for a title game against Witt (which I see as a toss-up), I agree with what I believe he believes!

[oldfish]

Just stopped by from the ODAC board to have a look around.  Seems as if you all have a very active board.  

After reading most of the posts on here, it doesn't seem as if the IWU faithful are too concerned about my fish.  I'm also surprised that Pat was so quick to pick IWU.  While I certainly don't have as much info as Pat, I find it hard to believe that it is so easy to dismiss the Marlins.  The Marlins have won 26 straight games, not losing in Dec, Jan, Feb or March.  They have played and won 4 overtime games this season and seen just about every possible offensive strategy used in basketball today.  Just saying that it might not be the easy game that all are saying.

On a side note, I have to be one of the few people with a connection to both VWC and IWU.  I played at VWC but have always rooted for IWU unless they were playing an ODAC school.  Long ago, I played basketball at NCHS with IWU great Chad Hutson (actually I was on JV during his senior year, but you get the picture)  

Go Marlins

[Jim Matson]

Bob, I'm too lazy to look...are you calling the game this weekend?

Also, I can't find the '97 archives on either Wesleyan's site or Wheaton's site.  How did Wheaton do against Wesleyan that year?  I'm looking for a good luck score from the Thunder.

Pat, nice work on the interview.

[Pat Coleman]

After reading most of the posts on here, it doesn't seem as if the IWU faithful are too concerned about my fish.  I'm also surprised that Pat was so quick to pick IWU. 

I don't believe I ever said it was a quick decision. I'm not expecting a blowout, unlike some.

[oldfish]

Pat-

Would it be fair to say that you are not giving VWC much of a chance?

[augiedad]

Just stopped by from the ODAC board to have a look around.  Seems as if you all have a very active board. 

After reading most of the posts on here, it doesn't seem as if the IWU faithful are too concerned about my fish. 

oldfish, what posts by IWU fans are you referring to?  I am not getting that vibe that IWU fans are "not concerned" about VWC.

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[Pat Coleman]

Pat-

Would it be fair to say that you are not giving VWC much of a chance?

I actually don't think it's fair to say that, no. Just because I think someone will win doesn't mean I'm automatically excluding all other possibilities. Not much of a chance to win? I reserve that for York (Pa.) over York (N.Y.), Hope over Wis. Lutheran, and the like.

[Mr. Ypsi]

oldfish,

I don't think anyone is overlooking the Marlins (I KNOW I'm not), but many of us ARE feeling fairly confident.  I've been a continual lurker (and occasional poster) on ODAC, and just don't think VaWes has the match-ups.  I think we have the better front-court AND the better back-court - both man-to-man AND in numbers.  A win by VaWes would not shock me, but it WOULD surprise me.

[augiedad]

Q, I totally understand your reponse, but I was listening to 'tone' more than content (I don't expect much content from coaches during a tournament). 

If IWU does NOT win it all, and you see Scott Trost soon after, my advice is to duck!  I may well be wrong, but my strong impression is that he feels IWU should win, and that if they don't, they lost, rather than the other team won.  JMO.

BTW, except for a title game against Witt (which I see as a toss-up), I agree with what I believe he believes!

The odd thing about your interpretation here Mr. Ypsi, is that my IWU "connections" always suggest that Scott Trost is kind of a worrier - someone who always talks himself into his team being the underdog - a coach that tends to over-prepare even for lesser teams - prone to make "Lou Holtz" type statements and genuinely mean them.  What you read into his radio comments - which obviously no one else did - goes directly against what I have heard his personality is.

[augiedad]

Pat-

Would it be fair to say that you are not giving VWC much of a chance?

I guess one of my pet peaves is when someone puts words into someone's mouth, and I feel like I've seen it a few times here tonight.  Where did Pat Coleman ever suggest that VWC didn't have much of a chance vs IWU??  People making posts like this one, or the one I quoted above, then I go back and look for "the evidence" and it's just not there.

[veterancciwfan]

Hiker: During the 96/97 season, IWU won the conf. with a 13-1 record while Wheaton finished in a 3-way tie with NCC and Elmhurst for 2nd. IWU beat Wheaton at Wheaton in OT in Jan. 1997 before 3,300 fans, 94-90. In Feb. at Shirk before "only" 2,800 (must have been a weekday), IWU won 75-63. The 96-97 Wheaton team was somewhat of a disappointment as it finished 16-9 overall even though it featured 3 of the best players in the league in Rob Hamann (1st-team CCIW), Matt Nadelhoffer (Titan Q's favorite opponent player and 2nd-team CCIW), and Wesley Pitts (3rd-team CCIW). I guess the loss of Nate Frank was too much to overcome.

[Pat Coleman]

I guess one of my pet peaves is when someone puts words into someone's mouth, and I feel like I've seen it a few times here tonight. 

Indeed, I think oldfish has done it twice to me tonight alone. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

Q, I totally understand your reponse, but I was listening to 'tone' more than content (I don't expect much content from coaches during a tournament). 

If IWU does NOT win it all, and you see Scott Trost soon after, my advice is to duck!  I may well be wrong, but my strong impression is that he feels IWU should win, and that if they don't, they lost, rather than the other team won.  JMO.

BTW, except for a title game against Witt (which I see as a toss-up), I agree with what I believe he believes!

The odd thing about your interpretation here Mr. Ypsi, is that my IWU "connections" always suggest that Scott Trost is kind of a worrier - someone who always talks himself into his team being the underdog - a coach that tends to over-prepare even for lesser teams - prone to make "Lou Holtz" type statements and genuinely mean them.  What you read into his radio comments - which obviously no one else did - goes directly against what I have heard his personality is.

Bingo, augiedad - I have read the same about Scott Trost, and did NOT catch that in his interview tonight!  I 'heard' no Lou Holtz regarding Va Wes or a possible Amherst match-up.

He sometimes 'said' it (as a coach must), but I never felt he was REALLY worried about any of the opponents except Witt, and even there, to me, he sounded like IWU SHOULD win.

[Pat Coleman]

I guess one of my pet peaves is when someone puts words into someone's mouth, and I feel like I've seen it a few times here tonight. 

Indeed, I think oldfish has done it twice to me tonight alone. 

Not to quote myself, but I think what it is, is sometimes people just read whatever the hell they want to read and don't bother to read what is actually said. They assume everyone is against them, or they have some sort of chip on their shoulder, etc.