MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[AndOne]

But Veggie Tangen might have been the one I had the most fun with.

This really sounds like a great name for the singer of a 70s/80s California punk band. Though perhaps Jello Biafra was enough.

Veggie Tangen and the Magic Shrooms. 🍄 🤪

Brings back memories of seeing Agent Orange at the Fleetwood in Redondo Beach in the early 80s.  🤯

[Gregory Sager]

But Veggie Tangen might have been the one I had the most fun with.

This really sounds like a great name for the singer of a 70s/80s California punk band. Though perhaps Jello Biafra was enough.

My favorite punk name remains a tie between Cheetah Chrome of the Dead Boys and Captain Sensible of the Damned.

[markerickson]

I like Die Kreuzen of Milwaukee from the early '80s.  A blistering set on a cable access channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPQtOdwy4Lw
Jello sang for a band called Lard with Ministry's mastermind back in the day.

[Titan Q]

Elmhurst recruiting class...

https://elmhurstbluejays.com/news/2019/6/3/mens-basketball-baines-announces-2019-recruiting-class.aspx

[USee]

A favorite CCIW name for me, albeit football, is Wheaton DE River Shindledecker.

[voxelmhurst]

Elmhurst recruiting class...

https://elmhurstbluejays.com/news/2019/6/3/mens-basketball-baines-announces-2019-recruiting-class.aspx

With the graduation of starters Ireland and Marakis, I expect some of these players could get significant minutes right away. Seems like a solid recruiting class and nice to see the team recruiting from many areas.

Also, the '19-20 athletic seasons will be the last in which the Bluejays compete as "Elmhurst College."  After that, they become Elmhurst University.

https://www.elmhurst.edu/news/elmhurst-college-will-become-elmhurst-university-2020/

"E-U" doesn't roll off the tongue as easily as "E-C", but we'll see if any other shorthand monikers develop.

[Gregory Sager]

Ew!

[Gregory Sager]

Seriously, though, since according to the press release Elmhurst has 20 different graduate degrees, and U.S. News and World Report is already classifying the school as a university, this seems like a fairly legit name change.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Ew!

A bizarre response for a graduate of North Park COLLEGE!

(Or was that just a tongue-in-cheek pun to EU?)

[AndOne]

Elmhurst recruiting class...

https://elmhurstbluejays.com/news/2019/6/3/mens-basketball-baines-announces-2019-recruiting-class.aspx

With the graduation of starters Ireland and Marakis, I expect some of these players could get significant minutes right away. Seems like a solid recruiting class and nice to see the team recruiting from many areas.

Also, the '19-20 athletic seasons will be the last in which the Bluejays compete as "Elmhurst College."  After that, they become Elmhurst University.

https://www.elmhurst.edu/news/elmhurst-college-will-become-elmhurst-university-2020/

"E-U" doesn't roll off the tongue as easily as "E-C", but we'll see if any other shorthand monikers develop.

Soon, Elmhurst students can be subject to the (good-natured, of course) taunt, "He couldn't go to college, so he went to Elmhurst." 

Of course there are institutions that don't offer graduate programs that still refer to themselves as a University. 🤥
At least Elmhurst's claim is legit. 😉

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I'm pretty sure university designation has little to do with grad degrees.  I was told it had more to do with the way the academic side is organized: separate schools vs departments.  Not saying I know what I'm talking about, but I've been tangentially involved with a couple schools making the change and that's the answer I've gotten from them every time.  I guess the model makes more sense if you have graduate programs, but I don't think that's a requirement.

[Gregory Sager]

Ew!

A bizarre response for a graduate of North Park COLLEGE!

Every school's different, and that includes the rationale behind name changes. The rapid expansion of graduate programs did play the same role in catalyzing the name change for North Park in the '90s as is the case right now at Elmhurst, but an equally important reason was that the school needed to validate the diplomas of North Park's many international students, especially in Scandinavia and South Korea where the word "college" means something utterly different than it does here in the United States. Some of my fellow NPC graduates were miffed about the name change. I never was, because I worked for North Park at the time and I knew how legitimate the reasons were.

I'm sure that the other current noteworthy example of a school transforming from a "college" into a "university", Calvin, has a unique reason or reasons for doing so as well.

(Or was that just a tongue-in-cheek pun to EU?)

[voxelmhurst]

Every school's different, and that includes the rationale behind name changes. The rapid expansion of graduate programs did play the same role in catalyzing the name change for North Park in the '90s as is the case right now at Elmhurst, but an equally important reason was that the school needed to validate the diplomas of North Park's many international students, especially in Scandinavia and South Korea where the word "college" means something utterly different than it does here in the United States. Some of my fellow NPC graduates were miffed about the name change. I never was, because I worked for North Park at the time and I knew how legitimate the reasons were.

I'm sure that the other current noteworthy example of a school transforming from a "college" into a "university", Calvin, has a unique reason or reasons for doing so as well.

This also means that every arena in the CCIW will need an updated set of school banners. Great day if you're the one people are talking about when they say "I gotta guy...."

[Gregory Sager]

I'm pretty sure university designation has little to do with grad degrees.  I was told it had more to do with the way the academic side is organized: separate schools vs departments.  Not saying I know what I'm talking about, but I've been tangentially involved with a couple schools making the change and that's the answer I've gotten from them every time.  I guess the model makes more sense if you have graduate programs, but I don't think that's a requirement.

I actually think that the graduate-school explanation is the more common one. But in terms of the traditional European model, it is generally recognized that a university contains colleges (or "schools") that have administrative quasi-autonomy and it has graduate-level education. I've even heard some academics insist that a school isn't really a university unless it offers at least one doctoral program as the terminal degree. Here in the U.S., graduate programs are basically the sine qua non of universities; aside from Illinois Wesleyan, I can't think of another institution of higher learning that calls itself a university that doesn't offer graduate education. (Wouldn't surprise me a bit if there were others, though.)

But ... yeah, you're right that the more discrete compartmentalization of the institutional organization chart is an important marker of university status as well.

Of course, the bottom line in the United States is that you can call your school whatever the heck you want to call it.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I'm pretty sure university designation has little to do with grad degrees.  I was told it had more to do with the way the academic side is organized: separate schools vs departments.  Not saying I know what I'm talking about, but I've been tangentially involved with a couple schools making the change and that's the answer I've gotten from them every time.  I guess the model makes more sense if you have graduate programs, but I don't think that's a requirement.

I actually think that the graduate-school explanation is the more common one. But in terms of the traditional European model, it is generally recognized that a university contains colleges (or "schools") that have administrative quasi-autonomy and it has graduate-level education. I've even heard some academics insist that a school isn't really a university unless it offers at least one doctoral program as the terminal degree. Here in the U.S., graduate programs are basically the sine qua non of universities; aside from Illinois Wesleyan, I can't think of another institution of higher learning that calls itself a university that doesn't offer graduate education. (Wouldn't surprise me a bit if there were others, though.)

But ... yeah, you're right that the more discrete compartmentalization of the institutional organization chart is an important marker of university status as well.

Of course, the bottom line in the United States is that you can call your school whatever the heck you want to call it.

I know Eastern Nazarene College went through a phase of exploring it and decided against it because New England appears to be the only place on Earth where "college" has a better reputation than "university."  All the other denominational-affiliated schools made the change now, so we like to say we're "The" Nazarene College, which has a double bonus of upsetting Ohio State fans.