MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[79jaybird]

Oh sheesh! If facility maintenance issues are to blame,  that would really suck for the athletes.   

while the last 10 years or so have seen many nice upgrades with EC facilities,  they do have to contend with aging facilities.  They are also very land locked which doesn't help if/when they were to get a Philanthropist who had some great ideas....

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Oh sheesh! If facility maintenance issues are to blame,  that would really suck for the athletes.   

while the last 10 years or so have seen many nice upgrades with EC facilities,  they do have to contend with aging facilities.  They are also very land locked which doesn't help if/when they were to get a Philanthropist who had some great ideas....

I don't know, being home is convenient, for sure, but I think, if I'm Elmhurst, I like my chances vs Wooster on the road a little better than Oshkosh at home.

[Gregory Sager]

Oh sheesh! If facility maintenance issues are to blame,  that would really suck for the athletes.   

while the last 10 years or so have seen many nice upgrades with EC facilities,  they do have to contend with aging facilities.  They are also very land locked which doesn't help if/when they were to get a Philanthropist who had some great ideas....

I don't know, being home is convenient, for sure, but I think, if I'm Elmhurst, I like my chances vs Wooster on the road a little better than Oshkosh at home.

I certainly agree with that. No offense to Wooster, but I think UWO is a more dangerous potential second-round foe, regardless of venue.

[Titan Q]

Oh sheesh! If facility maintenance issues are to blame,  that would really suck for the athletes.   

while the last 10 years or so have seen many nice upgrades with EC facilities,  they do have to contend with aging facilities.  They are also very land locked which doesn't help if/when they were to get a Philanthropist who had some great ideas....

I don't know, being home is convenient, for sure, but I think, if I'm Elmhurst, I like my chances vs Wooster on the road a little better than Oshkosh at home.

I think I agree with this...even though Elmhurst beat Oshkosh at their place (in a game they led wire to wire).  I don't think Wooster presents nearly the same level of problems that Oshkosh does.

I think UWO is a very good/dangerous team right now.  I could see the Titans getting to Fort Wayne.

[79jaybird]

Agree. It's tough to beat a quality opponent two times in 1 year. 

[Gregory Sager]

 

[markerickson]

I watched the Gophers crumble down the stretch in Bloomington tonight.  The announcer mentioned Gopher big man Daniel Oturu is the only player this year in D1 to average >20ppg and >11 rpg.  I think Jordan Robinson accomplished that feat as he became a first team AA for North Park.  I do not know the D3 landscape, but am wondering if there are D3 players this year who average a double-double.  Thanks in advance.

[Greek Tragedy]

Edit: Actually, I'll narrow it down to 20+ ppg/10+ rpg

There are a lot of double doubles and a lot of 10+ ppg/9+ rpg

Austin Grunder from Cortland - 21.1 ppg/14.7 rpg
Hakeem Animashaun - Salem St - 23.4/12.5
Jamaleddine, Omar - Sarah Lawrence - 21.6/11.2
Wendel,Timothy - Crown) - 24.4/10.3

The Almost Club

Jake Ross - Springfield - 26.3/9.8
Kevin Dennis - Morrisville St - 19.9/11.5
Mike Rapoza - Anna Maria - 19.6/15.5
Jack Casale - St. Joseph ME - 26.0/9.2
Brian Hogan-Gary - J&W RI - 20.1/9.9
Tyler Frederick - La Roche - 19.1/11.4
Jordan Rawls - Allegheny - 19.4/9.3

[Smitty Oom]

I watched the Gophers crumble down the stretch in Bloomington tonight.  The announcer mentioned Gopher big man Daniel Oturu is the only player this year in D1 to average >20ppg and >11 rpg.  I think Jordan Robinson accomplished that feat as he became a first team AA for North Park.  I do not know the D3 landscape, but am wondering if there are D3 players this year who average a double-double.  Thanks in advance.

I know this is not the theme of the post, but this happens every game! Frustrating season...

Back to D3, that Jake Ross stat line is unbelievable. I mean they all are great, but Jake definitely is the PotY front runner going into the tourney, especially with Schimonitz currently injured (no one seems to be sure of his status this weekend).

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Gabe Leifer is averagin 16.7/13.7/6.5 for Yeshiva.  His scoring is down this year, because Turell scores so much.  That was the most impressive stat line I found doing research for the tourney preview.

[Smitty Oom]

Yeah Gabe was top 10 in rebounds AND assists at one point late in the season. I think I remember correctly, but he dropped out of the top 10 assists. Honestly, still pretty incredible. Excited to see what the Macs can do in the NCAA tourney this year!

[Gregory Sager]

Edit: Actually, I'll narrow it down to 20+ ppg/10+ rpg

There are a lot of double doubles and a lot of 10+ ppg/9+ rpg

Austin Grunder from Cortland - 21.1 ppg/14.7 rpg
Hakeem Animashaun - Salem St - 23.4/12.5
Jamaleddine, Omar - Sarah Lawrence - 21.6/11.2
Wendel,Timothy - Crown) - 24.4/10.3

The Almost Club

Jake Ross - Springfield - 26.3/9.8
Kevin Dennis - Morrisville St - 19.9/11.5
Mike Rapoza - Anna Maria - 19.6/15.5
Jack Casale - St. Joseph ME - 26.0/9.2
Brian Hogan-Gary - J&W RI - 20.1/9.9
Tyler Frederick - La Roche - 19.1/11.4
Jordan Rawls - Allegheny - 19.4/9.3

They're all impressive, but, from a national perspective, their achievements are somewhat mitigated by the fact that almost all of them play in lower-level conferences. It's much, much easier for a good-by-anybody's-standards-in-D3 player to statistically dominate the likes of the Skyline, the UMAC, the NEAC, the MASCAC, the GNAC, the PrAc, etc., where the competition isn't very tough. That's why Jake Ross of Springfield and Jordan Rawls of Allegheny stand out to me; Ross plays in the borderline power conference NEWMAC, and Rawls plays in the well-respected NCAC. Of course, that's why Jordan Robinson of NPU stood out in his time as well.

[Smitty Oom]

Edit: Actually, I'll narrow it down to 20+ ppg/10+ rpg

There are a lot of double doubles and a lot of 10+ ppg/9+ rpg

Austin Grunder from Cortland - 21.1 ppg/14.7 rpg
Hakeem Animashaun - Salem St - 23.4/12.5
Jamaleddine, Omar - Sarah Lawrence - 21.6/11.2
Wendel,Timothy - Crown) - 24.4/10.3

The Almost Club

Jake Ross - Springfield - 26.3/9.8
Kevin Dennis - Morrisville St - 19.9/11.5
Mike Rapoza - Anna Maria - 19.6/15.5
Jack Casale - St. Joseph ME - 26.0/9.2
Brian Hogan-Gary - J&W RI - 20.1/9.9
Tyler Frederick - La Roche - 19.1/11.4
Jordan Rawls - Allegheny - 19.4/9.3

They're all impressive, but, from a national perspective, their achievements are somewhat mitigated by the fact that almost all of them play in lower-level conferences. It's much, much easier for a good-by-anybody's-standards-in-D3 player to statistically dominate the likes of the Skyline, the UMAC, the NEAC, the MASCAC, the GNAC, the PrAc, etc., where the competition isn't very tough. That's why Jake Ross of Springfield and Jordan Rawls of Allegheny stand out to me; Ross plays in the borderline power conference NEWMAC, and Rawls plays in the well-respected NCAC. Of course, that's why Jordan Robinson of NPU stood out in his time as well.

And to piggy back off this, which is spot on and why I singled out Ross originally as well, The Pride is one of the best teams in the nation. A lot of those players were great stat lines on average teams in average or below average conferences. Of course Yeshiva is great, but like Greg said Skyline is no where near NEWMAC, who qualified 4 teams to the NCAA tourney. Ross is a tier of his own!

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I'll just say what I've told every the last two seasons: watch Leifer tomorrow, in person, if possible.  I agree Ross is the POY favorite, but Leifer is as much an AA contender as anyone in the nation.

Also (I found out accidentally in a google search today), he apparently got married in January.  We could have two married All-Americans this year if Eric Demers from Gordon also makes the list.

[GU1999]

RE: the discussion regarding the 20/9 guys, and the weight being given to the strong league kids

Although, I certainly acknowledge that playing in a top league may have the effect of  tamping down statistical performance, and playing in a lesser league may have the effect of inflating them, but this can, when and if used in isolation as a separator between dissimilar stat line players, create outcomes which may not be fair to the players from the lesser leagues.  I presume factors which are considered may be league pace of play or the shear statistical dissimilarities between the players, for example.  That said I know very little how many of the awards are determined like d3 all-region teams, etc.

Despite knowing little about how many teams are selected, I can think of at least one example which appeared to be a singular use of stats adjustment for league strength.  The example comes from the league which I watch - the SLIAC.  The SLIAC clearly has an earned reputation as a lesser league.  The player which comes to mind as an example of the league affecting their award status is '17/18 Shea Feehan from Eureka.  As a Jr. in 2017/8 he was a 30.6 ppg and 4.5 rpg guy with a shooting slash of 53.7/44.2/87.4.  Clearly his stats were 1st team all region stats.  I concluded at the time that he was not 1st team worthy was because his stats were being  adjusted for the league he played in.  He was awarded a spot on the second team in the Region.  That is pretty rare air for a SLIAC player and is quite an honor, but I thought he deserved a spot on the first team regardless of league due to his shear dominance and performance.  Shea proved to me just how good he was when he transferred to Evansville for his last year of eligibility and started 21 of 30 games averaging 10ppg in 18/19. It takes a very discerning eye to know that a 6'0" 165 lb kid from the SLIAC would be good enough to be a starter in the MVC.  Certainly those charged with selecting the all-region teams would not have known he was good enough to unseat someone like Williams from Aurora, but this is just an example where I think that the league adjustment may have been a bit too harsh and SF should have been more highly regarded. I get it that it is hard and there is subjectivity in these determinations, but I'll gladly fight a bit for the little guys who I feel are deserving.   

I hope you can find it in your heart to excuse a new guy on this board talking up the SLIAC and Shea Feehan.